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Frost Mage April 17th, 2013 4:23 PM

Is cloning cheating?
So I've recently obtained a few cloned shinies through trading, and while they were clearly not hacked, I started to wonder about the legitimacy of this practice. Sure it's just an exact copy for someone else to have, but cloning is putting far more shinies out there, and making the need to soft-reset/RNG far smaller. What do you think, is it cheating/cheap?

Cyclone April 17th, 2013 4:47 PM

This is a debatable question. If it's an Event, many do not see it as cheating, but even in those cases some still think it is. Some will meanwhile clone Events but nothing else, because Events are Events (meant for everyone) and not everyone can get them (geographical region), so clones are a common practice. This is also the case with legendaries, even in-game ones that are game-exclusive.

Whether it's considered cheating is really a matter for an individual to decide.


Forever April 17th, 2013 5:00 PM

Just throwing this over to Pokemon Gaming Central because Fifth Generation pertains to questions which are specific to those games. This is a broad question, thus fits here! n_n

Yusshin April 17th, 2013 5:12 PM

I think it's cheating. You're duping the system into thinking that that Pokemon should exist more than once, when it shouldn't. It also dumbs down the rarity of certain event Pokemon, shiny Pokemon, high-IV Pokemon, etc. and if you will, it hurts the game's "economy."

It's like doubling an item in an MMORPG. Normally that's a ban-able offense for understandable reasons.

~RNC~ April 17th, 2013 5:38 PM

In my opinion it is not cheating, cloning only makes an Exactduplicate of the poke you are trading, so how does that make it cheating? You are not changing any thing about the pokemon itself, I mean if some one changed the moves or nature or any thing like that I would consider that cheating but not cloning ever.

JayD April 17th, 2013 5:44 PM

I would say yes, since you're doing an exact replica of a Pokemon that you already have instead of using the game's legit system to try and get the same Pokemon you're just cloning the Pokemon. The game itself doesn't talk about teaching you or even mention cloning at all, so it's basically cheating. It also make rare Pokemon less rare since no one is losing anything out of cloning.

Ludger April 17th, 2013 5:53 PM

As long as the Pokemon you're cloning was obtained legitimately, then it's fine. I don't care. I ain't about to RNG the same Pokemon over and over just to trade them to other people for them to use. I ain't about that life. If you don't like clones and don't think it's a good practice, don't go to the Trade Corner.

Pinta77 April 17th, 2013 5:55 PM

I think it's ok if you do it using a glitch, and not a gameshark or an action replay. Ya, I understand lots of people don't like it and I understand why, but I consider it cheating only if you use an external device.

When I learned about the duplicating glitch in emerald, I cloned my shiny azumarril a bunch. So if anyone happens to have an orange azumarril with the OT Max, well now you know where it came from ;)

Shadowraze April 17th, 2013 6:19 PM

Yes, I do think cloning is cheating instead of raising it you have to clone it to others. :/

~RNC~ April 17th, 2013 6:27 PM

Every one is going to have their own opinion on this, some think it's cheating and others do not, this will be a never ending discussion about this question.

tabor62 April 17th, 2013 6:47 PM

I have to agree with Sydian about cloning, I'm definitely not going keep RNGing the same Pokemon over and over again to offer in my shop. As for events, it really helps for people who can't get certain events. It would be near impossible to build up a substantial collection AND have events to trade to other people. As for making rare Pokemon less rare, yes, it does put more into circulation. However, unlike online MMOs, they have no virtual currency value. In addition, it helps out the people who cannot obtain the Pokemon themselves. A much better alternative to hacking and importing wondercards no?

Pichu2Pikachu2Raichu April 17th, 2013 6:54 PM

Hi tabor62 ^-^

IMO YES!! and YES it is and forever will be!

~RNC~ April 17th, 2013 6:59 PM

I am like I got it and can offer it weather it be a clone or not I am helping out a some one who needs what I have but still keeping it for myself.

Kitori April 17th, 2013 9:53 PM

Ehhh... it's hard to say, I guess. I think if you're an avid collector pretty much the only way you're going to be able to get a large collection of rare pokemon is if you're open to clones. I can see why people would think it's cheap or cheating, though, but I don't mind clones myself.

Brendino April 17th, 2013 11:01 PM

The only time I really clone is if I'm transferring a Pokemon from one generation to the next (III to IV, IV to V), just so I don't have to get rid of it from my original game. I don't see it as cheating, though, since clones are likely just of legitimate Pokemon, which I'd much rather have than a hacked individual.

Elaitenstile April 18th, 2013 12:51 AM

Yes, and I strongly believe so. Don't you think duplicating the hard work catching and raising Pokémon in an instant is bad? It is the path used by people who want to conserve their Pokémon for trade. How can you call it a 'trade' if you practically are not exchanging? Yes, cloning shouldn't be done.

Yankas April 19th, 2013 12:12 AM

Most definitely, there is no way to clone without using either a cheating device or abusing an exploit/glitch within the game.

Boilurn April 19th, 2013 5:47 PM

Good question. I think that Cloning shinies is perfectly acceptable and not cheating because there isn't much different in terms of the Pokemon's battling capabilities, as long as its moves and abilities remain the same. However, if we were cloning event Pokemon (Like for example, a Pikachu with the move Fly) then I think it would be cheating if we were cloning things like that.

tabor62 April 19th, 2013 5:55 PM

I fail to see any difference between cloning shinies and event Pokemon. You might say it's because of special event moves that they may have. But let's consider Pokemon like these. (Ignore the random Flying Pikachu mixed in with them :P) Completely normal other than being an event no?

Tyrael April 19th, 2013 6:10 PM

As far as i'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with cloning. It allows someone to be able to offer a great pokemon of theirs for anything that they might possibly need and not have to worry about having to get rid of that pokemon.

Cassiopeiia April 20th, 2013 4:16 PM

If you are using cloned Pokémon with perfectly legitimate stats and moves to battle with, would you, in the context of the battle, be cheating?
No you wouldn't, you would however be cheating if your Pokémon sported a move it should not be able to learn, for example.

In the context of in-game Pokémon collecting however, cloning is cheating because you are collecting your Pokémon by a use of methods not intended by Game Freak to be possible. They created the game and the rules, and by cloning, you are breaking them. Obviously it's cheating.

Whether it's an issue or not is a totally different question. Personally I don't think it's a problem more than using cheat codes in, say, the Sims is a problem. As long as those you trade with are aware it's a clone, and as long as you're not using your perfect IV clones to gain an upper hand in battle over honest breeders, there really is no problem at all. You're entitled to play the game the way you enjoy it the most as long as you don't interfere with others' experience. There's the GTS though, but oh well.

Treecko April 20th, 2013 6:43 PM

My friends and I would to clone Pokemon in Gold and Silver all the time, and we saw nothing wrong with it. If your cloning a Pokemon is for a event like the ones that happen in the Trade Corner in PC and they have legit stats,moves, etc , then I'd say no, it isn't cheating. It makes distribution of the Pokemon that are hard to get easier. As long as the Pokemon has legit stats and moves it can actually learn, I'm find with it.

Aslan April 22nd, 2013 12:36 AM

I guess you could argue both sides to this question. In a way it is technically cheating. Game Freak, like mentioned before never wanted you to use this sort of method while playing the game. Also, what about if you threw on a Master Ball on the Pokemon you were going to clone? Not only would you get a duplicate copy, but you'd get another Master Ball, which is not supposed to happen as a Master Ball is crowned as the ultimate Pokeball and was intended for one time use. But I'm not sure, from videos I've seen it's possible to clone items that are on the Pokemon.

However in another way it isn't cheating. I mean as long as you're not tacking on items like Master Balls, it's perfectly fine. They're still legitimate Pokemon as long as they have moves that can be learnt by them etc. And even though I don't RNG and am not a person who is a frequent trader, I would certainly clone than RNG over and over for the same Pokemon. I mean it saves time and effort and in a way it shouldn't be classified as 'cheating'. But that's my opinion on this. XD

Anszkz.DkLt May 3rd, 2013 3:26 PM

Even if it isn't done by using external devices to interfere with the games normal execution (e.g. AR, GS) it's still considered an exploitation of a bug and therefore by cloning, you're not only cheating the game and the developers but you're also cheating YOURSELF...

Meh, that's just my 2cents...

But i'm not saying that I'm against cloning (though I deem it more ethical if done without external devices).. Heck i've already got a bunch of Shiny legendaries that I trade for other shiny legendaries that I level up to 100 if they aren't already then trade them for other shinies. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Sheep May 3rd, 2013 4:22 PM

Well, cloning wasn't intended to be a method for players to use in their games, so in a way it is cheating. But I don't consider it cheating as much as using an Action Replay is, especially if you're closing Pokemon you got legitimately. It's a bit of both so I can't word my answer without it being confusing, haha. :[

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