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Old December 31st, 2011 (11:38 PM).
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Having sex is a privilege now? Using your body the way it was intended require government approval? You don't find that ridiculous at all, to require people to have a sex permit like a drivers license?
It's a compromise. It's the same as the current system but with a way to get "early access," so to say. I don't see the harm, it's not like the permit system would prevent you from just waiting out the period until you're 16.

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That is still very arbitrary, even more so than the current AoC.
How is asking questions to gauge someone's mental readiness for adulthood arbitrary? It solves the exact problem people have with lowering age of consent.


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I think you're overstating the importance of this "problem" and then trying to over complicate it. Heck, the presumption that sex is a psychological thing is just too much - when your body is ready, that's it.
The problem is arbitrary limits. I agree that sex isn't necessarily a psychological thing, but if you look through the thread, nobody else seems to agree, even when I specifically use the word "necessarily."
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You don't have to be in a certain state of mind to have sex, or meet anyone's arbitrary standards of maturity - your body just has to be physically mature. It's how everyone ever, since the dawn of humanity, has known someone is ready. Adding anything else just to please whingers is just pointless. It''s how we got into this current situation in the first place.
I agree, more or less. Good luck convincing the other 299 million people here of that. Compromise isn't necessarily permanent. The status quo rarely changes significantly all at once; I think this would be a reasonable compromise that would put our system on the right track and address the opposition's main concerns.

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Your problem is the different privileges we're afforded by the government based upon age, which you consider arbitrary, correct? Why then do you propose a solution that requires MORE government involvement?
Government involvement isn't necessarily arbitrary, that's just silly. What's arbitrary are specific age limits. The reason these limits are in place (supposedly) is that people under the limit aren't mentally prepared. I'm trying to make a solution that addresses peoples' concerns while still moving in the right direction. And, to be honest, I think some of these concerns have merit. I'm not so sure that every single kid is ready to have sex the second they hit puberty.

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In the instance of sex, for instance, I'd rather everyone get married first, but to have the government enforce that would be absolutely ridiculous. Take the government hands out of it, and let families and individuals decide upon what they want to do, how they want to raise their kids, what they'll accept in their communities, etc.
What you're proposing is anarchy and has all the traditional problems associated with it. What if someone has sex with a girl who, in his community, is considered fair game, but who, in her community, is considered underage? Furthermore, how was that kid to know that it wasn't tolerable in her community?

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What you're proposing is way too much and will actually go against your desires in the end.

How often do they even enforce AoC laws anyway? It shouldn't even be an issue because there is barely anyone who even cares.
I think it will appease the opposition (at least aside from implementation concerns) while offering enough freedom to those who believe they are ready for it.

In the US, AoC is enforced relatively strictly and the consequences are severely out of proportion with the offense. You get put on the sex offender's list for "statutory rape" and more or less blacklisted so you can't get a job.

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the restriction against those under-21 drinking actually isn't that bad though - 21 is the age your liver stops developing, iirc. It is the last of all your organs to finish developing.
If that's true, it makes sense, but I haven't heard of places like France having significantly more liver problems in the general population.
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