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  1. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 11:02 PM
    Apparently Bulbapedia considers the Indigo (Kanto) and the Johto league different things...mind changing that up?
    Sure you're not looking at the anime pages? Kanto and Johto DO have separate Leagues in that canon (mostly because they obviously couldn't have Ash return to Kanto like in the games, so they created the Silver Conference, instead; note that the linked page has this to say about the Silver Conference: "The Silver Conference is technically the only league in a region from the core games that doesn't actually exist in the games, as the Generation II games and the Generation IV remakes had the Pokémon League/Elite 4 at the Indigo Plateau in Kanto.").

    In the games, however, they both share a League at the same Indigo Plateau, so together, they make up the Indigo League. (Notice how none of Johto's gyms overlap with Kanto's, type-wise? That's why.)
  2. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 08:25 PM
    Actually Probopass being seen as a Jewish stereotype caused it to be banned in Saudi Arabia irc.
    Actually, Pokémon, as a whole, was banned in Saudi Arabia, years before either Nosepass or Probopass were a thing.

    I just have a thing for Japan is all. Though my heritage is one of the reasons why I want GF to make one of the next regions in Mexico
    Ah, I seem. I'm not really big into Japanese culture, myself. I just like Pokémon. *shrug*

    A region based on Mexico could be interesting... I presume these two would be in the Regional Dex, LOL.

    Funny you mention that as I was in an old Smogon thread (I was looking around the threads out of curiosity) and someone made fun of Silgilyph, starting with "Wow Unown got an Evolution...oh wait..." It does look like it...Then there is Alomomola and Luvdisc...Unova's mons are trolls. I hate it that Sylveon is the only evolution of an old mon we've gotten in nine years.
    I think you can partially blame Eviolite for that. Giving the likes of Jynx and Dunsparce evolutions would mean having to explain why they can suddenly use Eviolite, and GF hates those kinds of retcons (see not being able to get Leafeon with a Leaf Stone). Of course, Eviolite was partially introduced in the first place because of the negative reception many of Gen 4's evos received, most notably Rhyperior, Electivire, and Magmortar.

    Btw how would you feel if Gf gave Eevee a pre evolution and had that pre-evolution evolve into a different mon that evolves into Pokemon with types based on the formerly Physical types?
    Like many of your ideas... A teensy bit unrealistic.

    You know, if it weren't for that controversy perhaps Jynx would've been in the Sinnoh dex (maybe even the Hoenn dex) and ended up as Candice's ace, or her possible evolution would've (similar to how Volkner got Electivile and Flinn got Magmortar). I wonder what it's evolution if it had one would've been called (in English)...Elect and Mag have already been in the lines of the other two, but Smoochum and Jynx don't have that.
    Yeah, Candice probably would've had Jynx's evo as her ace. Here's a fan-made idea of what a Jynx evo done in the matter of Electivire and Magmortar would've looked like.

    Well at in a few years Glacia will be remembered far less than Lorelei...the ice E4 specialists don't have it as nice as the ice gym leaders...

    So I google imaged Lorelei and Glacia separately and got more pictures of Glacia than of Lorelei (I had to scroll down to find any for Lorelei, while Glacia's appeared right away), seem ORAS is helping Glacia's popularity a bit xD. Also on the web front Lorelei was by far not the first result...Glacia though was :3.
    I think Ice specialists, in general, do tend to have lower popularity. The type, itself, doesn't have many fans (mostly because of having many weaknesses and being home to designs like Jynx, Delibird, and Vanilluxe), and most of its specialists are white-haired old men (or, light-haired women who look like they're elderly in certain sprites). The fact that most of them are pathetically weak/easy in battle doesn't help.

    Before ORAS came out, Googling Glacia's name would get you more pictures of Glaceons than her, and even nowadays, that's often still the case.

    Unsurprisingly, the lone Ice specialist who is both a Gym Leader and fairly recent while still being a cute young girl is the most popular one by far. (Even if it's mostly for gross fanservice/fetish reasons.)

    But, despite all of this, Lorelei still seems to get the worst of it, and most of that is because of A) Jynx and B) ceasing to exist after FRLG. Again, GF clearly doesn't care about her, so fandom feels the same way. Sometimes, I feel like the only remaining fan of her...
  3. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 06:39 PM
    Wow I just looked at Jynx's appearances in the anime, and apparently the anime kept using the same design up to the Hoenn saga (EP 13 of AG). The scene of course was deleted (meanwhile another scene was heavily edited as it had TR doing a heil Hitler pose) in the dub. Jynx also caused a banned episode in the U.S. (from the Original Saga (the one before reaching Blackthorn city)) as it was the main character. Poor misunderstood Jynx.
    I don't get why they kept using the old Jynx as late as late Johto/early Hoenn. Those episodes aired a full three years after the controversy (and long after she had been redesigned in the games), so Jynx's skin should've been purple from the get-go in EP250 and AG013. (Her skin also should've been recolored purple in EP099, which aired in the US a few months after the controversy.) It sucks that Jynx had to get censored like that, but the anime brought it on themselves by being so careless with her design, knowing very well about the controversy she caused.

    (Yet no one yelled racism about what Ludicolo was based on xD. Though as a Mexican-American I'm fine with Ludicolo (and Hawlucha), I actually love it).
    I'm surprised that Ludicolo ever made it past the censors, because, unlike Jynx, it's unquestionably based on a racial stereotype. Same goes for Probopass. (Although, this one wasn't intentionally meant to be a Jewish stereotype. It was intended to be an homage to Mario... an Italian stereotype.)

    Later on, one of the Gym Leaders had to have her design altered, because of, well... Again, how did this ever pass the censors in the first place?

    (BTW, I didn't know you were Mexican-American. With all of your references to the Japanese games and Japanese culture, I actually thought you were Japanese or Japanese-American, LOL.)

    Funny thing is that Lorelei isn't even called that in the Dub, but Prima.
    And, that episode was recently banned. Guess why? Now, her character has literally been erased from existence.

    Well maybe she'll pop up again in due time. Jynx does appear in the Mountain Kalos dex :3 (first time since the Johto dex).
    Seeing as she's been gone for more than a decade now, that's about as likely as Unown getting an evolution, I'm afraid.
  4. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 05:15 PM
    Yet they gave her a pre-evolution despite the controversy. Perhaps it's because they want to figure out the best way to evolve Jynx. Or perhaps Jynx is like Banette who didn't get an evolution despite it's counterpart getting one, but will get a Mega before the others.
    The controversy actually happened in late 1999, after GS had been released in Japan, so Smoochum's existence doesn't mean much.

    At this point, the odds of Jynx getting a Mega are slim. She was a very high contender to get one in Gen 6, and yet, it never happened. Considering the way GF regards her, this doesn't surprise me.

    And, as I said, Jynx, no doubt, has impacted how GF views Lorelei. Giving her any spotlight inevitably means giving Jynx the spotlight, which is the last thing they want to do. Better to just Put her On a Bus to BFE, err... Sevii, and forget she ever existed... Just like Jynx!
  5. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 01:28 PM
    Actually Jynx is part of a cultural dissonance. It's actually based on a Japanese fashion trend called Ganguro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganguro (which while meaning Black face isn't what we in U.S. think of when we hear Black Face), which in turn is based on Japanese theather performances (Kabuki and Noh (in Noh one wears either white or black makeup/mask). Sadly outside of Japan it looks like a racial stereotype. Actually if you compare that Wiki page's first picture to Smoochum you can see some influences in the pre-evolution.
    Oh, I know Jynx wasn't intentionally meant to be based on blackface, but that's how people interpreted her, so GF just shoved her further into the background to avoid more controversy.

    It's actually remarkable that Porygon got evolutions considering Porygon was (mis)blamed for the seizures in Japan. Funny thing is that it was Yellow's mascot's attacks that caused the seizures...still poor Porygon hasn't had an anime apperance in a long time.
    That's pretty unfortunate, too. It still amazes me that Porygon2 and especially, Porygon-Z ever happened.
  6. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 12:32 PM
    I've realized that Lorelei is the character that has sunken most into oblivion (discounting Kris, James, and Jessie who likely were destroyed from the canon). She hasn't appeared or even been mentioned in any canon, not even the games since FRLG. The closest runner ups while not appearing have been mentioned. Juan, Scott, and the Emerald Frontier Brains were brought up in ORAS, while Agatha has been referenced to by Shauntel in the Gen V games.
    It's very sad, isn't it? If there's any character who was the most undeservedly failed by GF, it's her. First, they scrap her without mention in GSC, and then they give her the most barebones, half-assed attempt at a "backstory" ever in FRLG (which served no purpose but to get rid of her and pave the way for Psychic Clown in the sequels). We never learned anything about her friends and family, her dreams and goals, or simply who she was as a person. And, then, she simply vanished for good after that, never to be seen or heard from again.

    And, since GF never cared what became of her, neither does fandom. You see loads more love and fanart/fic for stupid generic NPCs than you do Lorelei, because apparently, a dumb kid who has zero characterization beyond "I like shorts" is deeper, more interesting, and more salvageable than a tragically underwritten E4 member.

    What did Lorelei ever do to incite so much hatred from GF? I can only guess. Yeah, guess what the ace of her team, the Pokémon most strongly associated with her, happens to be? The literal Black Sheep of the franchise. Screwed out of an Evolution, screwed out of a Mega, and screwed out of any other buffs that would put her in the spotlight and make her worth using, because that's the last thing GF wants.

    If GF hadn't been so obsessed with making FRLG a GBA clone of RB, maybe they could've retconned the thing off of Lorelei's team and separated her from the Blackface Pokémon once and for all, but alas, that opportunity has passed. Unless Gen 1 gets another remake, then Lorelei will continue to not exist and be forever "remembered" as the unlucky trainer of a racist stereotype.

    For all 5 fans of her character (of which I am one) it has been a long uphill battle.
  7. BettyNewbie
    February 28th, 2015 09:50 AM
    Poor Gyarados... I get that the Pokémon would've been overpowered in Gen 1 as a Water/Dragon (since no Dragon attacks existed, thus negating its lone weakness), but you'd think they would've, at least, given it the type with its Mega (like they did Charizard). At this point, I don't think it'll ever be a real Dragon type.
  8. BettyNewbie
    February 27th, 2015 10:33 PM
    Uh, remember that Flygon was the first Ground/Dragon type when saying things like that. Also up until Gen VI the type combo was tied with Psychic/Dragon and Water/Dragon if one counts legends.
    But, Legendaries don't count. Seriously, when was the last time you saw someone with a Palkia on their team?

    As for Flygon, it may have been the first, but that still didn't make Ground any more of a filler type for it. It looks like a bug, and it's in the Bug Egg Group, so why not make it Dragon/Bug? Did they really think it would be OP if it didn't have a 4x Ice weakness?
  9. BettyNewbie
    February 27th, 2015 08:08 PM
    Flygon likewise is also interesting due to being a Dragon fly with an interesting pre-evolution (Trapinch).
    Then, why isn't it Dragon/Bug? That would make it far more unique and special. Well, I guess, there's always its Mega, if it happens, that is...

    Also don't forget about the Dragon only in Mega. Ampharos and Charizard X both have the interesting types of Zekrom and Reshiram, while Sceptile has a unique type. Also Altaria has a unique type in it's Mega. So it seems like the Megas are mixing up things a bit.
    Yeah, the Megas, like the Legendaries, are getting more interesting typings and concepts, but the "one Mega per team" limit kind of lessens their effect on the diversity of the type. Can't use Charizard or Sceptile on a mono-Dragon team lest you want them to be your sole Mega, after all.

    Well Kyurem was quite boring too in BW...got a bit more interesting in it's games, so chances are so will Zygarde.
    Most of Kyurem's boringness came from it being horribly underpowered by Box Legendary standards. (The thing's currently sitting in the BL2 Tier, despite having a BST of 660 and no hindering Ability like Truant or Slow Start.) Otherwise, it had a unique, interesting typing. (Albeit, one that hurt more than helped, thanks to Ice being such a horrible typing.)
  10. BettyNewbie
    February 27th, 2015 12:52 PM
    Yeah but in Hoenn there is only one versus 3 Dragon/Flying and 2 Dragon/Psychics. Plus as you said it's a fan favorite (plus Aarune has one, so why didn't he get a Mega like Lissia did?) I think those three are going to end up being marketed alongside one another for the next games (their types fit a known theme in Pokémon after all).At this point Dragon/Psychic (tied with Dragon/Water as the 3rd most common Dragon combo) all have Megas. Now something that is strange is that we have no pure Dragons getting Megas...but then again Dragon final evolved mons popped up in Gen V.
    I don't count Rayquaza and the Latis, as they're Legendaries and are thus, unlikely to be on most people's teams. Outside of Legendaries and Megas, there are exactly FOUR Dragons that aren't mono-Dragon, Dragon/Flying, or Dragon/Ground: Kingdra, Hydreigon, Tyrantrum, and Dragalge.

    In terms of diversity, Dragon is a very boring type, IMO. With the exception of Legendaries and Megas, it seems like most Dragon Pokémon are just plain dragons without having any other special characteristics. Flying and Ground are nothing more than filler types that serve as a replacement for Levitate (in the case of Flying) and provide a 4x Ice weakness (because, apparently, every Dragon needed one back then, even the likes of Altaria and Flygon), and even Tyrantrum is only Rock because it's a Fossil. That leaves only Kingdra, Hydreigon, and Dragalge standing out as more than plain dragons, which is just sad.

    Dragon mythology is vast and diverse, but you wouldn't know it from looking at Pokémon. I guess GF wants to save the "fun" dragons for Legendaries and make the non-Legendaries more boring, although that seems to be slowly changing; Gen 6 gave us a non-Legendary dragon that was unique (Dragalge) and a Legendary dragon that was boring and generic (Zygarde).
  11. BettyNewbie
    February 27th, 2015 10:19 AM
    Interestingly their non-Dragon type are Flying, Water, and Ground respectively.
    Nothing really interesting about that. Flying and Ground are the most common secondary types for Dragons, so Dragon/Flyings and Dragon/Grounds are a dime a dozen.

    It's strange how both Dragonite and Flygon have been seemingly "left behind" in the Mega dept, though. The former is the only pre-Gen 5 Pseudo to not have one, and the latter is the only Gen 3 dragon to not have one. It's not like they're unpopular Pokémon, either.
  12. Unapologetic Sunflower
    February 27th, 2015 06:15 AM
    Unapologetic Sunflower
    Study Italian someday, since you know both Francais and Español.

    So yeah, I picked up Spanish again. I'm trying my best to memorize the 'to be' (ser). Gladly I can remember them, I might look for grammar excercises around the web, hopefully they are available.

    Hmm... It's almost Marzo already. Time flies so fast...
  13. Unapologetic Sunflower
    February 26th, 2015 12:51 PM
    Unapologetic Sunflower
  14. BettyNewbie
    February 25th, 2015 08:41 PM
    Erika should have Mega Bellossom, and Koga should have Mega Crobat. (Gym Leader) Blue would probably have Mega Arcanine. Otherwise, I agree with those.
  15. BettyNewbie
    February 25th, 2015 06:12 PM
    I think Mega Ninetales (or an unlikely evolution) should be Fire/Fairy or Fire/Psychic if it isn't Fire/Ghost. Kyuubi are tricksters so it'll fit the Fairy type like Mawile does. As for Fire/Psychic it has access to psychic moves, plus is shown in the anime to have some psychic abilities.
    Just about anything but mono-Fire would be good for it, even Fire/Psychic. Ninetales badly needs help.

    Speaking of Psychic Mega Psyduck should be Water/Psychic.
    You mean, Mega Golduck, right? Yeah, I never understood why that line was never part-Psychic to begin with. Adding insult to injury, they couldn't even learn Psychic straight from the TM until Generation 4! (You had to breed them with the Slow family or Espeon to get Psychic in Gens 2 and 3... They couldn't get the move at all in Gen 1.) What was up with that?

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Wow I can't beleive that I'll be completing my third year on this site already...time sure went by quick. I remember joining at the time when Gen V speculation was picking up. Now we're in the middle of Gen VI speculation! During that time I made friends, and lost some too. Even then I found these three past years on here to be fun overall. I hope that the next three years will be better than these past three .

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