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smurf October 30th, 2012 3:50 PM

Black and White 2 GYMS
alright guys i was just wondering if anyone else felt the same way i did anout the new gym leaders. Honestly i think there horrible now not the fact that i dont like the gym leaders or there personality's but they just were not what i though they would be like. when i think of a gym leader i think of tough trainers but i had a harder time beating some wild pokemon then i did the new Leaders so guys give me your opinion on what you think of the new leaders and there pokemon.

Castform October 30th, 2012 3:59 PM

I do LOVE the new leaders. How can anyone hate them?

Syltti October 30th, 2012 4:03 PM

I was surprised to see Cheren as a Gym Leader. Didn't even recognize him the first time I saw the animated trailer. As far as difficulty goes with Cheren and Roxie, I had little to none due to my having a Riolu, and a Lucario just before fighting Roxie, so those battles were easy. Marlon.. I started with Snivy, and also had a Lilligant, so he was a joke.

I liked all three, personally, because they (Cheren and Marlon, mostly) get a nice deal of screen time outside of their Gyms.

rizoph October 30th, 2012 4:13 PM

I had little to no trouble, but that's probably because I used a legendary from a mystery gift.

Sverige October 30th, 2012 4:45 PM

I really liked the water gym and the leader. Not fussed at all about Cheren, however.

Lord Varion October 30th, 2012 5:18 PM

I didn't like Cheren as a Gym Leader.
I thought he would at least be the 8th Gym Leader.
In BW 1 he was soooo close to being champion.
And now, he's got level ten pokémon and teaches. ._.
What the heck, Cheren? What? The? HEEECK?

Kenshin5 October 30th, 2012 5:34 PM

I don't have a problem with the new Gym Leaders or their personalities. We can criticize their battle prowess but look at were they are in the point of game you are at. Cheren is literally in your home town. I don't think a player has ever been able to fast a Gym leader as soon as you faced Cheren. Also for Cheren it seems he was "given" the pokemon or didn't have them very long. He mentions if he had his other team it would be a cake walk or something to that extent. So he is/was limited to pokemon he just obtained, so I'd cut him some slack cause by PWT time he seems to at least have an adequate team vs. Plasma for what he was given. Roxie is the second leader so she isn't that strong for me either especially considering pokemon available at Virbrank Complex and access to Riolu early on(same applies to Cheren in this case). So if you say there are easy then don't use Fighting or Steel on respective gyms. Marlon is okay as well so I don't see an issue with him, he is just as good as Wallace/Juan who I thought were "okay" . If you want to gauge the ability on the leaders then just face them in PWT for Leader or Type expert rounds.

morrison October 31st, 2012 4:15 AM

I think the first half of Gym leaders were pretty hard to beat- well seeing the team I had (plant 2*water, 2*electro 1 flying)

Blue October 31st, 2012 7:30 AM

I really like them, particularly Roxie. They seem different to the average Gym Leaders.. I don't know how but there's something about them that I like.

Syltti October 31st, 2012 7:51 AM


Originally Posted by Nintendork15 (Post 7391567)
I didn't like Cheren as a Gym Leader.
I thought he would at least be the 8th Gym Leader.
In BW 1 he was soooo close to being champion.
And now, he's got level ten pokémon and teaches. ._.
What the heck, Cheren? What? The? HEEECK?

Considering Cheren changed his outlook in BW, kinda makes sense that he'd become a teacher.

Charicific October 31st, 2012 7:51 AM

Well, I chose Snivy as my starter, and I gotta say, I was literary screwed in the first 3 gyms. Cheren Work Up and bulky Pokemons are immune to my weak Snivy's Attacks...even with using Growth. Roxie was much more terrible to face, if it wasn't for the Growlithe I caught the the Virbank Complex, I wouldn't have progressed at all.
As for Marlon, he was fairly easy, probably due to advantage. Nevertheless, I totally love those new Gym Leaders. I won't talk about strength here, since it depends on how you directed your own game. I loved each and everyone's Gym and liked battling them as well.

Did you choose Tepig as your starter? :3

PlatinumDude October 31st, 2012 9:04 AM

It was an interesting twist to see Cheren become a Gym Leader. I was okay with Roxie and Marlon replacing the Striaton triplets and Lenora, though. Roxie's secondary occupation is very interesting too, and I also like how Cheren helps you throughout the game.

Correspondence October 31st, 2012 10:12 AM

The new Gym leaders were definitely different from the others.Roxie is definitely my favorite and it was good to see Cheren as a Gym leader.Marlon's accent was a bit hard to get used to though.

morrison October 31st, 2012 10:43 AM

In the German version the wild west guy(is this Marlon can't remember) doesn't have an accent. Only person with an accent in the game is in the pokewood studios one of the females has an english accent :lol:

Katamari October 31st, 2012 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Nintendork15 (Post 7391567)
I didn't like Cheren as a Gym Leader.
I thought he would at least be the 8th Gym Leader.
In BW 1 he was soooo close to being champion.
And now, he's got level ten pokémon and teaches. ._.
What the heck, Cheren? What? The? HEEECK?

He mentions at some point in the game about battling with his 'real' team, I don't think it was worded like that but it was implied he still had his original team from Black and White. Given that he's a new leader, it makes sense that he'd start off as the first gym. And frankly I found him difficult. His freaking Lillipup u_u

I really liked the leaders, though. Roxie had a really cool personality, she was very level-headed. And Marlon's just... Marlon, lol.

I loved the gym redesigns too. Detested Clay's, that was so annoying, but gyms that stick out that I particularly enjoyed were Roxie's, Burgh's, Elesa's, Drayden's, and Marlon's.

chella182 October 31st, 2012 11:20 AM

Cheren: Easy with my Riolu
Roxie: Slightly more challenging with the Poisoning thing, however I had a Magnemite, so it wasn't too strenuous
Marlon: I thought he was going to be a bit of a nightmare with that Jellicent, but nah, Virizion knocked out his Carracosta quickly, Ampharos took down Wailord in 1 hit, and Ampharos took down Jellicent in two hits, after having Discharge disabled.

So in terms of "easiness", they were all easy, however I haven't struggled with any of the gyms 'cause I usually go in levelled up to two levels higher than their highest levelled Pokémon.

In terms of design and personality, I love Roxie and Marlon. Cheren still kind of bores me a bit though.

Satoshi Ookami November 1st, 2012 3:05 AM


Originally Posted by Nintendork15 (Post 7391567)
I didn't like Cheren as a Gym Leader.
I thought he would at least be the 8th Gym Leader.
In BW 1 he was soooo close to being champion.
And now, he's got level ten pokémon and teaches. ._.
What the heck, Cheren? What? The? HEEECK?

Well he has his team on Route 5 if you activate Memory Link =)

On topic... I like new leaders because I LOVE Homika :D
On terms of easiness... I have never thought that Gym Leaders were hard and it did not change...
Not to mention we had access to Riolu/Lucario. No point arguing, that was the key :D

morrison November 1st, 2012 5:24 AM

I don't like Riolu so I didnt have him.

WeGotTheJazz November 1st, 2012 11:32 AM

I'll agree that none of the gym leaders really had any personality. The gym designs more than made up for them though! Seriously, best gyms of the series bar none.

mysticflower November 1st, 2012 11:38 AM

Usually I find gym leaders don't have much personality, but I love Roxie, and they seem to have built on Elesa's character more too. I have never been so attached to a gym leader as Roxie!

I was surprised that Cheren was the first gym leader as I thought he would be one of the later ones, but it was fun feeling like you were facing a gym early on due to it being in your home town.

Destructor November 2nd, 2012 10:17 AM

Cheren should have been at least in the E4
I love Roxie
I love Marlon, I love his personality and his gym.

Team wise
Cheren having Lillipup and Patrat sickens me as that's the same team as the other two trainers. The addition of Pidove is tolerable

Roxie having Koffing and Whirlipede is fine. I love them both. The addition of Grimer is lovely and I say blah to the people who think it should be Trubbish.

Marlon I'm saddened by. Wailord doesn't seem last gymish, and Mantine as the added Pokemon is horrid. I really would prefer seeing Starmie and Vaporeon used instead.

Time outside gym is lovely. They all get it, especially Cheren and I'm glad because of that.

Forever November 15th, 2012 8:47 PM

Yeah they were pretty easy tbh, with Marlon being the easiest. I didn't mind though, I just wanted the exp and I overgrinded anyway. :x Marlon as a character was quite strange though lmao.

ChaosZX November 15th, 2012 8:51 PM

It's simple, don't power level.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ November 21st, 2012 7:18 AM

When I first saw Cheren as a gym leader, that was a smack in the face for me. I like that he is a gym leader because it shows that a trainer that begun his journey as a Pokemon trainer can work really hard and in a few years he can become a gym leader. The only problem I have with him is the fact that he was an excellent rival and he becomes the weakest gym leader in Unova--kind of an insult if you ask me. Roxie, I actually like her design and the fact that she has a Koffing (which she obviously caught South from Virbank City), the only problem I had with her was the same annoying song that was playing in her gym over and over again. Marlon was an okay gym leader; he was too easy in my opinion maybe because of the fact that I had an Amphros and I kept spamming Thunderbolt on his Pokemon.


SilverAbsol November 21st, 2012 1:45 PM

I found Marlon to be quite disappointing as the final stepping stone towards the Elite 4. Drayden to me proved much more of a challenge than Marlon did, and I didn't really train up much after beating Drayden and I breezed through Marlon.
He seems popular around here though, but to me he was just a huge disappointment of a character.

I would have prefered if they had let Cheren take the last Gym Leader slot, would have made more sense in my mind.

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