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Old September 6th, 2010 (5:35 PM).
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Okay, I have some bad news. Even though it's not particularly about DarkViolet, it's about the future of Pokémon Saga.

Let me say this once again, Pokémon Saga is supposed to be 4 games. Two of them are on GBA, and the other two are on DS. The GBA ones will be DarkViolet and Jade, while the DS ones will keep their official names, HeartGold and Platinum. Anyways, so when the time comes to start, "Pokémon Saga - Platinum", one of the things that will be changes is the PokéDex order. As you guys know, in Platinum, they were really lazy in the Sinnoh Dex expansion that they just added Pokémon to the end of that, and it looked really weird because there were legendaries in the middle of the Pokedex. Since I'm going to re-order it (but keep the Pokémon the same), I did a Sinnoh Dex test edit just to see if it will work. Just for testing purposes, I simply changed the Sinnoh Dex to the Johto Dex. Here were my results:


As you can see, Pokémon that weren't originally in the Sinnoh Dex will not display numbers. That will not be a problem, since in Pokémon Saga Platinum, the Pokémon in the Sinnoh Dex will be exactly the same, but it will be re-ordered to make sense. This is what I want the Sinnoh Dex order to be:
Spoiler:

Turtwig
Grotle
Torterra
Chimchar
Monferno
Infernape
Piplup
Prinplup
Empoleon
Starly
Staravia
Staraptor
Bidoof
Bibarel
Kricketot
Kricketune
Shinx
Luxio
Luxray
Abra
Kadabra
Alakazam
Magikarp
Gyarados
Budew
Roselia
Roserade
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Onix
Steelix
Cranidos
Rampardos
Shieldon
Bastiodon
Machop
Machoke
Machamp
Magby
Magmar
Magmortar
Psyduck
Golduck
Burmy
Wormadam
Mothim
Wurmple
Silcoon
Beautifly
Cascoon
Dustox
Combee
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Buizel
Floaztel
Cherubi
Cherrim
Shellos
Gastrodon
Elekid
Electabuzz
Electivire
Heracross
Aipom
Ambipom
Drifloon
Drifblim
Buneary
Lopunny
Rotom
Togepi
Togetic
Togekiss
Duskull
Dusclops
Dusknoir
Gastly
Haunter
Gengar
Misdreavus
Mismagius
Murkrow
Honchkrow
Magnemite
Magneton
Magnezone
Glameow
Purugly
Goldeen
Seaking
Barboach
Whiscash
Ralts
Kirilia
Gallade
Gardevoir
Chingling
Chimecho
Stunky
Skuntank
Meditite
Medicham
Spiritomb
Bronzor
Bronzong
Nosepass
Probopass
Ponyta
Rapidash
Lickitung
Lickilicky
Bonsly
Sudowoodo
Mime Jr.
Mr. Mime
Scyther
Scizor
Happiny
Chansey
Blissey
Porygon
Porygon2
Porygon-Z
Cleffa
Clefairy
Clefable
Chatot
Pichu
Pikachu
Raichu
Hoothoot
Noctowl
Munchlax
Snorlax
Unown
Gligar
Gliscor
Riolu
Lucario
Wooper
Quagsire
Wingull
Pelipper
Absol
Eevee
Glaceon
Jolteon
Umbreon
Vaporeon
Espeon
Leafeon
Flareon
Rhyhorn
Rhydon
Rhyperior
Girafarig
Houndour
Houndoom
Hippopotas
Hippowdon
Yanma
Yanmega
Tropius
Azurill
Marill
Azumarill
Skorupi
Drapion
Tangela
Tangrowth
Croagunk
Toxicroak
Carnivine
Swablu
Altaria
Remoraid
Octillery
Finneon
Lumineon
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Feebas
Milotic
Mantyke
Mantine
Snorunt
Froslass
Glalie
Snover
Abomasnow
Sneasel
Weavile
Swinub
Piloswine
Mamoswine
Gible
Gabite
Garchomp
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Manaphy

So you may ask, if the Pokémon are going to be the same, then what's the problem? Well, the numbers won't display in the correct order. For instance, it will say that Giratina is #210 even though I moved it to #209, it will say that Manaphy is #151 even though I moved it to #210, and it will say that Dialga is #149 even though I moved it to #207, etc.

However, that's not much of a big problem considering the problems I had with HeartGold: I tried the same thing with Platinum, except in reverse. So I changed the Johto Dex to the Sinnoh Dex. Here were my results:

As you can see, it's A LOT glitchier than what happened with Platinum. Only Pokémon that appear in the HG/SS Johto Dex AND the Platinum Sinnoh Dex are listed (yes, Lickilicky is in the Johto Dex in HG/SS).

Here is what I want the new Johto PokéDex to be in Pokémon Saga HeartGold:
Spoiler:

Chikorita
Bayleef
Meganium
Cyndaquil
Quilava
Typhlosion
Totodile
Croconaw
Feraligatr
Pidgey
Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
Hoothoot
Noctowl
Sentret
Furret
Rattata
Raticate
Pichu
Pikachu
Raichu
Caterpie
Metapod
Butterfree
Weedle
Kakuna
Beedrill
Ledyba
Ledian
Spinarak
Ariados
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Zubat
Golbat
Crobat
Cleffa
Clefairy
Clefable
Igglybuff
Jigglypuff
Wigglytuff
Togepi
Togetic
Togekiss
Ekans
Arbok
Dunsparce
Mareep
Flaaffy
Ampharos
Wooper
Quagsire
Gastly
Haunter
Gengar
Unown
Onix
Steelix
Bellsprout
Weepinbell
Victreebel
Hoppip
Skiploom
Jumpluff
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Poliwrath
Politoed
Magikarp
Gyarados
Goldeen
Seaking
Slowpoke
Slowbro
Slowking
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Bellossom
Abra
Kadabra
Alakazam
Pineco
Forretress
Nidoran F
Nidorina
Nidoqueen
Nidoran M
Nidorino
Nidoking
Yanma
Yanmega
Sunkern
Sunflora
Bonsly
Sudowoodo
Wynaut
Wobbuffet
Scyther
Scizor
Heracross
Koffing
Weezing
Grimer
Muk
Magnemite
Magneton
Magnezone
Aipom
Ambipom
Snubbull
Granbull
Vulpix
Ninetales
Growlithe
Arcanine
Stantler
Azurill
Marill
Azumarill
Machop
Machoke
Machamp
Tyrogue
Hitmonlee
Hitmonchan
Hitmontop
Girafarig
Miltank
Magby
Magmar
Magmortar
Smoochum
Jynx
Elekid
Electabuzz
Electivire
Mime Jr.
Mr. Mime
Smeargle
Farfetch’d
Natu
Xatu
Qwilfish
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Shuckle
Corsola
Remoraid
Octillery
Chinchou
Lanturn
Seel
Dewgong
Eevee
Vaporeon
Jolteon
Flareon
Espeon
Umbreon
Leafeon
Glaceon
Horsea
Seadra
Kingdra
Gligar
Gliscor
Delibird
Swinub
Piloswine
Mamoswine
Teddiursa
Ursaring
Phanpy
Donphan
Mantyke
Mantine
Skarmory
Murkrow
Honchkrow
Houndour
Houndoom
Slugma
Magcargo
Sneasel
Weavile
Misdreavus
Mismagius
Porygon
Porygon2
Porygon-Z
Happiny
Chansey
Blissey
Lapras
Aerodactyl
Dratini
Dragonair
Dragonite
Larvitar
Pupitar
Tyranitar
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi

As you can see, I only want 210 Pokémon, not 256. Now most of these Pokémon listed above are in the HG/SS Johto PokéDex, but there are certain Pokémon that weren't, such as Azurill, Magmortar, Weavile, etc. The only narc file that resembles PokéDex data is at a/0/7/4, while another place is at 0x64D2180. If I were to change the order to the way I wanted (the list above), then the Pokémon order would not be right, and Pokémon that weren't there originally, such as Azurill, Magmortar, and Weavile, would not appear at all even though they would be in the list. (and there's a graphical glitch where the textboxes don't show up)

Now I know this doesn't affect DarkViolet at all, but like it or not, DarkViolet has always been a part of Pokémon Saga, even when it was called ShadowAmethyst. I guess I'll continue working on DarkViolet and Jade, but finding out that I won't be able to edit the PokéDex the way I want it in future Pokémon Saga games really sucks the motivation out of me.

Right now, DarkViolet and Jade are fine, but Platinum is a little screwed, and HeartGold is VERY screwed. I was really looking forward to playing through Johto the way I wanted to, and that was part of my motivation. But now a huge chunk of my motivation is gone, knowing that at this point I may never be able to complete Pokémon Saga the way I want it.

I mean, sure, I give you the National Dex in DarkViolet right away, but that's not what I want in the final version. I guess the only way to make it work right now is simply: Pretend regional PokéDexes don't exist. That means I might have to give you the National Dex right away in all 4 Pokémon Saga games, but I REALLY do not want to do that.
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