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  1. JX Valentine
    August 27th, 2009 03:45 PM
    JX Valentine
    Was the fact that you responded on your own profile and not mine intentional or just a mistake? Not actually trying to insinuate anything. Just curious.

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    Everyone I know. I can know people outside of the PC community, because this isn't the only place I go to. My brothers, friends, colleagues, and everyone I have run into except for you thinks trolling is as I described.
    So, in other words, no one online? Because I have friends outside of PC on various online communities as well, and they all took trolling to mean exactly what I said it meant.

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    If you were to read up on the history of trolling, you'd find that it originally was not a negative term.
    But the way you used it was in a negative sense, meaning this all is rather moot except to state a given. You were accusing me of trying to incite you, when actually, I never was. In the thread, I was questioning what you were saying (not making it personal because just because I'm having a debate with you doesn't mean I'm calling you an idiot), and over here, I'm telling you I'm not exactly happy.

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    You from the very start made it into an argument. It didn't merit an argument.
    Everything online is open for discussion, question, or debate. It's a freedom of speech.

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    You suggested I said you were stalking me. I never said that. I haven't accused you of anything but trolling, while you've called me a liar and put words in my mouth. Hypocritical, much?
    Uh, actually, you did when you said this:

    I can only assume you're trolling and simply looking for something to argue over.

    Which, considering it was an addition to a paragraph about how I'm clearly picking on you specifically, says to me that you were saying I was following you around and looking for something to argue with you over.

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    Your list is not relevant.
    It is because I was trying to understand the process of the argument by summarizing our posts thus far. It also is because I was clearly not understanding something you were saying, so I was showing you exactly how I perceived the conversation so you can see where the communication breakdown actually occurred.

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    Anyone that feels the need to put so much effort into their argument, to go out and find sources and definitions, is clearly overreacting. You're working of flawed logic.
    Or, alternatively, I'm working with logic as it's defined by establishing an intelligent conversation and backing my points up with fact so there's no further argument unless the opponent actually presents contradictory evidence. In other words, it's how I'm backing up my opinions. If anyone's overreacting, it's you by accusing me of doing something I'm not actually doing.

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    I did apologize to you.
    Actually, nowhere did you specifically apologize for anything. You simply said you didn't want to continue the discussion anymore. And then you followed up by accusing me of all kinds of things, which then insulted me and brought on all of this.
  2. Redstar
    August 27th, 2009 03:25 PM
    Redstar
    Everyone I know. I can know people outside of the PC community, because this isn't the only place I go to. My brothers, friends, colleagues, and everyone I have run into except for you thinks trolling is as I described. If you were to read up on the history of trolling, you'd find that it originally was not a negative term. As I said before, terms evolve and their meanings change. It may mean something different for me than for you.

    My issue isn't that you questioned what I said, but how you did so. You from the very start made it into an argument. It didn't merit an argument.

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    Considering you've just accused me again of something I didn't do, insulted me, and borderline patronized me?
    You suggested I said you were stalking me. I never said that. I haven't accused you of anything but trolling, while you've called me a liar and put words in my mouth. Hypocritical, much?

    Your list is not relevant. Anyone that feels the need to put so much effort into their argument, to go out and find sources and definitions, is clearly overreacting. You're working of flawed logic.

    I did apologize to you. I said I hoped we could have future, mutually enjoyable, discussions.
  3. JX Valentine
    August 27th, 2009 03:17 PM
    JX Valentine
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    Everyone I know and everyone I have encountered, except for you, accepts "trolling" as an attempt to incite others into passionate discussion over trivial things, or significant things but for trivial reasons.
    Um... who exactly is "everyone" here? Because I've been online for quite awhile, and it's only ever meant "inciting a reaction out of a population by posting things for shock value" in the circles I've always been a member of. In fact, that's pretty much the definition of it according to the way PC is run. If you want proof, try reporting one of my posts for trolling.

    Moreover, okay, so just because I respond to your post by questioning what it says, I'm automatically doing something wrong? Because that seems like you're not inviting much in the way of conversation other than complete praise or agreement to what you're saying. People disagree with people around here. It happens because there's people with different opinions. Maybe everyone else didn't want to talk about what you were saying, but I did. As you can see by comments from Bay and the others, they didn't respond because they didn't know what to say. Bay was even confused by the definitions of elements, devices, and techniques. I, meanwhile, could say something, so I did. I was not insulting you personally, and I'm not trying to get you angry. All I've been doing was questioning what you said, not what you were personally saying. This is not trolling because I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm trying to have a conversation about definitions, but you keep on lashing out at me, insulting me, and accusing me of things that can't even be proven.

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    I'm not antagonizing you.
    Considering you've just accused me again of something I didn't do, insulted me, and borderline patronized me?

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    and was perfectly clear at every turn.
    Evidently not, considering this:

    1. You said something.
    2. I posted to say I object to your reasoning.
    3. You say your post is completely correct according to what I was saying.
    4. I object again and present reasons and proof of objection.
    5. You say you agree with me and that it's what you've been saying all along.
    6. I question your wording.
    7. You object and say that how I've explained things is exactly what you meant.
    8. I respond by saying that #2 is in disagreement with #1, so therefore, if you meant to agree with all of my objections, then you're in contradiction with #1. So, if you actually agree with #2, then #1 is not worded to reflect your opinions.
    9. You say that #1 is correct, so therefore, you disagree with #2.
    10. I'm left heavily, heavily confused.


    It might sound clear to you, but to an outsider, it's not. It's still not, considering I can't figure out whether you agree with what I said (meaning your first post is contradictory) or disagree (meaning you stand by your first post).

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    Instead you repeatedly called me a liar and said I didn't mean what I said I meant.
    I only asked if you were changing what you were saying because of the above confusion over whether you agreed with me (meaning your first post needed to be reworded) or not (meaning we simply were in disagreement).

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    I said my piece, I decided to stop because you weren't getting anywhere, and I offered my apologies to everyone else.
    But evidently not to me, which is why I feel the need to bring it to both our profiles (considering VMs are not just on your personal, private little space). I'm heavily insulted by your attitude and accusations grown from things that aren't there, and you feel the need to only insult me further.
  4. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 03:13 PM
    ShinjisLover
    <333333333 Where!!!?

    I drew him in a host club uniform. So effin' hawt.
    http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=5043343&postcount=54
  5. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 03:09 PM
    ShinjisLover
    We had a very rough patch before. But we got over it.
  6. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 03:04 PM
    ShinjisLover
    Yeah, I see what may be the cause on your profile. .
  7. JX Valentine
    August 27th, 2009 02:52 PM
    JX Valentine
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    Trolling is described as "with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response"...
    By posting utter nonsense, usually for shock value. It doesn't apply to discussion or heated debate. Moreover, the "stalking" part comes from the fact that some trolls occasionally create alts and actually pick targets to torment. It's implied that you agree with me, considering you've implied that I'm following you to pick on you.

    And either way, I didn't do that, either, considering I was questioning what you were saying, not you personally. As I've said in my response as well, every analysis a person posts online is up for being questioned or discussed. It's, in part, a freedom of speech, really, and just a given of the internet.

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    The fact that you took this to my profile when I clearly stated the conversation was over is only further evidence of trolling.
    What if I had something further to say because, as I've said before (but you didn't read it because you want to think of me as the bad guy for some reason -- which, ironically, means you're antagonizing me in the same way you say I've been antagonizing you) and in the thread, I'm offended now? You're saying I was insulting you when I actually wasn't saying anything personal, you keep accusing me of cyber-bullying when all I'm doing is responding to you, and now, you're saying that everything I say is invalid. If you want to end this peacefully, it's certainly not by blowing me off, making accusations, and insulting me all in one go.
  8. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:50 PM
    ShinjisLover
    Or maybe you just implied that yourself. Ooh. .

    And considering I'm not horny, innuendo or otherwise can't be differentiated at the moment.
  9. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:47 PM
    ShinjisLover
    Now you're boring meeeee. . =((((((
  10. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:40 PM
    ShinjisLover
    That's what SL do.
  11. JX Valentine
    August 27th, 2009 02:37 PM
    JX Valentine
    My original post on the FFL, taken to VMs for personal reasons:

    Quote originally posted by Redstar:
    Repeatedly stating that I'm lying and that I didn't say what I said isn't logical.
    That's not what I was saying, either. I was saying your original post wasn't worded the way you probably meant.

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    You may have been offering constructive criticism, but from the very subject I can tell you weren't. You implied that the fault was entirely on me, that I was unclear and I should acknowledge that. You didn't suggest the possibility that maybe you simply misinterpreted or didn't understand my post.
    First off, it wasn't that clear, considering we had this discussion. Tired or not, I read your post carefully enough to get a pretty good understanding of what it said. However, what it said apparently didn't match up to what you were saying, hence the constant need to clarify what literary device actually means. If a misinterpretation happens and the reader has gone over what was written carefully, then it's not the fault of just the reader.

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    Wow, really? I "claim" I'm a writer?
    Considering you don't have anything posted and available in this community, you can only really say you're a writer, but you're technically not a writer in that community. It's like saying you're a doctor when, as far as anyone's concerned, you haven't handled patients yet. It's not an insult. It's a statement that I haven't seen your work. Moreover, it's not actually a question of credentials. It's a statement that if I wanted to comment on your writing style, I'd have to look at your actual writing.

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    You say "if [I] didn't mean what [you] say [I] meant...", I should edit my post. Well, I didn't mean at all what you say I meant, I meant what I meant.
    Okay, so let me get this straight about our conversation thus far:

    1. You said something.
    2. I posted to say I object to your reasoning.
    3. You say your post is completely correct according to what I was saying.
    4. I object again and present reasons and proof of objection.
    5. You say you agree with me and that it's what you've been saying all along.
    6. I question your wording.
    7. You object and say that how I've explained things is exactly what you meant.
    8. I respond by saying that #2 is in disagreement with #1, so therefore, if you meant to agree with all of my objections, then you're in contradiction with #1. So, if you actually agree with #2, then #1 is not worded to reflect your opinions.
    9. You say that #1 is correct, so therefore, you disagree with #2.
    10. I'm left heavily, heavily confused.

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    A feeling is a feeling. I don't need proof to feel like you're antagonizing me.
    If you have no proof (even analysis) that I'm actually outright insulting you, then I'm not insulting you. If anything, you're right now insulting me by putting words in my mouth and warping the meaning of what I was saying as well as accusing me of cyber-bullying (and, later on in this post, of stalking you).

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    But when you do so about something that was never a topic of contention,
    When you post something that's an analysis on the internet, it's open for discussion and debate unless you specifically state otherwise. I found your reasoning to be questionable, so I went ahead and questioned it. And then you responded with all of this.

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    I can only assume you're trolling
    That's not even the definition of the word "trolling." Trolling is off-topic crap, possibly where the person is stalking another person but more if the person dumps nonsense all over a community. If you haven't noticed, I'm not tracking you down and arguing every single one of your posts, and I had been completely on topic before it was derailed by a battle over semantics and sensitivity. I just happen to like posting in the FFL.

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    I'd be glad to participate in discussions that warrant it and would be more than one-sided, but this simply isn't one of them.
    It only seems one-sided because, as I've shown in the earlier list, it's really hard to see where you're standing here.
  12. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:29 PM
    ShinjisLover
    Horny, much? =P
  13. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:20 PM
    ShinjisLover
    I'll give you whatever you want. =3
  14. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:08 PM
    ShinjisLover
    Because I wanna/said so. XD
  15. ShinjisLover
    August 27th, 2009 02:03 PM
    ShinjisLover
    Liar. >=( You can't love me more.

    (♥ = Alt + 3)

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