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  1. BettyNewbie
    April 9th, 2015 05:13 PM
    I really need to update that. Actually, that wiki is abandoned, and I'm planning to move the info to another wiki but haven't gotten around to all of it. It wasn't wanting to let me change the url and name properly on the old one, and the name Skeetendo Hacks wasn't accurate after Skeetendo didn't really want a hack wiki, and it was mostly going to cover hacks from Mateo and Cartmic. I need to edit the description on the main page before I promote it, since Celadon Mansion merged with PHO a couple years ago, but yeah.
    Yeah, I thought you might want to update that page. It seemed kind of sparse and awkwardly written.

    (BTW, the description on the page leads me to believe that the hack won't have a female PC option. No, it's not a complete deal killer, but I'd honestly prefer to play as "Jackie" instead of "Jack.")

    On the actual topic though, yep, it's a Halloween Hack -- but I'm not going to name it that and I'm going to treat it as a normal hack. I ended up wishing that I had given Christmas a better name, since a lot of people wrote it off as a simple gimmick hack, and the mods wanted to put it in the sideshow section at first because they didn't realize it was a complete overhaul based on the name. Gonna try and market this one better to avoid the gimmic assumptions and any presumed release deadlines that come with it :p
    Yeah, too many people still think that Christmas is just vanilla Gold with snowy tilesets. (The fact that the 2012 version mostly was that doesn't help matters.) The name doesn't really do the hack justice.

    Yep you pretty much nailed it. Although I'm guilty of at least one of those, since Secrets and Rumours has been around for.. umm... over a decade at this point I think. And you can get 2 badges in the current demo. (In my defense, instead of adding length, each demo basically overhauled it to be a lot more accurate than the previous demo, and the demo was about long enough you could play it and kill time during a class).
    Dang, I never knew the hack was that old. Of course, you can be sort of excused for that since GSC hacking just wasn't anywhere near as easy or as advanced as RSE/FRLG hacking. You didn't have a million, easy-to-use editing tools at your disposal.

    But yeah, I initially wrote of Team Rocket Edition 2 because of the name. I was like "Oh great, another ****ty team rocket hack by somoene who wants to be edgy" and... from what I can tell, I was like 8 kinds of wrong about that. But that's just an exception, not the rule.
    I, myself, wrote off Team Rocket Edition 2 because of Team Rocket Edition 1, a generic "play as the bad guy" game with blah graphics and hideous level curves. It's amazing how much they decided to overhaul the game in the sequel.

    On, the flip-side, the vast majority of the millions of FireRed Team Rocket Hacks rarely even go as far as TRE 1 did. Blech.

    Maybe the return of Gen 1 & 2 nostalgia and the hacks to go with it will help bring about a shift in the overall quality of hacks. Maybe. (And if/when I eventually make one of those Gen 3 hacks, I'll try to go for the same feel and quality I strive for in Gen 1 and 2 hacks of course).
    I know I'd love that. RBY/GSC are harder to hack and easier to screw up, so maybe that'll force more people to make some quality stuff. Way too many people can just grab a FireRed ROM, load it into a few programs, click a few buttons, and bingo, out comes a hack.

    Well, I've always assumed it would have only been your starter that followed you, like in Yellow. Having 9 overworlds that can follow you is a lot less space than 251. No idea for real though, it could have been planned to be the way it was in HG/SS, but you never know. Starters-only is how I personally would do it if I was going to.
    That is true, although it's possible that there wasn't any room for even 9 sets of overworlds. Remember that GS were still on GB carts, after all, instead of the larger GBC ones.

    I was a bit disappointed that they didn't have honey trees in HG/SS to be honest, since like you say they were added for realsies in the same gen, and they were clearly planned for Johto originally.
    Seeing as they removed all of the Berry Trees from Johto, despite Gen 2 being the first to introduce Berries, it doesn't surprise me that much. GF has a knack for removing features from remakes for the sake of "nostalgia." At least, HGSS added enough new things to make up for the losses, however. FRLG didn't, which is why they sucked.

    Richie looked more like Red than Ash did at that point, which was weird. It's like if Richie is a parallel universe version of Ash or something.
    Well, Ash and Ritchie are both based on Red, with Ritchie being more of a pallete swap (with him wearing green and yellow as opposed to Red's and Ash's red and blue).

    I honestly never understood what the point of his character was. Oh, wow, another n00b who refuses to evolve most of his Pokémon. He ultimately didn't even win the damn tournament, losing to an even more pointless, faceless, generic Rando. Why couldn't they have just followed the games and had Ash lose to either Lance or Gary, instead?

    If I wrote it, I would almost certainly be basing it on Christmas, and in that story, both the male and female players show up in-game regardless of who you choose and seem to go on similar paths, and Kris is there as well. So it could conceivably follow all 3 of them as the main cast, and occasionally have chapters devoted to each of them to go into things they are doing while the others aren't around.
    Well, of course they'd all be there, but only one of them can be the Champion (and thus, the "true" protagonist).
  2. BettyNewbie
    April 8th, 2015 08:53 PM
    This hack would take place between RBY and GSC, so Team Rocket hasn't returned yet. It would have a lot more focus on ghost and dark types and supernatural elements, but it wouldn't be one of those that tries to go all grimdark creepypasta edgy emo on you. Pretty sure I've mentioned it before though, but not sure.
    It's a Halloween hack, right? Yeah, I've heard of it. Sounds pretty neat.

    Hahaha yeah I was kinda proud of myself when I made up the Dork Raisin nickname :p

    And yep, that's exactly how it goes. Once anyone can do something with minimal effort, you end up with two situations. People with good ideas and less technical know-how can make a good game now, aaaaand people with bad ideas and less technical know-how can make a ****ty game now. And guess which one of those scenarios ended up flooding PC :rolleyes: The hacking scene sure has changed a lot since I first started. Then again, that was a decade ago so a lot has changed everywhere once I stop to think about it.
    Yeah, sadly, PC is cluttered with all sorts of "fanfic hacks," all with terrible, unrealistic stories, horrible spriting, bad gameplay, and loads of glitches. Many also have either mukty fakemon or badly-inserted Gen 4-6 Pokémon. (Yes, I've actually seen people use poor quality screenshots of XY models as "sprites.")

    Bonus points if it's a Team Rocket hack or any other kind of "play as the bad guy" hack. Double bonus points if the female PC has glitched sprites and is referred to as a boy in the game because the hacker was sexist and assumed that nobody would want to play as a girl. Triple bonus points if it's been sitting around incomplete since 2008.

    Yep. One example is an unused... umm.. person value thingy in the code. Telling an event to do something to person 00 makes the player do it, 01 does nothing, and the people events on the map start at 02. What was 01? I'm guessing it was the Pokémon that was originally supposed to follow you. I've heard there is some leftover code dealing with it too, but I'm not sure how much there is and stuff. I know that Honey Trees like DPPt had were originally intended for Gen 2, because there is beta text left in the rom where a person explains to you how to use "SWEET HONEY" and describes putting it on a tree and coming back later to find a Pokemon there.
    Interesting. I'm going to guess that following Pokémon might have been scrapped due to cartridge space. It's one thing to have full, unique following animations for just Pikachu, but all 251 Pokémon? That's definitely stretching the GB/C's capabilities. The DS carts, on the other hand, had far more room, so that's why HGSS could do it.

    I know about the Sweet Honey thing. I'm guessing that's what they were originally going to use the Headbutt trees for before they decided to make Headbutt a field move. Ironic that they never had it in HGSS, especially since they were released in the Generation that Sweet Honey was (re)introduced.

    It could be that they thought it might be boring, and I guess I can see that. But still, if they were going to make him lose anyway like they did, it would be better for Ash as a character to have him face the top trainers in the nation and lose, not lose to some Rando whose only claim to fame is getting 8 badges like everyone else.
    Especially, if it's a Rando who's nothing more than a palette swap of Ash. Or, one who uses a bunch of cheap, "banned" Legendaries.

    Oh, sad day. I'm afarid if I only have the first chapter, it will just get me into it and then not be able to go on since I don't speak Japanese. :/
    I know, such a a bummer. It's a shame that the manga isn't more popular.

    Maybe one of these days I'll end up writing a fanfic again. Maybe a fic based on one of my hacks that expands on the story? Could be fun.
    A hack-based fic could be fun, although the PC's gender could pose a dilemma.
  3. BettyNewbie
    April 7th, 2015 07:09 PM
    Mhm, like what Gen 2 letting you visit Kanto without it being a remake. It would be nice to see how things have changed in the old regions over the years -- or to have a game set in Johto BEFORE GSC, like I'm planning to do for Spirits and Legends. (In that hack, Team Rocket is still presumed to be defeated and aren't the antagonists, but there will be a cameo where you battle at least a couple of trainers who look normal but have the Rocket class, but nobody takes them seriously).
    Oh, a pre-GSC Johto, I'd love that! I know I certainly would've rather seen that in FRLG instead of those boring Orange Island ripoffs. I hate how FRLG completely ignored Johto's existence, as if GSC had never happened.

    That probably explains why Dork Raisin and Snakewood are as popular as they are. xD
    "Dork Raisin," LOL.

    Yeah, that's Sturgeon's Law for 'ya. The GBA games have become so easy to hack that almost anyone can do it, so you end up with some rather questionable stuff, mostly made by kids who want to "adapt" their FF.net archives into a game. They haven't completely left the "Pogeymanz iz 4 babiez" phase, so they think they're being more "mature" by adding in a bunch of violence, sex, and cussing along with their chicken scratch MS Paint sprites.

    On the other hand, the GB/C games are harder to hack, so you see a little more quality, although there are still plenty of bad ones.

    From what I can tell, there is some indication that following Pokémon were planned in GSC and scrapped. The fact that this came back for HG/SS seems to make this suggestion even stronger to me. Maybe one day HG/SS hacking will be to the point we can have our nice yellow remakes we want. In the meantime, I'll keep my eye on the Essentials one.
    Interesting. I always thought that the following Pokémon in HGSS were mostly just a nod to Yellow (like Cerulean Cave's layout) to "make up" for FRLG ignoring the game, but I never knew that this was something possibly planned for GSC. Of course, Yellow was a testing ground for many things that would later be implemented in GSC, such as the Happiness system, so it wouldn't surprise me if following Pokémon was one of them.

    Gamefreak is basically out to screw any E4 member that isn't Cynthia out of any sort of spotlight (and we already know what they wanna do to Cynthia). Can I just like... go back in time real quick and slap them around a little and tell them to do the anime right? *Gets in a DeLorean*
    Game Freak has no involvement with the anime, although it wouldn't surprise me if their own disdain for E4 members was partially influenced by the anime writers'. (And, there obviously had to have been different writers on board during DP, because it still shocks me that the Sinnoh E4 was treated so well on the show. Usually, what happens is that they show one E4 member as a throwaway COTD and completely ignore the rest.)

    It's possible the the anime first opted for a Stadium-style tournament over the E4 challenge is because they thought that the E4 challenge would be "boring," but I think they were just lacking creativity. They already handled the Gyms differently on the show, so why not the E4? (Even the actual Stadium games, themselves, didn't ignore them, after all.)

    Yeah, makes sense they would use those names before GSC. Sounds like it would be a pretty fun read! I'll make sure to check it out when I get the chance.
    Unfortunately, it's never been officially released in English, and since it's not as popular as (gag) Adventures or even the Clefairy Manga, there aren't as many fan translations. Someone did complete the first chapter here, though.

    Somehow, all this talk of fanfics and canon/non-cannon stories and stuff reminds me of this fanfic I started to write like... a decade ago. I've lost all but like 1 chapter of it, but it was very poorly written (I've since gotten a degree in English Lit and taken several creative writing courses so I could probably do it a LOT better now xD) but it was a story about Hiro's jounrey in Johto that was totally canon. And by canon, I mean it involved such memorable plot points as Hiro renting a cabin at Cherrygrove Lake with his girlfriend (who totally existed), trolling scientists at ruins of alph, a cyndaquil that refused to stay in its Pokeball and could talk (and I wanna think he was a pervert too because I was in like middle school and thought that would be cool). Some parts of the story could be fun to revisit, others need to end up on the drawing board lol.
    Yeah, I think we all made up our own stories about the games back then, even if they weren't usually the best quality. I know I certainly did, although I mixed mine with a lot of anime canon (which I was a big fan of back then).
  4. BettyNewbie
    April 7th, 2015 05:03 PM
    Would've been nice, for sure. Most of what I remember liking about X/Y were feature things, not the region itself. Like, I enjoy character customization a lot. I change my outfit to fit the area I'm in so it's more realistic, plus yknow just being able to customize in general is a huge step that I hate they seemed to take away for ORAS. And I thought riding on Pokemon was neat, but not as cool as it could have been. And being able to fly to routes in ORAS is another cool Gen 6 feature. But again, would've been nice to have new features but just go back to an existing region instead of giving us Japanese France.
    I feel similar. Almost all of XY's strong points are gameplay-related, while the setting, itself, is bland and forgettable. (One way how the games are catering more to Smogon Drones, of course.) If GF was going to put that little effort into the new region, then they really should've just given us an older one, instead. We need to see more older regions revisited in a non-remake context, anyways.

    Seriously, I don't know what they're smoking to think those comics are anything close to canon. I can see how they are inspired by the canon but yeah.
    A lot of them love how Adventures is "dark and edgy" and want to see the games like that. Many of these people are also the same people who make creepypastas of the games and clutter FF.net with terrible dark!fic. (And, many of them probably look like this in RL. )

    The anime is clearly the one that GF cares about. Some people discount Yellow because it was based on the anime (I seem to remember hearing people say Yellow shouldn't be considered canon and stuff), but I always thought it was cool and still do. I've just been dissappointed with the quality of Yellow remakes over the years (since like all of them lack the whole Pikachu follows you mechanic, which was a huge deal in Yellow)
    Yellow's clearly the game that GSC reference the most, so I'd say it's canon, like it or not. I like Yellow, myself. Not only was it my first Pokémon game ever, but the anime references were a nice touch and it was, overall, a cleaner and more complete version of RB. FRLG suffered by completely ignoring it, IMO.

    The biggest reason why most Yellow remakes lack following Pikachu is because Follow Me is very hard to implement on a GBA base. It's a shame HeartGold isn't nearly as hackable as FireRed, because that would be the perfect base for a Yellow remake. But, for the time being, I can just recommend Lightning Yellow again. It's an Essentials game rather than a hack, so Pikachu follows you as it should.

    Another, arguably bigger, problem I have with many Yellow remakes is that they insist on making the protagonist Ash instead of Red. Yes, Yellow took inspiration from the anime, but it's still part of game canon, not anime canon. You played as Red in the originals, so you should still play as him (or Green, if you're a girl) in the remake.

    It really bothered me that they turned the Pokémon League into basically an anime version of Pokémon Stadium for the N64. I mean, we already knew by then that it wasn't going to stay faithful to the games, but that was just really weird. I could see adding new areas and whatnot because yknow the world is kinda small in the games, so it made sense. But that was just "wat".
    What bothered me the most about it was that it basically screwed the Elite Four out of ever being treated equally on the show (as if they didn't already get screwed enough in the games). Despite being in Gen 1 from the start, Lance and Agatha had to wait years to appear on the show, the latter not even appearing all the way until AG! (And, they also didn't appear until after they had been redesigned in the games, so the only place you saw them in their Gen 1 outfits was on a Pokémon Monopoly card... And, yes, anime!Lance really did have purple hair originally. )

    And, with the exception of Lance, they were all reduced to being throwaway COTDs (although Bruno and Lorelei's episodes weren't that bad). Not that Lance got off much better, mind you, dropping off the face of the earth after that horrible Groudon vs Kyogre episode from 10 years ago, all while Clair got to come back again and again.

    And, as bad as Gen 1's E4 got it, other E4s got it even worse. Most E4 members have never even appeared on the anime, and the Gen 2 E4, as far as we know, doesn't even exist in it. Only the Sinnoh E4's gotten any kind of equality, all appearing on the show in the same season and actually having significance to their region's tournament... Too bad it's a lame region, though.

    As for Origins, I dunno, I enjoyed it, but I wished it was longer. I would have liked to have seen it cover the story better instead of a lot of things being condensed into flashbacks. I also actually liked when people literally said things word for word that I remembered NPCs say in the game, because it was both unexpected and still a sign that they tried to stick closer to it. And I liked how they explained the gyms scaling with your level with Brock asking how many badges Red had and choosing to use those two Pokémon because of it. I thought the gameboy things showing up at times were cool, but it would have been ok without them. Partially I was just glad to have one that was faithful to the games at this point lol.
    To me, the special's biggest problem was that it lacked Gameplay and Story Segregation. It tried too hard to recreate gameplay in animated form instead of fleshing out the storyline. Let's face it, Gen 1's story is extremely barebones, and while that works in a game, it doesn't work in a medium that's 100% storytelling. And, things like levels, HP, and whatnot just don't belong in story form. There's a reason why the anime ignores them.

    Pokémon Zensho is what Origins should've been. Here's a summary of just the first chapter:

    Satoshi is searching around for his first Pokémon. While searching, he trips and falls and when he looks up he sees a flock of Pidgey. They're just about to attack him when a flame blazes through the air and hurts one of the Pidgey. The others run away to avoid being burned. It's Professor Oak and a Charmander, who saved Satoshi from the flock.

    Prof. Oak takes Satoshi to his lab, where his anxious grandson Shigeru waits. Shigeru is surprised to see Satoshi with Prof. Oak for he is Satoshi's rival. Prof. Oak shows Satoshi three Poké Balls, and tells him to choose one of three starter Pokémon: Squirtle, Bulbasaur, or Charmander. Satoshi chooses Charmander, because it's the same Charmander that had saved him earlier, while Shigeru chooses Squirtle, and Prof. Oak keeps the Bulbasaur.
    Shigeru decides to challenge Satoshi, and Satoshi accepts. Charmander attacks, but it's ineffective against Shigeru's Squirtle. Squirtle shoots water out of its mouth while Charmander dodges. Then Satoshi orders Charmander to tackle which instantly wins the battle. While Satoshi cheers his first victory, Prof. Oak gives Shigeru and Satoshi a Pokédex, and explains to them what the Pokédex does.

    (Note that this was released before Gen 2 canonized the PC/rival names as Red and Green/Blue.)

    See, it's still very faithful to the games, but it adds a story element by having Charmander save Red Satoshi from a flock of Pidgey at the start. It's not just a literal dumping of the game, mechanics and all, onto another medium.

    Of course, Zensho had a lot more time to tell its story than Origins, and it also wasn't created for the ultimate purpose of advertising a certain Mega Evolution.
  5. BettyNewbie
    April 5th, 2015 04:38 PM
    Yeah there were a lot of things about Kalos that weren't very original, which counteract some of the cool things they added.
    And, oh look, the region's name is a 5-letter word that starts with a K. And, look at what starters they gave you.

    Could we have please gotten the real Kanto instead of this boring knockoff?

    Yeah, I never understood those people either. I mean, I've read a little bit of adventures here and there but I never got super into it like people did and I certainly don't consider it canon. Anymore, I associate it was hacks of questionable quality made by Athesode and (random string of numbers for a username) and not with the official games at all. I wouldn't have wanted the official games to go the adventures route either.
    Adventures is as far away from canon as possible. Like, even more so than the anime. Its rabid fans just don't want to admit that they prefer an AU fanfic interpretation of the games (which is exactly what it is) to the games, themselves, so they pretend that it's 100% faithful and accurate to make themselves feel better. (And, will readily chew out anyone who suggests otherwise.) At least, anime fans can acknowledge that their favorite adaptation isn't game canon and aren't bothered by it at all.

    Luckily, though, Adventures fans are one part of the fandom that GF happily ignores. It's been almost 20 years, and the number of Adventures references can be counted on less than one hand--Silver being Giovanni's son in FRLG/HGSS and the Archie/Jirachi backstory in ORAS. Meanwhile, the anime got an entire game tribute, among other things. Suck it, Adventures fans!

    I feel like maybe if they had gone more along the lines of Origins from the beginning, with Red and Blue and all that instead of Ash and Gary, it could have been better by nature of being a lot more closely tied to the games' canon while elaborating on it, instead of the anime we got which was... whatever it is lol. But I will agree, keeping Ash into Johto was a road they never should have gone down.
    Well, at the very beginning, I think Ash and Gary were meant to be anime versions of Red and Blue--Ash/Satoshi and Gary/Shigeru were default names in RGB, after all, and the Red/Blue names weren't canonized until Gen 2. Their original designs were also very similar to Red and Blue's, and Gary's snotty, bratty personality was very similar to how Blue was in the games. The main reason they had Ash start with Pikachu instead of one of the regular starters was so they wouldn't favor one starter over another.

    However, as soon as Ash returned for Johto, if not even earlier (like when the Elite Four challenge from the games was replaced with a new tournament), it became very evident that the anime was not going to follow the games' path at all and that Ash really was a different person from Red.

    Of course, there is such a thing as being too faithful, as Origins sadly proved. Origins was a literal copy/paste of the games, right down to the HP bars and text boxes (which had no business being there), and the end result was a very dry, boring anime, high on action, low on humor and heart. I'll admit that the Marowak subplot was nicely done, but otherwise, it wasn't anything I hadn't already seen in the games. The anime may not have been 100% faithful, but at least, it actually expanded on Kanto and made it seem fun and interesting.

    Cool, thanks. Kinda looks like it was based on Prof Oak a little for his trench coat. I'll go ahead and get him in the game :3
    Um, I kinda used Oak's body as a base. You're welcome, though.
  6. BettyNewbie
    April 5th, 2015 10:41 AM
    But yeah, it really has suffered this gen. And the evil team in Gen 6 was just... I don't even know. They were flambouyant and strange, and had this goal of destroying the world and taking themselves out with it or whatever? It was just really dumb IMO. Could have been a lot better.
    Team Flare was extremely generic and unoriginal. Everything about them had already been done better by a previous Evil Team. (Even their very name was a knockoff of Team Rocket.)

    In fact, all of these things could be said for Kalos as a whole, IMO. GF would've been wiser to set XY in a previous region and make them sequels if they couldn't make a new region that was worth giving a damn about. I know that Gen 5's story was hard to top, but they could've done so much better.

    Definitely agree there. One of my biggest pet peeves with hacks is when the creator tries way too hard to be "edgy" and "dark" so they can be cool. You can cover more serious themes, as well as include supernatural and and dark elements to a story without making it sound like an emo kid's Xanga entry from back in the day. I'm definitely glad the series didn't try to go there, but I would have been all for having it grow with the fans.
    Forgive me if you like it, but this is my biggest problem with the Adventures manga. It tries to be "dark and edgy" by turning heroic game characters evil and depicting Pokémon getting sliced in half, among other things, but all it does is come across as a bad dark!fic of the games. It's completely uninteresting and not nearly as well-written as it (or its fans) think it is. (Plus, its art style makes me wretch.) The fact that so many fans think Adventures is "100% faithful" or even "game canon" only makes it worse.

    As for the anime, yeah, I've thought for years that it would have been infinitely better if the anime had 1) Followed the games' characters instead of Ash, and 2) Characters that showed up over time had actually aged. On the one hand, I can see that they want to market the anime and the games to kids, because that is still the target demographic, but you can't just alienate people too. But by sticking with Ash, they are alienating everyone. Kids these days who have never played Red Version have no idea who Ash is even based on at this point, they know Calem and Serena and the other PCs from newer gens, so they are alienated, and the rest of us are sick to death of Ash and his ageless nonsense.
    Ideally, Ash should've been dropped after the Orange Islands, with Jimmy (and preferably, Janine and Falkner as his companions) taking over as the main characters in Johto. However, the nasty backlash that resulted when Tracey replaced Brock scared them away from doing such a large cast overhaul, so we ended up getting the Original Trio Redux in Johto, but without any of the things that made them enjoyable in Kanto. The anime Jumped the Shark hard in Johto, and I don't think it has really recovered from it.

    Anyways, I'm done with David Tennant/Looker:

  7. TyHawk4501
    April 4th, 2015 08:26 PM
  8. BettyNewbie
    April 4th, 2015 04:01 PM
    Absolutely. I mean, I get it. It's a new feature this gen, and they are proud of it, so they want to show it off. But if that's the only thing they wanna push, they have issues. smh
    And, you wonder why the storytelling seems to have suffered so much this Gen...

    Now that definitely would have been nice to see. Or at least it seems that way. Hopefully they wouldn't have tried to get too over the top with the drama and make the official games turn into Dark Rising or something. Having Gen 3 be more like B/W would have been pretty awesome though. I'll have to keep that in mind when it comes time for my Hoenn reboot(s) if/when I get around to it/them eventually. :nod:
    Yeah, the last thing I would've wanted was for the games to go all Dark and Gritty (which, really, isn't any more "mature" than Light and Fluffy), but I think Gen 3 could've benefited from something similar to BW--less "kiddy" and more teen-friendly. Like, why couldn't have May/Brendan been 13-15 to better reflect the ages most original fans were by then? And, the Magma/Aqua stuff could've been easily framed as a "technology vs environment" conflict, which had real world parallels and wouldn't have been nearly as silly. That might not be a bad direction to go in with your reboot.

    In fact, I'd say that this is the biggest thing that has hurt the franchise the most, this insistence on always chasing after the same kid demographic at the expense of older fans. The games, though, have, at least, improved on this (especially with BW/2), but the anime has been stuck in this same rut for over a decade, and it's finally starting to come back and bite.

    Which one is lightning yellow, again? Is that a Yellow remake, or a hack of Yellow? I think I've seen both mentioned at times. Either one could be cool though in its own way. But yeah, the fans have done some pretty ingenious things with the games by now. Maybe we'll finally get a decent remake of Gen 1 this time around!
    Lightning Yellow is a Pokémon Essentials-based remake. The mechanics are Gen 6 style, while the graphics are Gen 4 style (which I know you won't like).

    I actually considered using his graphics patch as a base, but I decided not to, although I may end up independently implementing the rest of the things his has that mine doesn't in time. I *think* the only features his has that mine doesn't is the EXP Bar and the little Pokéball icon next to a wild Pokémon's name if you have caught it already.
    I wouldn't mind seeing both of those things, myself. You don't know how convenient the EXP Bar is until it isn't there.

    And speaking of sprites, any progress on the Tennant and Munch sprites? I did alter text on the SS Anne so he calls himself The Looker and made another person say that she thought she saw David Tennant earlier, but was mistaken.
    Drat, I almost forgot about those. Sorry! I'll try to work on them tonight.
  9. BettyNewbie
    April 4th, 2015 10:35 AM
    Thanks! I have a bit of interest in XY, but I'm with you on the ORAS thing. I got the free demo and I wasn't convinced. Didn't seem worth it to me. Then again, most of the demo was just "zomg d00d liek we hav megaz nao" and I'm like "omg I don't care shut up" lol.
    It kind of peeved me how the marketing for ORAS was all "Megas! Megas! Megas!" as if that was literally all the fandom cared about. And, of course, people just lapped it right up.

    While Megas probably aren't going away anytime soon, I hope Gen 7 downplays them a lot and makes them just another feature instead of having the entire story revolve around them. You know, similar to how double battles played less and less of a role in the games after Gen 3.

    Definitely agree with you there. While I never went through a "Pokemon is for babies" phase, I know plenty of people who did around the time Gen 3 was out. And to this day, I still think of anything after Gen 2 as "one of the new games".
    I feel that way, too. Even if RS are pushing 15 now, they still feel "new" to me. They were the first games to come out after I had grown out of the franchise, so I just can't see them the same way as I do RBY/GSC. For me, 2002-03 were all about the Sims, not Pokémon.

    Sometimes, I wonder how things might've gone differently if GF had pulled a Harry Potter and decided to age with Pokémon's original fans instead of trying to replace them. What if Gen 3 had been something more like BW, with older protagonists and a darker, deeper story?

    It would certainly be nice to get a new official remake, assuming they could do it right and not find a way to screw it up. Which let's face it, it's GF, so they're going to.
    Oh, I'm sure. Even if it's on a Gen 1 base, Red++ is already a better Gen 1 "remake" than FRLG, and Lighting Yellow also looks promising. Even FRLG, themselves, have been greatly improved through the additions of things like the P/S split, Fairy Type, and DS-style sprites. At this point, fans have done a lot more to improve Gen 1 than GF has.

    But yeah, I can't think of any valid reason we need Gen 4 remakes, whether fan made or official.
    Basically, Platinum already "fixed" most of DP's worst issues, while neither Yellow or FRLG did much to fix RB's. There's simply more that can be done with a Gen 1 remake.

    Thanks! I think so too Danny on the other hand disagrees -- I originally made that revamp to offer up for his Gen 2 graphics patch, and he preferred to use or make (I forget which) a devamp of the FrLg one and I thought "Cool, whatever. I'll just use it in SaR" and so when I came up with the idea for Red++ I decided it made sense to use there as well.
    Well, if he likes his devamp, then that's his preference. Which, just doesn't happen to be ours.

    I like his graphics patch, though, since it's nice to have a vanilla RB that doesn't have ugly sprites, and it's not a bad base for hacks, either.
  10. BettyNewbie
    March 31st, 2015 10:14 PM
    If that happens, I guess we hackers will just have to up our game, and pick up where GF left off!
    Hurray for hacks! They're pretty much the only new games I play, nowadays, anyways. I have zero interest in either XY or ORAS, and many hackers here can make better games than GF, to be honest. (Like you, of course. )

    And it seems like other things from the 90s like to try and make a comeback this year, why not Gen 1? I mean, we have Friends on Netflix after all. Haha. I still find it amazing that new updates and things come out for Brown from time to time, since that's the hack that originally got me into hacking in the first place. Ah, the nostalgia -- now with added layers of nostalgia!
    90s nostalgia is still a huge thing, so why shouldn't GF capitalize on it? FRLG came out before there was really any nostalgia for Pokemon (RBY were only 5-6 years old at the time), so a lot of older fans, deep into their "Pokémon iz 4 babiez" phase, completely missed those games. While some did get their nostalgia fix later on with HGSS, a sequel can never replace a prequel, and there were even many who missed those games as well. A new, highly-publicized Gen 1 remake would be perfect for hooking in those lost older fans, as well as getting the younger ones a chance to experience the franchise's origins.

    On the other hand, who in the psyduck's nostalgic for Sinnoh?!!? Pardon my French, but seriously?

    I get Hoenn nostalgia. The games are 12-13 years old now, have zero compatibility with any modern hardware, and its original fans are old enough to be in college now. Gen 3 was also the last Gen before things like the P/S Split, wi-fi, more than 50 TMs, sprites that looked good and accurate, and of course, Smogon taking over the fandom. The early 2000s are also just becoming old enough to be nostalgic, in general.

    But, Sinnoh? The games are still less than a decade old, can be played on modern hardware, have a P/S split, and have more than 50 TMs. They were also the beginning of the Smogon-ruled wi-fi era, when GF started paying more attention to competitive meatheads than normal players. Why would anyone be nostalgic for that? What, they didn't have Megas and Fairies? So, that means we can be nostalgic for Unova, too? Give me a damn break.

    And, most of the people who came of age with DPP are still in high school, at best. They're way too young to be nostalgic for anything. Maybe, once they get into college...

    A very good point. I'll try to mainly stick with Gen 3 devamps, Gen 2-style custom sprites (if necessary) and Gen 2 style revamps of Gen 1 sprites (like the one I made for the Engineer. I figured I'd go with the original design instead of the devamped one that Danny-E33 used in his patch).
    Yeah, I always thought that Engineer devamp looked strange, to be honest. I like your revamp better.
  11. BettyNewbie
    March 30th, 2015 08:27 PM
    That box art is so accurate it hurts lol. That would definitely be nice, then we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore. Nice daydream, anyway.
    Ah, if only... What will more likely happen is that Gen 7 will be even MORE formulaic and competitive-catering than Gen 6 was, and casuals will have even fewer reasons to continue buying the games.

    Yeah, I know Gen 3 is considered easier, but at the same time, since it isn't what I'm used to, you never know lol. Guess I'll see when the time comes. I have noticed a lot more Gen 1 hacks starting to pop up nowadays though, which is cool, even if most of them are sideshow hacks it seems (mine included).
    Well, there aren't as many easy-to-use tools and tutorials for GB/C hacking beyond smaller edits, but that may change in the coming years. I think there's a decent number of people who are getting tired of FireRed and want to revisit the older games more. Hacks like yours, Brown/Prism, XY Naturia, and so on show that a lot can still be done on a GB/C base.

    I totally understand. Hopefully the ones I end up going with in the end will work ok
    I'd probably advise against using trainer sprites any newer than Gen 3, in general. While you might be able to get away with HGSS devamps for some of the generic trainers, most of the major characters just look far too different and OOC (with Sabrina and Blaine being some of the worst examples). While Red++ is adding many things from later Gens, you still want to keep some of the nostalgia, you know? Plus, DS sprites don't tend to devamp as well as GBA ones, anyways.
  12. BettyNewbie
    March 30th, 2015 05:42 PM
    I'm sure they'd complain even if they got a battle simulator though. There are already dedicated battle simluators that are unofficial, and they still feel the need to ruin the official games anyway. :/ Maybe GF will do something to fix this before they let Smogon kill the games for normal people.
    What GF needs to do is just make Pokémon Smogon Version. They can even hire the people in charge of Smogon to direct the game so the battle simulator can be exactly what they want, with all of their rules and restrictions. Smogon Version could, then, grow to be its own series, completely separate from the main games and their "pesky" story mode. And, then, we can finally kick these people out of the fandom.

    Yeah, it would be a GBA hack if I was going to do that. I've already dabbled in learning Gen 3 hacking a little, but my main focus has always been Gen 1 and 2. I don't have the same level of nostaliga for Gen 3 as I do for the first two, so there wasn't as much draw to focus on those for me even once everyone else moved on to hacking those. Not to say I don't have an interest in them, just not as strong in the nostalgia factor.
    Because of how widespread the tools and tutorials are, GBA hacking is actually considered to be easier than GB/C hacking, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get into. But, I like that you're into RBY/GSC more, because Ruby/FireRed/Emerald hacks are a dime a dozen. The older games deserve more love.

    Yep, I remember getting cards taken up, bringing gameboys on field trips to play on the bus, all of that. I still have a lot of cards in a binder and more in a box somewhere. I had a few japanese cards but they were a lot harder to find in a small town in Alabama lol.
    I know I still have my several binders' worth of cards, but I have no clue where they are. Shame, too, because I know many of the ones I have are worth a lot of money now.

    I gotcha. Yeah, I have no attachment to those sprites with this project. Someone offered to make some devamps for Christmas to give them their HGSS outfits since I was roughly basing mapping on HGSS and stuff and I said sure. Then I just tossed them in as placeholders. If you'll notice, some sprites still use the original Gen 1 sprites because I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll plan on replacing them, like I'm planning to do with the other leaders I haven't done yet as well.

    Also, thanks, glad you like the Lass
    You're welcome.

    Good to know those are just placeholders. It would completely kill the nostalgia to see some of these characters in their OOC redesigns from HGSS, you know?
  13. BettyNewbie
    March 30th, 2015 04:50 PM
    It was shortly after we switched from dial-up that I got into roms and stuff. Before that I wasn't online enough to really know. Mom wouldn't give me the password for the modem and so I wasn't on nearly as often as I am now. I do remember the days before YouTube and Facebook though. And even before MySpace (Seems hard to believe I still had a MySpace in college, although I pretty much stopped using it after freshman year and went to Facebook).
    Oh, MySpace. Just seeing that name conjures images of Blingees, bathroom selfies, and bad Emo music. Oh, and pedophiles pretending to be teenagers. Those were the good old days!

    Hard to believe it, but YouTube will be turning 10 in less than a month. Even YouTube was a different place back then, back before Google and all of the anti-copyright crackdowns. Even when I still had dial-up (as recently as 2006), I'd watch the occasional video or two on YouTube, but I'd have to wait a good 20-30 minutes just for a 3-4 minute video to load.

    Have you seen this video from the Nostalgia Chick? She takes a look at some of the videos people watched online before YouTube existed (around roughly 1998-2004). I remember many of those.

    That's a good point, I somehow hadn't picked up on the fact that it was mainly him to blame, I just assumed GameFreak in general had run out of ideas. Not sure why that is, since I blame Moffat for Doctor Who stuff, not the BBC. *shrugs* But yeah, I almost feel like Pokémon should split into two franchises. The battle simulators for the Smogon Drones, and the real games for normal people.
    Well, GF, in general can be to blame, but at the end of the day, it all comes back to Masuda. He's the one in charge, so the direction of the games is mostly his doing... And, it's painfully obvious that he's not doing a good job. He cares more about pushing out a new battle simulator game every year than good storytelling and quality gameplay. Again, it's no surprise that the recent games he had the least influence over (BW/2) were the strongest and least formulaic in both areas.

    With all of the timeline issues Gen 6 caused, I truly hope they give Masuda the boot and do a full-blown hard reboot in Gen 7. (His first games as director were RS, so it's fitting that his last games are their remakes.) Bring in a fresh mind and do something completely different with the franchise.

    I definitely agree with you on splitting the franchise. Catering the main games to Smogon Drones will ultimately backfire, because that crowd doesn't want anything short of a dedicated battle simulator (to them, "Pokémon stories suck," no matter what, even if it's BW quality), so all GF is doing is alienating casuals. Seeing as XY were the worst-selling main pair ever, they don't really have anything to lose at this point.

    I agree with both of those :3 Haha that gives me an idea. Maybe after I eventually make that Hoenn-Reboot I've mentioned, I should make a Sinnoh reboot. Use Gen 5 graphics, the same region, but totally change the story and get rid of the "Pokemon are gods" junk and all of that along the way. Just like, throw out 90% of the game and make it from scratch. Might be interesting to see what people thought, anyway. No idea if/when I'd ever get to that, but y'know.
    Basically, what Sinnoh needs is a completely new story. (And, for Arceus to cease to exist altogether.)

    By "use Gen 5 graphics," I gather that this means that it would be a GBA hack, because you can't exactly use those on a GB/C base. BTW, I found a fan-made remake of Twinleaf Town in Gen 5 style. Definitely prefer it to the original.

    I definitely remember it blowing up. All the kids in school were all about it, whether they were nerds or preps or punks or whatever they were, everyone was into Pokémon. Half the people claimed it was going to be a fad and we'd all forget about it in a year or two. We see how that worked out xD.
    I remember how huge it was from 1998-2000. Most kids, both boys and girls, were into it, trading cards in secret on the playground (because they were banned at school), and a few even smuggled in their Gameboys. And, Pokémon merchandise was just everywhere, from dolls, to toys, to clothes, and so on. There was even Pokémon food!

    I was really big into collecting the cards back then, and I loved scouring flea markets and specialty stores for Japanese imports and other rarer cards. (Luckily, unlike other collecting fads from the era like Beanie Babies and Pogs, Pokémon cards are still worth some money.)

    Yeah, I kind of used a couple of those sprites myself, but it just seemed like the thing to do. But it isn't all fanservice though. And on the Lass issue, I used the one we talked about instead of the ditzy fanservicey FrLg one haha.
    I could care less about the Beauty, but hell no to that Sabrina. It's a hideous design, and it doesn't match her OW sprite, anyways. Either her GSC sprite or a FRLG devamp would be better. Same goes for Blaine, who I notice also has his questionable HGSS outfit.

    Misty, Giovanni, Lorelei, and Agatha could all use FRLG devamps, although I'm sure you're working on those. And, Lance, for that matter, since that's what I based his new OW sprite on.

    Good job on the Lass, though. As I've said before, I've always liked how the GSC and RSE Lasses looked battle-ready (and more like the Youngster counterparts they're supposed to be), something that sadly wasn't carried over to HGSS and ORAS.
  14. BettyNewbie
    March 30th, 2015 11:12 AM
    Yeah, that is a nice thing about Gimp. I didn't realize that about the plugins until just now though, I thought it had to have its own plugins :O Good to know!
    Yup, it's true. While there are also brushes out there made specifically for Gimp, there aren't many, and it's mostly because of the Photoshop compatibility. Why release a brush that only Gimp users can use when you can release one that both Photoshop and Gimp users can use, after all?

    Mhmm. Plus, that was around the time I joined PokéCommunity as well. My how time flies.
    LOL, I still had dial-up way back then. Not that it mattered too much since YouTube didn't exist yet.

    Yeah, it bothers me that we've only had 2 actual sequels among all the games. GSC to RBY, and BW2 to BW.
    GF seems to have grown allergic to sequels and continuity, in general. Even B2W2 were only made because of Nintendo, who thought that having sequels instead of a Third Version would help promote the games better on a dying handheld. (One of the rare cases where Executive Meddling turned out for the better.)

    As I've discussed with someone else, I think the franchise could greatly benefit from Masuda stepping down as director. He's held the position since RSE, and there's no question that he's the one who's mostly responsible for the formulaic rut the games have found themselves in. He loved the hard reboot they did with RSE so much that he wanted to do it again and again with every new Generation, with older regions and characters only being revisited in remakes (unless your name is Cynthia or Looker, that is). Entire regions simply get tossed out in favor of new ones before they even have a chance to sink in, and the end result is a large backlog of characters who have been completely forgotten, many for as long as 8-10 or more years.

    It's no surprise that the Generation that saw the most influence from outside of Masuda (Gen 5) was the one that broke the formula the most--first sequels since Gen 2, first Gen to not include remakes since Gen 2, first Gen to have a Dex that was entirely composed of a single Generation since Gen 1, first Gen to have an Evil Team whose goal wasn't destroying the world since Gen 2, first Gen to have Gym Leaders more directly involved in the plot, first Gen to not have the Evil Team be defeated after the 7th Badge, and so on.

    As Gen 6 has sadly proven, Masuda has run out of ideas. GF badly needs some fresh blood, someone who truly cares about storytelling and doesn't just want to make a new battle simulator for Smogon Drones (Can we please boot them from the fandom?) every Gen.

    People try to say "Ugh, we don't need ANOTHER Gen 1 remake!" and I'm like "We didn't need Gen 4 the first time around, what do we need a remake for?" I will admit though, if they changed the story some and made it have Gen 6+ graphics, it might be worth giving Sinnoh another go. Maybe.
    What Sinnoh needs is a total reboot instead of a remake, although I would laugh my ass off if Gen 4 fans ended up having to suffer the same kind of tutorial-laden copy/paste borderline-enhanced port we got with FRLG.

    Still though, you're right about the kids thing. It still blows my mind when something causes me to realize how young most of these people are and what year that puts them being born. I was chatting with someone the other day and made a comment about how "I miss the 90s" and their response was ":O I wasn't even born then!" and I was just like "oh wow. I forgot I'm old." lol
    Yes, it's true, people who were born in 2000 are old enough to be in high school now! Scary, scary realization, there. At sites like this, 20-somethings like us are practically senior citizens!

    (Hard to believe that there are so many people here who not only don't remember Pokémania, but weren't even alive when it happened. The idea that Pokémon was once popular enough to have three major theatrical releases in the US, as well as a musical and a buttload of spinoffs and merchandising, or even just make the cover of Time Magazine, just blows their minds.)

    Yeah I saw fan-art of Cynthia before I saw her in-game and I thought "That can't be her real look. I mean, she's probably just wearing a normal jacket and doesn't have it like that with only one button done barely holding it on her in the games." ...I was wrong. lol. Then again, I'm not too surprised, since the RSE beauty sprite appeared to have her wearing a sheer top over a black bra and may or may not have been too revealing when you zoom in. Hard to tell with that resolution, but yeah. I remember that coming up back when Gen 3 was the current gen, and Cynthia reminded me of it. Gamefreak confirmed for perving on their trainer classes. (Then again, the "Graphic Artist" in Gen 1 basically confirmed that in-game by going on about how hot he thought Misty and Sabrina were).
    Yeah, that was obviously the intention with Cynthia, make a Strong Female Role Model (TM) for girls to look up to while also making her look like a supermodel for boys to drool over. I highly doubt Cynthia would've been nearly as popular if she looked like Agatha or Bertha, instead.

    Ironically, the RSE Beauty was the first (and only one until Gen 5) to wear pants. The GSC Beauty even had to have her sprite changed because the original one was too suggestive! The most recent Beauty design from ORAS looks like a flat-out hooker!

    The Graphic Artist's comments about Sabrina are highly ironic in light of the Hotter and Sexier redesign she got in HGSS. There's just no question what the intentions behind that were.

    That would be cool though, giving him a custom David Tennant/Looker sprite. If you're up for making it, I'd appreciate it
    I'll be sure to whip up a sprite for you. I'll also see what I can do about Detective Munch.
  15. BettyNewbie
    March 29th, 2015 09:48 PM
    Gimp isn't one I ever really got into. I bootlegged a copy of Paint Shop Pro 7 a few years back and got used to that. So when I use Paint.net, it still feels off to me so I can definitely sympathize with that lol. Sorry for the instability though, I know that has to suck
    You get used to what you get used to, even with the downsides. Gimp is lovely, but it was designed with Linux in mind first and foremost, so the Windows versions aren't nearly as stable as they could be. Sometimes, I wish I had gotten into Paint.net first, LOL.

    (That being said, one thing I REALLY love about Gimp is how it can freely use Photoshop brushes and patterns, so finding nice custom stuff is very easy.)

    I forget exactly how long I've been a fan, I know I didn't get into it right at the start. I think I got into it shortly before Sims 2 came out?
    Well, you said you played the Sims console game first, and that came out in 2003 (I actually remember getting it for my birthday that year), while Sims 2 came out in 2004. Sounds about right.

    For me, it was the opposite. DPPt almost made me quit Pokémon-- and did for a little while. I didn't buy them, just played roms, and generally had the feeling of "this is BS. They alternate between boring and over-the-top and I just don't care" but then HG/SS were announced and I was like SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! And I was that person taking my PokéWalker to class like that was just a normal thing people did in college (then again, I also played Pokemon in class a lot, either on an emulator or occasionally just bringing my gbc to class on days where not a single **** was given xD). So yeah, I'll never understand why so many people are all about that Sinnoh.
    Sinnoh was a very boring region, no doubt. As I said, it was basically just Hoenn: Cold Edition, the first set of games to explicitly copy the formula of a previous set of games in almost every way. I would've much rather seen a GSC-style direct sequel to RSE, IMO (and I'm not even the biggest fan of those games).

    There's no question that HGSS saved Gen 4 from being a total loss, even if they came out so late that their time in the spotlight was cut short by BW. (At least, though, that meant they weren't a rushed, partially incomplete product like FRLG were.)

    I kinda wanna thing the real reason is that all the kids these days just started with Gen 4, so that was their Gen 1 and that's what they feel nostalgic for. Not that they're old enough to know anything about nostalgia for realsies but y'know.
    Hard to believe, but yeah, there are a lot of kids who started with the DS games, and many of them are already crying for a DPP remake.

    (Even when there's still one more Generation left that doesn't have any kind of access to the 3DS and needs the updates a HECK of a lot more than DPP do. Sorry, Sinnoh kids, but y'all will have to wait your turn. )

    So basically what you're saying is that she's Princess Celestia. Supposedly all that and a bag of chips, but she's a generic mary-sue who doesn't deserve the praise the games give her, when other characters like Princess Luna and Princess Cadence have more interesting backstories but don't get as much going on in the episodes.
    Yeah, basically. Everything about Cynthia screams "fanfic character," even right down to her appearance--a tall, thin, extremely beautiful light-skinned young woman with long, flowing blonde hair. She's, essentially, a supermodel-turned-archaeologist/Champion (who still dresses like a supermodel). And, the way they gave her a perfectly balanced team with perfect IVs and fan-favorites like Milotic, Lucario, and Garchomp is just the icing on top. Blech.

    The first female Champion should've been someone a lot like the games' first male Champion, someone who was rude, a little bratty, and didn't always say or do the right thing. That's what REAL female representation looks like, female characters who are characters, not bland "role models."

    I remember that guy! I know he stuck out to me, but I never put two and two together and thought "Hey that could have been The Looker, couldn't it?" In that case, maybe I should turn that into a tiny cameo, for the people who are in the know about that, without making him part of the story. That would be super forced, trying to add The Looker into it.
    You mean, like they did in ORAS?

    As a nod, maybe you could replace the generic Gentleman OW with one that looked more like Looker? I could always whip one up. Maybe, you could even have another character on the SS Anne reference him looking like David Tennant?

    Which somehow reminds me, some of my irl friends and I were jokingly saying that the guy in Cerulean City who is guarding the burgled house should say he is "Detective Munch" from Law & Order, since it's become a bit of a recurring thing that Detective Munch shows up everywhere and in everything whether he has any business there or not.
    Well, he's certainly been around! Maybe, I should also whip up another custom OW sprite just for kicks?

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