Aesthetics of Unova Dex?
This is kinda just a little discussion thread of what Pokemon (plural) you like best aesthetically in the Unova Dex. Meaning not caring about stats, or how well they do competitively, or how popular they are. It's just a question of personal aesthetic from Unova fans and haters alike - mainly because the Pokemon's designs are something that regularly gets bashed, and it honestly gets annoying when the reason stated is "because it just looks ugly" or the like. It's a discussion of why you think Trubbish/Garbador are terrible even though they are just callbacks to Grimer/Muk (and to me, better designed and more interesting callbacks).
My aesthetic generally leans towards strange/cute Pokemon. From Swampert to Pikachu, I love a lot of Pokemon. (Even Simisage, but only because it sports a wicked pompadour and pompadours are amazing?) The only ones I seem to not like are ones that don't feel imaginative - compare Durant and Emolga. Emolga is, for one, really cute and also actually screams "electric! flying! squirrel!" while still having that Pokemon look (even if it is just electric because of the colored cheeks that remind you of Pikachu). Durant, is well... "is that a steel ant? Why is it so ant-y?" It doesn't feel like a creative and cool design, and is too much like the original ant template (to me).
Are there any other Pokemon you feel also fit the "unimaginative" bill, or fit your "AWESOME." bill? Do you think it would be better if a Pokemon's colors were switched around? Or do you just want to challenge me on my thinking that Trubbish/Garbador is well-designed? |3
(couldn't find a recent thread on this or one specifically about legit aesthetics so)
When I first booted up Pokèmon White, I genuinely thought that nearly every Pokèmon was a callback to Generation I (as well as a few from II). Frankly, I adore it. The designs of multiple Pokèmon are simply glorious;
These are a few of my personal favorites.
The dragons in particular show how advanced the dragon designs have come, since the days of Dratini - Dragonair - Dragonite.
Those are my two-cents on the matter; Unova Pokèmon have been done well (except for Coffagrigus, that's just scary).
Note: I agree with your opinion about Trubbish & Garbador.
Ooh. :0 All the Pokemon you've linked have really great color schemes that mix very very well. My only complaint is the possible overuse of either lines/scales or the color yellow in Haxorus. I can only assume you like the more kickbutt Pokemon from your choices, seeing as the immediate Pokemon all have claws, fierce expressions, and dark color schemes.
I kinda disagree with the "how far they've come" statement, however. Kanto had a lot of fairly simple Pokemon, the most detailed being like Omastar, Mewtwo or Venasaur. Unova Pokemon are a lot more detailed - especially with their dragon types. However, designwise, being more detailed doesn't make something automatically better. A plain teacup and a teacup with a doily under it is still a teacup; one's just more shmancy.
Also, Cofagrigus is kinda spooky, haha! But I can't deny it doesn't have a beast color scheme (why again can't I remember another Pokemon with those hues? It's a really good combo). The Pokemon as a whole, however, just reminds me of that one episode where Ash got possessed or something and it was really cheesy.
Note: Thank you.
The scales are rather prominent, but hasn't Unova always struck you as a "rough" region? Given how many things may outright kill you, it seems appropriate for certain Pokèmon to be bred for the harshest of conditions (a lovely re-occuring theme).
In regards to the "kickbutt" note; I'm actually a sucker for the adorable ones (currently EV training a Minccino, solely because of how fantastic it looks ^_^.).
Oh no, I wasn't stating that the Unova Pokèmon are inherently superior!
I was simply stating that given the possible color palletes back in the days of Gen I & II, it is interesting to note that so many "eye-popping" colors with subtle hues are being utilized. Using as much of a systems resources as is necessary, that's all I meant (sorry for improperly phrasing it).
It's just so... yellow... xD
And aha, that's kinda adorable. I actually find cuteness in everything so I can just say I love all cute things (Swampert and Haxorus are pretty adorbs). And Minccino do look so cute! I actually have a plushie of one beside me right now. Despite how poorly made it is, it has a big smile and fluffyness that just makes me want to huggle it forever. (2much?)
Whoops. I was only trying to imply you implied only Unova dragons were superior. My bad.
But in all seriousness, thanks for clarifying, haha. I can definitely see what you mean now. Kanto had some very rich colors - see Dragonite's bright tan-orange versus Haxorus medium yellow ochre. There's a big difference - but you also have to consider the design overall. Dragonite was a super happy dragon and was designed to be kind of plump and cute, even if it was a monster in battle and ate you every time you tried to touch the Elite Four. Newer Pokemon are a tad less... I'll use "childish", minding the negative connotation. Especially in your examples, Dragon-types have gotten quite a bit more threatening - meaning, like, all of the Unova Dragon-types (final evos) are just more ~manry and cool.
Hydreigon, Druggidon, Haxorus, even the legendaries are all fairly threatening (even if Reshiram kind of looks like a squishy pillow?)
(Not at all, I actually ordered one online a while ago; just something to put on my shelf when I'm home ill :D ).
It is also interesting to note the influences of Unova's dragons.
Dragonite was, if anything, a European inspired dragon.
Seeing as we know that Gyarados was originaly intended to be the Gen I "Japanese" dragon, alongside Dragonite as the "European" dragon.
((This is a reference to the story in Japanese lore, which Magikarp is based off of. Essentially, once one swims to the top of a specific waterfall, it is turned into a flying dragon)).
Yet Unova is certainly taking Western cues in it's dragon-designs.
Oh yes, they are absolutely threatening.
Though given how all of Unova seems to be one massive creepypasta, it's not unexpected (The though has crossed my mind, than I realized that I don't want to be killed by a giant fire-breathing dragon :laugh: ).
(2something is a meme. Oops.)
Very true. Granted, most of Unova's Pokemon's designs (and well, design overall) are very Americanized. The game is specifically based on America (New York City was a big inspiration, I believe?), rather than one of the regions of Japan like many of the others. Consequently, lots of the Dragons are bipedal. And Hydreigon might be just a bit too plump to be considered Chinese dragon-like, even with the right arms, legs and tail?
Fun fact: Yamask is the reincarnation of a dead person that has all of its memories. Sometimes it looks at its mask (its human face) and cries.
You are entirely right about Unova being based on New York.
Most Japanese dragons are water deities associated with rainfall and bodies of water, and are typically depicted as large, wingless, serpentine creatures with clawed feet.
In regards to Unovas dragons, they are certainly more Western than Eastern.
RE: Unova is modeled after New York. The Relic Castle consists of two, broken towers. The Ghost type Yamask and Coffagrigus can be found inside. Yamask is said to be a human soul that remembers when it was alive, carries a mask that used to be its face, and cries over being dead. And now, it haunts The Relic Castle, which, as stated earlier, consists of two broken, burned down towers, in a fictional region based off of New York. Let that sink in for a second.
Its evolution Coffagrigus is no better- it eats humans and turns them into mummies like Yamask. Now you know how these guys reproduce!
And you can breed them!
To make things a little clearer, Route 4 and Resort Desert are said to be Ground Zero.
That's why Yamask & Coffagrigus horrify me!
I was referring to how most Chinese dragon depictions - at least the ones you will see most often - are extremely snakelike, but some do have stubby little arms and legs. Hydreigon kinda fits the bill, but it's Dante-ized* and quite big for a snake.
*Devil had three heads.
Actually, what do you think of the extremely common three-heads theme in Pokemon? Is it better that Pokemon seems to be moving away from it? They made Magneton into Magnezone, and I can only remember one three-header (the one mentioned above) in Unova off the top of my head. What do you think it did aesthetically for the Pokemon? o_o I think it was cool on Exeggutor, but otherwise, to me, it seems only as an excuse to build another evo out of the same mold.
And. Uh. Wow. I did not know that was what the Relic Castle was based off of. That's, well, that's more than spooky.
(You are referring to Durante degli Alighieri's depiction of Satan? With 3 heads, chewing on Judas, Brutus & Cassius?)
I rather enjoy the theme, given the "3-form" limit of all Pokèmon, three-heads seems like a logical conclusion. Though it has been cheaply utilized for creating of multiple evolutions.
Ah, yes, Unova is full of creepypastas, seriously... (this example is on-topic in regards to aesthetics).
As is typical for the series, the Pokédex provides this... and not just Defanged Horrors either.
"The fate of the ships and crew that wander into Jellicent's habitat: all sunken, all lost, all vanished." ~ Jellicent's PokéDex entry.
You would think something that looks so frilly and harmless would have much more cheerful Pokédex entries...
The White Pokédex entry states that "Their favorite food is life energy." Cross that with the scary Black Pokédex entry.
It gets worse; they were originally created to be pure Water-type Pokémon, with innocent connections to princes and princesses, but Game Freak made them Darker and Edgier by adding a Ghost-type to them.
It gets worse than that. Jellicent is 7'3" tall. Imagine: a 7'3" tall ghostly jellyfish/water demon causing ships to crash and crew members to vanish (or drown).
Frillish is no saint, either. Frillish (who's only 3'11) paralyzes its victims with poison, then drags them five miles below the surface. The funny part is, you never actually have to cross the sea with surf, so it is possible to beat the game without encountering them. In the gate before their area the guy even says there is nothing to see ahead. That is to say the people are purposely keeping kids away from them.
The real horror? Every game before this one has a large sea area with lots of swimmers but here? Only 1 place full of daring swimmers close to what might be an Eldritch Location/God's summer house. Oh and also unlike every previous generation there are no ships around. Reality Subtext to since some jellyfish spawn in such numbers around Japan to be pretty devastating
Worse still, Frillish and Jellicent are both Ghost-types, so any attempt by humans to fight them off without Pokémon would be completely futile. Imagine vainly attempting to fight one off as it drags you to the depths paying no attention to your struggles.
Haha, I like it better when it goes one-two-three, like Hydreigon - however, Hydreigon did add a lot onto its previous evos unlike most of the other three-headers! For starts, it finally got a face! (However, the middleman, Zweilous, could have been a lot more interesting. It is just a bridge and it is disappointing!)
Oh god it's Lost Silver all over again. It's really interesting how designs match up with backstories - Pokemon or otherwise. Jellicent and Frillish really are, well, frilly and squishy/cute like real jellyfish. But real jellyfish are also a big problem as well!
This makes me think of something to try and get away those terrifying stories (which might be a good idea for a thread! :0). What do you think of Pokemon that are really closed to the real life animal (or even myth) they are based off of? I've already commented that I like more imaginative designs better (cough Durant! >:C). You? Or anyone else that wants to comment on this thread? (It's not just me and Gideon, guise.)
As well as the severely diminished mental prowess upon evolving.
It's as if nature wants to turn it into a mindless killing machine.
Lost Silver... >_>.
*is genuinely afraid*
Frankly, I adore those which are based off of actual animals, as well as true-to-the-story mythological designs. Though, some of the imaginative designs are glorious.
Milotic is a perfect example of imaginative design.
It's a mixture of a sea-serpent, siren, Mermaid & Melusine.
Through it's actual design, as well as it's stats, description & initial evolutionary path.
((Sorry, I just adore the topic of aesthetics.))
While I'll end up replying later properly, for now I just want to remind the thread to stick to discussing Unova mons aesthetics and not ones from other regions. :)
Oh geeze, I goofed with the Gen III Pokèmon.
Well, I've said a bit much here as it is, so I'll finish with this.
Golurk is a wondrous Generation V design, in my opinion.
It's as some sort of magical golem, but clearly biological due it naturally appearing in Dragonspiral Tower & Victory Road (B2/W2).
Milotic is a good example. This is a BW thread? xD
But some of the designs just... aren't that creative to me in BW. I mean, their colors may be gorgeous, and their designs sensical and clever... but it doesn't have that Pikachu glow, or that Milotic beauty!
Ducklett and Swanna. Nice, fitting, sharp colors. The ugly duckling becomes a beautiful swan. They are drawn like Pokemon. Why don't they feel like Pokemon? Well, let me compare Altaria, who reminds me a lot of Swanna. It has more going for it than "oh that's a stylized bird drawing." Its body is a cloud, for one (hipster Altaria snarks at Cloudy Unova Trio).
Leavanny is a good example of this. She's made of leaves, so what? Well, she makes her own clothes of leaves, as well. Also, it's very humanoid (contrasts nature and humanity for brownie points!). And this might be irrelevant, but one interpretation of its name is "leaf nanny", which makes perfect sense - especially since it's (EXCUSE THE POSSIBLE SEXISM) very womanly shaped!
Also, Garbador makes trash look good.
(No no, you're fine! I'm just eager to have a big discussion with lots of opinions. xD)
edit: I was ninja'd! Twice! You're totally right, by the way. It even has a mechanical feel due to the coloring, the sort of "armor" skirt, and the bandaid on the chest. (I'm calling it a bandaid.) I have seen some hate on it for having an unproportionally sized head, however. :/
Gonna just string together a bunch of observations, since right-off-the-top-of-my-head seems to be the best approach to this, to me, interesting topic:
(spoilered this because it's far too long - you have been warned :D)
Wow okay! I think I'm only going to fight with you a bit over some things that had confused me - not in your post of course, but with the designs themselves and some points you... pointed out.
Garbador is kinda cute to me! It does have those Grimer-eyes that aren't necessarily adorable, but the mouth is what does it for me. It's so cartoony, even for a Pokemon, and it just looks like he's trying a bit too hard to be threatening! (Otherwise I'm confused about the muffin-pigtails on its head. Are those supposed to be like explosions, or trees?)
Lilligant is so beautiful. D: She really is like the Southern Belle Pokemon - especially compared to edgy, mysterious Roserade (and even gloomy-colored Vileplume).
I rather enjoy Cinccino's animation! It makes it look a lot more bouncy and energetic. I do agree with you about the awkward placement and connection of the top... hair/fur what-have-yous. And I have never seen one come out of a premier ball. Though you do seem to be fairly concerned/obsessed? with the specific types of Pokeballs your Pokemon are caught in. Are you just that well knowledged in the subject matter? Haha.
I'm really confused as to how you got that about Excadrill, actually. Unless, you mean by rumpled, his/its markings? I can not see where its skin sags - at least not in his sprites. I suppose I could see that at the top, where the awkwardly positioned claw? horn? is, but where else?
Scrafty disappointed me. I was really excited by Scraggy's design - it looked like a good, first-evo Pokemon that could evolve into something silly! But then Scrafty is really edgy and cool (see mohawk, eyeshadow, and the baggy pants don't help either). It's terrible seeing that adorable thing grow up like that! D=
Druddigon annoys me in the eyes. Its color combinations just irritate me. It's fairly obvious to see that they clash - the red and blue. The red and the yellow don't work, but the blue and the yellow do. It's a really confusing and unharmonic color scheme that just kind of splatters red everywhere unnecessarily. The wings are also a little disappointing - but as you said, and as I agree, it looks like it was designed by a child.
I like to think of the Vanillite line as mutant ice cream cones, personally.
Even if Axew turns into a monster, it is understandble, isn't it? In that even Dragons don't start out big and strong (see Dratini); they have to grow up first! However, I agree with you on the kind of haphazard connections between evolutions. The sudden and unsuspected muted yellow ochre is really only okay on Haxorus when you don't put it next to its pre-evos. Then it just looks like that one really awkward in-law...
Galvantula is probably my one exception to the "it looks too much like a real animallll" rule because of the color scheme it kinda shares with Cofagrigus. Yellow and blue just makes me swoon.
Purrloin really disappoints me - less so Liepard. It is a Dark-type version of Skitty. Um? I feel they could have been a bit more into the imaginative part here - Skitty sorta reminded you of a cat. Meowth was a Lucky Cat (like you put in front of your stores). Purrloin is a cat. I feel they might have been able to try for a more Cheshire Cat look with the line, akin to Gengar - especially since both are purple (at least in the Disney version). Purrloin's even a dark-type! It would make the evolution line a lot more appealing and fitting, at least to me - plus kudos for callbacks to Gengar?
I'm not quite sure what to say about Reshiram. For Zekrom, who looks like an epic transformer, the tail might even fit - and a viable replacement for it might be something like electric mecha wings, hahaha. But for Reshiram, who's supposed to be the natural, fluffy one; I couldn't think of a suitable replacement. Its wings couldn't be on fire - that's Moltres' thing. There's not much else to do other than stick it on its tail - and they can't steal Charizard's thang.
A couple that I missed in that mega post and noted things about later:
Audino - Audino's a nice design. Emphasis on the word "nice." It's sort of like a cross between Winnie the Pooh and Mr. Rogers, and it even looks like it's wearing a Mr. Rogers-style cardigan sweater. And that sort of empty-headed, hopeful smile it has fits it so perfectly.
Krookodile is another great design. Sandile is okay, but nothing special, though it does get points for being so exactly what it is. Krokorok is better, and fits into the evolutionary line well - it's getting a bit of an attitude, but it's a defensive, glowering, arms-crossed sort of an attitude. Like it's trying to be badass but just isn't that sure of itself yet. Krookodile though - that's a pokemon that just can't wait to tear things up.
More if I think of them....
I'll try not to make my post as long as the others :P
Off the top of y head, here are some I really like!:
Golurk: (this was obvious) It's awesome. It has a great color scheme, the turquoise is really cool for a gollum pokemon, as I would have thought one of those would be brown and crumbly. Golurk also has that awesome band across its chest, which gives it an air of power and awesomeness. Also, I love its tiny head in comparison to it's body, it's cute and funny! :D Golurk's eyes are also cool as they're kind of derpy :DDD The fact that it lights up with energy makes it look BA, as well as those bands around it's wrists and ankles
Whimsicott: This thing is absolutely adorable. It's a huge ball of fluff, and is a great change from cottonee, who was just weird looking in my opinion. It's got the happiest face and IT'S SO FLUFFY OMG. I also love it's little ear thingies :D
Sigilyph: This thing is super awesome looking. It's like a billion times better version of unown. I love how it's a flying heiroglyph combined with a clay pot! And it's the fact that it's one-eyed is just... awesome! Also, it looks amazing as an animated sprite, as it's like a 3D heiroglyph which makes it even cooler. I also think it's a really creative design
Frillish (female): I prefer this version of frillish to the other, as frillish male has a tomato for a head. Anyway, frillish female is awesome! It looks ghostly - but happy, which is refreshing due to all the mean-spirited or sad looking ghost types we have floating around. The design is just plain awesome to be honest, it's simple but cool, with frillish floating up and down, and just looking COOL
Bouffalant: It has an afro, 'nuf said. Just kidding, but the afro is definitely the best part! This bull looks like it means serious business, and the afro it has is just all sorts of amazing. It's a simple pokemon with one cool feature, which is nice in a region with many complex designs. AFROS
I'll do some I like too ^^ and some I don't lol
Serperior- I love the elegance of it. Reminds me of dragonair, whom I've always thought was the most beautiful Pokemon :D
Emboar- love the name and love to watch his beard of fire
Dewott- love his whiskers, they add a lot i think and he looks like he's wearing shorts with shells for weapons lol
Samurott- his helmet rules. It's perfect protection and a weapon. And his mustache and beard make him look wise and weathered without looking old.
Zebstrika- love the threatening appearance of its stripes and mane
Gigalith- kind or reminds me of what I liked about metagross. Threatening four legged walker hewn from unnatural material. I want the shiny so bad lol
Scolipede- I'm fascinated by this because centipedes are my worst fear. But I'd love to watch one of these in battle. Watching all of those legs go to work and the quick slithering movements... Captivating!
Whimsicott- some mentioned this but I agree. It's so adorable and fluffy!!! Little stubby arms and legs make it more so lol
Krookodile- love this guys animations. It's perfectly crocodilian and Pokemon at the same time and simple yet powerful. Feraligatr was a perfectly complex crocodilian on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Dweble- I like crustaceans. And this guy is too cute and very Clever I think
Tirtouga&carracosta- nice representations of sea turtles. Like the armored look. Just a powerful appearance in more than one way.
Emolga- omg the cuteness lol I don't find many of the electric or water rodents cute but wow and the glider aspect is awesome.
Escavalier- it's a snail and roman helmet. It's lances. Looks like its ready to charge full speed lances raised into its foes. Very dangerous.
Galvantula- nice coloring and perfect for an electric spider. It's furry so it's different enough from ariados who I also love that I'd put them both on a bug team.
Eelectross- I like the colors and serpentine body. And the arms and fins make it have a predatory element. Like all those claws and teeth are ready to sink in and shock anything
Axew- soooook cuuuuut it is like a puppy lol. I think fraxure looks like an airplane though xD fans are much too big. Haxorus is perfectly nice by resembling a dragon yet not too much so it's still unique from other dragons
Cubchoo- another cute one lol I want to snuggle it xD just have to give it some mucinex lol
Druddigon- I agree he's a bit childish and reminds me of what happened when I tried to use that crayon melting thing as a child xD but idk hes his own thing and I like the very rough spiky skin
Bisharp- I picked her for my team almost entirely because of her appearance. I like blades and spikes if u haven't noticed lol. I love the cleverness of its animations. Like its ordering other pawniard to attack like its pokedex entry. Or when a foe faints like its saying you're done. Muahahahaha
Braviary- an incredible design that I wish had its own signature move but nonetheless it's very Americanized and patriotic, perfect for an America based region
Terrakion- I like how it's so strong and noble looking. Something I'd ride. Just the horns really give it a nice defensive look
Yeah really the only design I strongly hate is simipour. I don't like monkeys and hate the hairdo and waving lol
I like it how the Unova mon's used earthy colors this time around espcially in pokemon such as Haxorus and Terrakion.
Vanilluxe- I wish they didn't put the straw into it's design...it's kind of creepy imo.
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