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Splintey June 25th, 2013 6:31 AM

The "Pseudo" Starters

The Pan-Simi Family

The three monkeys introduced in the 5th gen are an interesting concept. I reffer to them as Pseudo starters due to their resemblance of the three basic starter types and How in B/W the first gym chooses their type according to your starter similar to the way your rival changes his starter in relation to yours (Typing Advantages).

The three monkeys are also capable of gaining abilities exclusive to themselves and the starter pokemon.

I made this thread to see how you guys reacted to seeing the monkey trio and I would like to hear from everyone how they feel about the following:

-Gym Leaders of Changing Elements
-Anything else anyone would like to add

Personally, I love the idea and think its a great way to counter your starters weakness and overall give a balanced structure to the team early on, But I think that the monkeys are a bit cartoonish for me... For starters, I understand that this is a childs game and I think the Pan family are perfectly fine for the basic pre-evolution of the line but, Simipour's design is very "goofy". I think Simisage has a great design and he is hands down the best in my book but, the other two aren't very intimidating or atleast as intimidating as they should be (For my taste).
The various typings for the primary gym is a great concept opposing the First Gen tactics where choosing Bulbasaur would be the equivalent to choosing easy mode, squirtle medium and charmander hard. I believe this can make players choose their favorite starters without bias towards which could beat the first gym easiest.

PlatinumDude June 25th, 2013 7:04 AM

I like Panpour and Pansage better than Pansear because the former two learn more useful moves than the latter. I was disappointed with Pansear on my runthrough of Black.

Splintey June 25th, 2013 7:47 AM

Pansage is my favorite which is very unfortunate considering I like to use Snivy

Hikamaru June 25th, 2013 7:55 AM

Despite the fact I used Oshawott on my first Black playthrough, my fave of the three is Panpour, probably cos I love Water-types a lot and it has a handy move in Scald. But Pansage is good too cos I used it as my Pokemon in the recent PC Supporters collab, and one of my fave Grass-types as well.

I did like this concept, getting the monkey that can help you defeat the first Gym. While Pansear starts off weaker than the other two, it still does get better moves as it levels up. I'd really like to see more pseudo starters like these monkeys implemented in future generations sometime.

Splintey June 25th, 2013 8:15 AM

I think this would be cool maybe redone as a trio of a different species

Castform June 25th, 2013 12:48 PM

Panpour was my favorite because I am partial to water types. I didnt really care though for them overall tbh.

Splintey June 25th, 2013 4:00 PM

I was thinking about the pseudo starters not just the monkeys so its not about whether or not you liked the monkeys personally so much as do you think this is a good concept like a "secondary" starter ish thing

T!M June 26th, 2013 4:43 AM

Simisage was my favorite. He was the only evolution of the monkey's that didn't like feminine and actually looked cool. He was also pretty flippin' powerful.

Nakala Pri June 30th, 2013 2:14 AM

My favorite is Simisage. I agree with you all the way, they are very cartoon-y, but hey! That isn't really a bad thing. :P For kids, they would love them! And Pokemon is for everybody, so this is quite good in my opinion.

I think they're giving us a break from the usually intimidating Pokemon we're faced with today, like Venipede and Steelix.

I hope in X/Y there will be a few more of these cute little monkeys! :3

Austin1395 June 30th, 2013 10:50 AM

With me, it's love and hate with them. I love the concept and would love nothing more for it to return with either different types or not monkeys. Personally, I'd like to see the monkey concept return next generation, and take all the starters future second type and give you the opposite. So, going by the idea that Fennekin will be Fire/Psychic, Chespin will be Grass/Dark, and Froakie will be Water/Fighting, you'd get whatever is the opposite of the starters second type and continue with the monkey idea. But, I love the idea of the "Pseudo" Starters and I'd love for it to return.

Shrew July 18th, 2013 2:13 AM

I liked the idea for Generation 5, in which Unova did not borrow any pokemon from previous dexes. But because Generation 6 will include old pokemon, I don't think we need them as much. I could easily imagine things like Houndours and Oddishes running around to fulfill the options to balance out our team.

Also, I think it's unlikely that we'll have another fire/water/grass as our first gym, so the need for a counter type that early in the game is not really as mandatory.

Zach July 18th, 2013 4:50 AM

To be honest, it doesn't matter, IMO, if they include pseudo-starters in the next generation, but what I really liked about the Pan-Simi family of Pokémon was how they gave you an advantage over your rival, which has never happened in any previous generation.

kgarra8649 July 18th, 2013 11:06 AM

I think it was an excellent idea, and @splintley , your right. I think that it is useful in the way that you can pick your favorite starter and not have to worry about losing to the first gym. Either way, I usually ditch my starter after beating the game for competition purposes anyway so it's not a big deal to me :P

Squirrel July 18th, 2013 1:49 PM

The concept of pseudo starters is okay, but I personally hated the monkey trio - they're so uninspired and their designs are beyond bland in my eyes haha. The idea of having a trio of 'pseudo starters' in each generation is okay, but I personally didn't like the restriction of having to use one. I know you didn't have to use it, but I just wasn't a fan of having to take one like it's so important when I've already been given a starter. It's okay for the first run of a game I suppose, but I enjoy having a lot more freedom on my teams and when all the 'pseudo starters' were basically the same Pokémon with different types, it was pretty boring being given them.

Boilurn July 18th, 2013 2:10 PM

I thought that were an interesting idea, but the problem is that they are quite hard to level up. It takes quite a while for them to learn the "moderately powerful" moves. When I had Pansear as my psuedo-starter, I ditched it because it was such a low level. Fortunately I found a much better Fire-type which was Darumaka. His much higher attack stat was a huge help in giving me my third badge while I was playing White. So yeah, in my opinion Pansear's the worst of the three forms.

(Duzzy<3) July 18th, 2013 6:26 PM

I thought that they were cute, and I loved them, and Pansear IS my fave, but there definitely was room to improve on them. I like that they all had the same stats, basically the same movepool, and a little bit of separation, but for them to be pseudo starters for me, i think I'd like their stats upped a little bit. Other than that, I actually really loved them.

I'd also like to point out that as this IS a Fifth Generation forum, only discuss the Fifth Generation games. Any discussion on possible features or Pokemon within Pokemon X/Y belongs in that section, not in here. Discussion on even more distant future games on this is more of a General topic, so please keep that out of this thread, as well.

ganesha July 21st, 2013 1:40 AM

I really like Pansage and Simisage as they look cool to me, I got Pansage from the girl in the area beside Striaton city in Pokémon Black. Simisage is in my team for the league and its a great helpful Pokémon throughout the game.

The Striaton Gym was having a very nice concept and its nice to have such a concept in the game apart from the rival concept.

twistedpuppy July 21st, 2013 4:10 PM

I hated those monkeys simply because I could never find them in the wild. They were a pretty neat idea for a while, but concept wise they reminded me of Eevee and its variations.

Trapleton July 21st, 2013 4:48 PM

Really I never liked them : P they were hard to find, I didn't like the designs, they are OK in battle but no too good :P

Sabrewulf238 July 21st, 2013 10:07 PM

I thought they were underwhelming, both design wise and battling wise. Pansage is sorta cute I guess, but that's as far as it goes.

kronos9 July 22nd, 2013 11:30 AM

I would've liked them more if they had better stats.. I like pseudo starters though. I used Pansage alot in b/w. :D

BubbleBeams July 22nd, 2013 11:42 AM

I don't have an issue with the concept, and it definitely helped at the beginning of B/W. I wouldn't be against it in future games as it is helpful.

I'm not a huge fan of monkeys though. lol And they are basically freeby Pokemon which is a personal dislike of mine. I like to actually catch my Pokemon (sans the starter, of course).

When I played White version (my first Gen 5 game) I used Pansear/Simisear for the sake of having a fire-type but I never felt like he was very strong and I couldn't get attached to him. I ended up scratching him from my team toward the end of the main story.

I'm doing a runthrough of Black right now and I'm not even bothering with the monkey past the first gym. There are better Pokemon for me to raise.

dannidarko July 22nd, 2013 8:16 PM

I think the idea was pretty cool. The designs were a little weird though ,especially pansear, that tuft on his head looked like a certain something i cannot say than a flame! (cannot be unseen!! lol) They were pretty weak until they evolved then they worked well in game!

A few weeks back there was a leak of all the pokemon names of x and y but it turned out to be fake. On that list they had 3 more monkeys but with types of dark,fighting and psychic. And there was also a pre-evo monkey that could potentially evolve into any one of the monkeys (it was normal type). I think something like that was mention above but what does everyone think about that concept? I thought it was pretty cool but like i said the list was fake. lol

Nolafus July 22nd, 2013 10:40 PM

Getting back on topic, I used panpour on my first play-through of Black and ditched it for a Lapras my friend traded me after the third gym. It wasn't powerful and didn't learn any new moves, by leveling up, after it evolved. Panpour's evolution, Simipour ranks up as my least favorite water type pokemon. I don't like the design and there are a plethora of other water types I'd rather train.

LardassEd July 23rd, 2013 2:18 AM

I honestly didn't really like their design, the big ears made them look rather ugly to me, and the design on the evolutions isn't that impressive either.

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