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  1. BettyNewbie
    January 8th, 2015 01:44 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    Gen III had some hints of HgSs such as the Johto music (if it wasn't meant for Johto in RS that is...) plus FrLg having already been remade so it's sequels should too was logical. Gen V (B2W2's code) had a strange remix of Rustboro's music.
    There's a possible Gen 1 remake hint in XY's music--The Kalos Victory Road theme is a remix of an unused track from Yellow. Also, Santalune Forest looks nearly identical to Viridian Forest as it looked in the original games (as opposed to HGSS). And, the new Exp. Share that was introduced in XY works very similarly to the Exp. All that was last seen in Yellow. XY also gave Pikachu its anime cry for the first time since Yellow, and gave out the Kanto starters in a non-postgame context, also for the first time since Yellow.

    ...YELLOW CONFIRMED!!!

    As for more remake hints found in past games...

    RSE:

    - Ruby and Sapphire were another Red and Blue pair.
    - The first Gym Leader was Rock type and used a Geodude, and the third one was Electric type and used a Voltorb, just like we saw in Kanto.
    - The Oceanic Museum music was a remix of the SS Anne music, and there was a model of the ship on the second floor.
    - The Sootopolis City theme was a remix of the Name Entry theme from Pokémon Pinball (a Gen 1-era spin-off game).
    - And speaking of Pinball... It got its own remake not long after Ruby & Sapphire came out.

    DPP:

    - Platinum was the third precious metal... after Gold and Silver.
    - The sixth Gym Leader was Steel type and used a Steelix, and the seventh one was Ice type and used a Piloswine (Platinum), just like we saw in Johto.
    - And speaking of Johto's Steel Gym Leader... She had a cameo in Sunyshore City.
    - The Red Gyarados from the Lake of Rage was mentioned on TV at the beginning of the game.
    - The Poké Ball design in the Poké Centers was colored Gold and Silver.
    - The Pal Park Ball had a Gold/Silver/Crystal color scheme.
    - A large number of Gen 1 and 2 Pokémon received new pre/evolutions this Gen, and it was the first to introduce new evolutions at all (Gen 3 only introduced a couple of babies) since Gen 2.
    - Pokémon could be hacked to have location data that said "Johto."
    - The SS Ticket and SecretPotion (which mentioned Cianwood City in its description) were unobtainable, unusable Key Items.
    - Bebe, who created Sinnoh's storage system, gives you an Eevee just like Bill did in Gen 2.

    XY:

    - X and Y were, yet, another red and blue pair.
    - Xerneas and Yveltal were the first Box Legendaries to not be Dragon type since... Groudon and Kyogre.
    - The third Box Legend was a green serpentine Dragon... like Rayquaza.
    - We saw the first female first Gym Leader since... Hoenn. (And, the Kalos GL's type is weak to the Hoenn GL's type. They both also happen to be the only female specialists of their respective types.)
    - The seventh Gym Leader was Psychic type, just like we saw in Hoenn.
    - The eighth gym leader was Ice type, similar to Hoenn's eighth gym being Ice-themed (despite being a Water gym).
    - A large number of Mega Evolutions were given to Gen 1 and 3 Pokémon (including Blaziken, the only non-Kanto starter to get one), and Gen 3 was the last time both Generations had been seen.
    - Unobtainable Mega Stones for the Eon Duo were discovered in the games' data.
    - An NPC mentions that "The 40th wedding anniversary is the ruby anniversary, and the 45th is sapphire."

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    Speaking of this I just realized another part GF hasn't favored the Dark type. Steel got a legendary in the span of one Gen (Registeel) and a mascot legend in two (Dialga), while Dark got one in the span of two (Darkrai) and four (the second Dark legendary...Yvetal), while Fairy got one in it's intro for both (Xerneas).
    At least, the Dark type HAS Legendaries. Guess how many Poison has?
  2. BettyNewbie
    January 7th, 2015 08:38 PM
    BettyNewbie
    Just for a bit of nitpicking--There is NO such thing as a "Kanto Elite Four" or "Johto Elite Four." The two regions share the same E4 at the same Indigo Plateau, and any differences between Gens 1 and 2 can be chalked up to the passage of time, not the existence of a separate "Johto Elite Four." (If you were to go through Johto at the time of Gen 1, you would've still fought the same E4 of the original games at the end, not the one from GSC.) It's better to say "Gen 1 Elite Four" and "Gen 2 Elite Four" ("Indigo Elite Four" for both).

    Anyways...

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    How do you feel about the E4s of Hoenn and Unova being essentially copies of the original?

    I mean Hoenn's is just like Kanto's except Dark replaces Fighting (or is it Ghost comes and replace fighting while Dragon returns?) meaning it's Gen I Kanto meets Gen II Kanto/Johto. Unova has the same thing except it adopts psychic (a type seen in Sinnoh) to replace Dragon.
    Actually Sinnoh and Kalos have the most unique typed E4's (Sinnoh only sharing Psychic with Unova's, and Fire with Kalos. While Kalos also shares Dragon with G I Kanto, and Hoenn). I half expect next Gen to have Dragon too (I mean Johto promoted Lance to champ, while Cynthia had a Dragon as an ace so Dragon is either always the type of the ace, the champ's specialty (which was the case in future Unova with Iris like it was with RGBY's sequels with Lance), or an E4 type.)
    I was actually discussing this with a friend a little earlier, and he pointed this exact same thing out (and said it was the reason why he hated Hoenn's E4). For only being three Generations into franchise at the time, it looks very suspicious (and unoriginal) that they would pick four types that had already been used at Indigo for the Hoenn Elite Four, even going so far as to put the Dragon trainer at the top of the pile again. It was inevitable that Hoenn would repeat type specialists (all but one of the 17 types were already used as gyms in the previous Gen), but they could've done better with the Elite Four. (Especially, Glacia. Why would they put an Ice specialist in a region that only had two fully-evolved Ice types? One of which was a complete piece of crap?)

    I say this looks suspicious, because I can't help but wonder if Hoenn's E4 was meant to be a hint towards FRLG--We had Ghost, Ice, and Dragon again, with the Dragon user in the 4th position. The Ice user also looked suspiciously like a younger version of Gen 1's Ghost user.

    You can see similar remake hints in Sinnoh and Kalos. Sinnoh's Ground user, of course, resembled Agatha, and more importantly, its Psychic user strongly resembled Gen 2's Psychic user (the only other Psychic E4 member that existed at the time). As for Kalos, it had Water and Steel Elite Four Members, marking the first time since Gen 3 that either of those types had been seen in the League (albeit on Champions). The Water user also happened to be a frilly, effeminate-looking young man with a White/Blue color scheme (again).

    And, speaking of Kalos, there could possibly be other remake hints in its E4. It's two female E4 members can be seen as parallels to the two female E4 members from the original games.

    Lorelei and Malva are both bespectacled young redheads who happen to be the only E4 members seen outside of their rooms in their respective games, but while Lorelei uses Ice/Water types, has a cool personality, and fights against evil, Malva uses Fire types, has a hot personality, and fights for evil.

    Agatha and Drasna are both older women in long skirts (and with long, grey hair if you go by Agatha's original design), but while Agatha is creepy, hateful, and competitive, Drasna is inviting, friendly, and humble. Ghost (Agatha) and Dragon (Drasna) can also be seen as parallel types--both weak against themselves, both resisted by only one type (Dark vs Steel), both made immune by one type (Normal vs Fairy), both had only a single 3-stage evolutionary line in Gen 1 (Gastly line vs Dratini line), both didn't receive STAB moves until Gen 2 (Shadow Ball vs Dragonbreath; both Gym Leader TMs given out by the 4th and 8th leaders, respectively), and both suffered from mismatched Pokémon before the P/S split (Ghost was a Physical type with mainly Special attackers; Dragon was a Special type with mainly Physical attackers). Drasna's pre-battle rematch dialog also refers to the region that introduced another E4 member that paralleled Agatha.

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    Btw you've noticed how each Region (minus Johto but Johto did a good job at avoiding overlapping types with Kanto (even to a certain extent in the E4...too bad they overlapped with Dragon and Poison (should've had Agatha stay to avoid poison repeating at least))).
    Lorelei would've been better, as Agatha's team was mostly Poison thanks to the lack of Ghost types in the original games (and the only ones that existed were all part-Poison themselves). Of course, there was going to be some GL/E4 overlap with Gen 2, as all of the types (sans Dark) were represented in the 16 gyms.
  3. BettyNewbie
    January 6th, 2015 11:04 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    The cause could be...Hoenn and the crash of the Super Ancient Legendaries. I mean Hoenn doesn't exist in the Alpha timeline...also could be related to the early discovery of Hoenn mons and the Steel and Dark types.
    A little too "epic" for my tastes, but it could explain why we never saw Hoenn in the Alpha timeline.

    (I wonder what Steven and Sidney's types would've been, though, if we had. Remember that Steel and Dark wouldn't be discovered until 3 years after the events of RSE in the Alpha Reality. I think Steven would've had Rock, just like Jasmine, but Sidney's more of a toss-up. Maybe, Poison?)

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    Sometimes I feel like GF had RGBYGSC kicked out of canon...heck before ORAS people thought the remakes (and third versions) kicked the originals out of canon/retconned. Too bad GF couldn't have made Pokébank earlier (they though of doing a 'cloud' (before such a thing existed) like thing during Crystal).
    Well, I think that was the official story until ORAS came out. The first two Gens couldn't connect with any of the later games, so it was easy to assume that the remakes simply retconned them out of the timeline.

    I don't think anyone ever considered 5-10 years ago that the first "modern" games would also eventually be remade, thus finding ourselves in the position of having originals that COULD connect with their remakes (even if indirectly). Plus, there were simply more games within the timeline that RSE started, so RSE getting kicked out of canon would've inevitably meant the same for FRLG, HGSS, DPP, BW, and B2W2 (which wouldn't have gone over too well with many people for obvious reasons).

    The establishment of alternate timelines neatly solves this issue, while inadvertently also giving RBY/GSC a way to still "exist." It's a win-win.
  4. BettyNewbie
    January 6th, 2015 08:47 AM
    BettyNewbie
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    It would be interesting to see though. Actually the 'went through space and time' of transfered mons makes a lot more sense now (sadly the original timeline has no contact with the other two).

    If they remake Kanto again I wonder if they'll reference the RGBY and FrLG lines same with DP's remakes with DP or if ORAS will be the only ones to reference their original counterparts plus each other (though the Gen V games did reference each other with Opelucid).
    One interesting fact is that unlike the previous remakes, it's possible to send Pokémon from the original RSE to ORAS (indirectly through Gens 4 and 5, of course). You get a special certificate when you do so. Knowing that, I wonder if this is why ORAS was the first remake to acknowledge the original games existing on a separate timeline?

    Of course, it would be a similar story with FRLG/New!Yellow and DPP/New!DP, so those connections, at least, would probably be similarly acknowledged. In the case of New!Yellow, though, I'd like to see the timeline of the original games acknowledged, too (especially since it would technically be a remake of Yellow, not FRLG). Maybe, we could learn what caused the split between Alpha and Beta (Bill's Time Capsule, perhaps?) and why Alpha Reality Prime can't connect with the other timelines.
  5. BettyNewbie
    January 5th, 2015 09:50 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    They could have fairies discovered later than the B2W2 time. Also have Megas be introduced from the other world (the 'Omega' timeline). Though it'll be messy.
    Way messier than many of us would like to see. It's best to just leave the Beta Reality in the past. (Like the Alpha Reality, it's now the domain of fanficcers and hackers. )

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    I noticed an interesting pattern with the remakes I've gotten starting with Ss it had Groudon and I ended getting OmegaRuby which has Palkia and I plan to get Pearl's eventual remake. Though the basic pattern (the purposeful one) for me is actually Kanto 1st, Johto 2nd, Hoenn 1st, Sinnoh 2nd... so I guess if they remake White it'll be white. If they remake Kanto again as a pair I'll probably get Green's/Blue's to contrast FireRed (I did the same with Omega Ruby as I had Sapphire and Emerald but not Ruby. Coincidentally I was going to get Pearl but didn't as Platinum was coming out plus it was sold out and plan on getting it's remake. Also I played Silver but didn't own it yet got SoulSilver in part due to having an attachment to Lugia.)
    So, basically, you got the remake version you didn't own as an original? I think a lot of people did that.
  6. BettyNewbie
    January 5th, 2015 04:34 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    Unless if they go back to the 'Beta' timeline and leave out Megas. Some fans hate Megas so those who do will be glad to see it. Then for the post game they could have a parallel world of the region(s) where Megas do exist. The legendaries could be masters of the multiverse.
    They'd also have to leave out Fairies, too, and while there is also a vocal minority of people who hate them, there would be a massive outcry if either mechanic was deliberately excluded from a future game. Just look at how many people hated RSE for not having Day/Night or FRLG for not having any Gen 2 or later Pokémon until the postgame.
  7. BettyNewbie
    January 5th, 2015 03:58 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    Yeah, it wouldn't have worked.
    Which is exactly what I tell people who call for a "Kanto sequel" instead of a new Gen 1 remake. Granted, this "Kanto sequel" would technically be a sequel to HGSS (as HGSS are already sequels to FRLG), which are much newer games that can be played on a 3DS, but most fan ideas for a "Kanto Sequel" either minimize or completely ignore Gen 2 Kanto and draw more from the older, more outdated iteration of it, aka. FRLG.

    Of course, with Gen 6 resetting the timeline, it's a moot point now, as neither FRLG or HGSS "exist" anymore in the current timeline (which is all GF cares about). You can't make a sequel for something that doesn't exist.

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    I think RSED are an easter egg to Zelda (as well as the Lake trio but in a different way) as Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald in Ocarina open the door to get the sword of Mastery which when pulled allows one to time travel (Dialga), and Diamond happens to be the fourth of the 4 most precious gems. Also Dialga's color is similar to the master sword's (I would've expected it to be Yellow as Diamond in anime tend to be associated with that color when not white).
    Interesting. Ironic that you mention Zelda, because that's what a lot of people have compared Gen 6's establishment of a "multiverse" to.
  8. BettyNewbie
    January 5th, 2015 12:37 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    That's why many consider Gen III a reboot. Gen V itself is called one by GF but if you ask me I think Gen VI is more as like Gen III it establishes a new alternate timeline. Also it adds a mechanic and new typing that actually changes things while V had...sequels...152/3 mons and fusion formes for a legendary...
    Obviously. I guess it's fitting that this was the Gen that RSE was remade.

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    Speaking of the timeline I hate to say it but I think Gen III-V is the last time we see all the regions in the same general timeline/dimension. As if Sinnoh remakes happen by Gen VII that'll conflict with the ORAS to XY timline as Kalos' story takes place in the alternate timeline to B2W2's but same year. And we all know BW takes place after Sinnoh. It makes me wish that GF went back to Gen I's/III's time for XY. Hopefully they'll go back next Gen and do Gen 7th pair take place the same timee as Kanto remakes, they do sequels which happen at the same time as Sinnoh and Johto remakes. Then Gen 8 with BW. Gen 9 with B2W2 remakes? and XY remakes. That would leave out Hoenn though, unless if they do Delta Emerald next Gen 0_o...or update Gen VI games with Gen VII mons. I doubt those last two even if I do strongly want an Emerald.
    The timeline IS a complete mess, I agree, and it's why I wish they had either A) sent XY all the way back to the beginning of the timeline and went full reboot, or B) made ORAS sequels set during the same time as B2W2/XY and preserved the Gen 3-5 timeline. Of course, the issue of the GBA being such an outdated handheld made the latter harder to do (How could RSE sequels work if you couldn't play the originals?), but the former was always an option.

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    Btw remember how we mentioned the director cuts? I would say out of them (JP) Blue is the most justified as it fixed several issues with RG which were the first games. Perhaps they could've added Yellow's plot minus Pikachu as starter to it and from then on not made any third versions (though arguably Yellow fixed them more, and Pt fixed DP's slowness and DP were the first DS games so GF was bound to have issues. Interestingly third versions have only come out on new consoles and sequels in old ones (of which the GBC can be considered both and GS (noticed how the initials of GSC oddly spell GBC almost? RSE have the same initials as the beast trio, and DPP look like the jade jewely of japan when rendered as dpp when flipped look like 699 or 966...)were both sequels to the 'GB games' and yet had a third version of their own ).
    Well, JP Blue didn't really fix the crappy sprites or glaring glitches (at least, not as much as Yellow did).

    You're really good at analyzing Easter Eggs and hidden messages in the games, LOL.
  9. BettyNewbie
    January 4th, 2015 07:58 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    What I meant is that they would've been considered part of Hoenn. Also it'll likely result in Hoenn having a dex like Gen II Johto did. Actually there are dex numbers according to Bulbapedia for the mons not in the Hoenn dex but they were never in the game in any form (not even code). It's possible GF contemplated continuing the Gen II dex tradition. Perhaps Hoenn was originally going be a sequel but the idea was dropped due to lack of connectivity...who knows why those numbers exist (also RS had Johto music in the coding).
    That's interesting to know. I wonder why they scrapped Johto if it really was being planned for RSE? It's easy to assume that it's the lack of connectivity, but on the other hand, wouldn't that have made Johto even more necessary (since it could've easily filled the Hoenn Dex's gaps)? It's also possible that like FRLG, RS were made in a rush, and these things were scrapped due to time constraints.

    If you ask me, I kind of wish RS had turned out like this. GSC would've gotten their sequels, and we would've been spared from poorly-done Gen 1 remakes. Plus, I think having Johto in the postgame may have softened the blow from the compatibility cut. It would've reassured people that the franchise wasn't rebooting and that the previous games still existed, despite the lack of compatibility.

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    Well Bulbapedia has them as having come from Olivine (not sure where they got from...may be from the anime and was interpreted as game canon like Rocket creating Mewtwo or Lugia being the Bird trio's master has been.) Though Olivine fits well. I mean it fits several Gen III themes such as being between both land and sea. Also Olivine (at least in English) is a material deep in the ground and is the most common in real life and is formed by hot magmas. Also the town has a the first Steel specialist and the champ of Hoenn is the second (and it being a port fits with Wallace). Also the Ship...S.S. Aqua. If they remake HgSs again I hope they make it so Team Aqua worked on the ship.
    Yeah, that's probably fanon, although it does make a lot of sense. I'd like to see references to this in a future Gen 1 game. (Hell, it should've been in HGSS, themselves.)
  10. Cerberus87
    January 3rd, 2015 10:23 PM
    Cerberus87
    Oh, and I don't know if you know this, but the GBA wasn't supposed to have the short lifespan it had. I heard Nintendo wished for the DS to be a parallel line to the Game Boy devices. But the DS was so well received that they ended up killing the GBA and focusing on the DS instead.
  11. Cerberus87
    January 3rd, 2015 09:47 PM
    Cerberus87
    I had this idea in older gens. I think even Drayano in his hacks didn't give him ES (IIRC Pidgeot is basically a bulkier Staraptor in his hacks).
  12. BettyNewbie
    January 3rd, 2015 08:47 PM
    BettyNewbie
    Those names are fine.

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    That's true...but it'll still be it'll need to be something like Johto as something like the Sevii islands can be considered part of Kanto even though it's a mini region (like wise the Battle zones in Sinnoh are considered part of Sinnoh even though they're their own sub region...) I wanted Johto to appear in ORAS tbh.
    Well, the Sevii Islands wouldn't have been a part of Kanto if they had been introduced in RSE.

    However, I would've preferred revisiting Johto, myself. GSC deserved their own "3 years later" sequels, and May/Brendan actually moved to Hoenn from Johto in canon, anyways; we could've learned what their hometown was.
  13. Cerberus87
    January 3rd, 2015 04:16 PM
    Cerberus87
    The only speedy move it has is Quick Attack. And Agility.
  14. BettyNewbie
    January 3rd, 2015 12:46 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    I read your newest post in your FC thread. I find it full of character. However, are the orbs the same ones the Hoenn trio uses? If so then the third one is the Jade orb (in Japan the Green orb while the Red is called Crimson, and the Blue one Indigo...and I must say Crimson Red and Indigo Blue would be awesome titles). I do see that you're trying to fit them in with the birds colors though.
    The Blue/Yellow/Red Orbs have nothing to do with the Weather Trio (who wouldn't be in the game at all). They are based on the orbs from the second movie which summon Lugia when placed together. The idea was to merge the plot with the games'--Instead of Lawrence III, the villain is Archer, and instead of Shamouti Island, it's an expanded Navel Rock (Ho-Oh would be placed elsewhere).

    Archer wants to summon Lugia to catch the attention of and impress Giovanni (who went missing after being defeated at his Gym), and he, along with Ariana, Petrel, and Proton have stolen the Orbs from the three smaller islands surrounding Navel Rock. (Later on, you can find the Mega Stones of Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres on those islands, as well as the Pokémon, themselves, if you didn't catch or defeat them in Kanto.)

    So, you like my story? I think I'll go repost it in the Gen 1 remake thread.

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    I think though that we can blame the change of the coding language between the two systems (GBC and GBA) for the lack of transfers from Kanto and Johto games thus pushing them to remake Kanto to compliment Hoenn's dex. GF likely didn't want to put all 300 plus mons in a single region (Only Kanto's Gen I games had all known mons in one region) even with exclusives.
    Which is why RSE should've had a second postgame region. There was nothing stopping them from putting either the Sevii Islands or even, Johto in RSE, where all of the non-Hoenn Dex Pokémon could've been easily placed. Gen 1 remakes weren't needed.

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    Also who is to say that if GF didn't do FrLg in the GBA that they'll even think of making them...for all we know they may barely be making FrLg now.
    Well, 2006 would've marked the 10th anniversary of the original games, and 2008 would've been the 10th anniversary of JP Yellow, Int Red/Blue, and the start of Pokémania, so who's to say that they wouldn't have remade Gen 1 for that occasion? Plus, GB/C compatibility was lost with the DS (the GBA could still play the old games, even if they couldn't trade with RSE), so it literally wouldn't have been possible to play Gen 1 (or Gen 2) anymore, which is a good enough excuse for a remake on its own.
  15. BettyNewbie
    January 2nd, 2015 10:40 PM
    BettyNewbie
    Yes, HGSS and ORAS follow the two console later pattern, but FRLG doesn't. You can see this in the fact that unlike HGSS and ORAS, the games can be played on the same handheld as the originals and less than 10 years separate RBY from FRLG.

    The GB/C was a very long-lived handheld (mostly thanks to the success of Pokémon), so it straddles both the 4th and 5th gaming Generations.

    Face it, FRLG were made too early and should've been done on the DS.

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I'm looking for some good books to read over the summer. What books would you recommend me to read?
Also what is your favorite book to read?
What's the most memorable scene from a book that you remember?

Posted April 23rd, 2011 at 02:20 PM by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire Comments 11
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So serebii has anounced a new pokemon game...I sure hope that it's either the third version or maybe it's Hoenn remakes, what do you guys think it might be? What do you hope is in it?

Posted April 8th, 2011 at 04:36 PM by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire Comments 4
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So I'm thinking of making several new characters for a story I plan on publishing but it's hard to think of many unique characters so I thought that I should ask PC members for ideas since they are so different themselves. Please fill in this layout if you want to help me make characters for this story.


Name:
Gender:
Age (can only be 13, 14 or 15)
Personality:
Magical type (any element from Earth to Space):
Weapons:
Other trivia:

Posted April 8th, 2011 at 04:29 PM by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire Comments 2
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Hey I'm new to this whole blog thing...
So how exactly does this work?
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