Quote originally posted by Vrai:
SubDisable Gengar does get a free Sub up on Conkeldurr, but then again it gets one up on Lucario, too. Just be careful around it and try to switch out on the Disable; otherwise you'll be stuck having to deal with a Gengar behind a free Sub, meaning something's going to take a chunk of damage and some of your frailer mons (ie Jolteon, the only thing that outspeeds Gengar) might be KO'd from behind that Sub.
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I suppose, wouldn't specced Stamie be able to deal with it though? Or do most standard sets have thunderbolt on them? Sorry I'm still new and still don't know the most common sets used haha.