Does Volcarona deserve a banishment to Uber?
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February 8th, 2012, 01:17 PM
Join Date: Apr 2011
more checks -.-
Jellicent - The typing and access to taunt and toxic
Bliss + Chans - can toxic / t-wave, crippling the moth, and also takes hit all day.
In the team preview, you can see that they have a volca; so you have to prepare for it. Use stealth rocks early, try to predict the switches, etc.
If volca sweeps turn, your team sucks.
With the duggy argument, you can also say duggy makes ninetales lose by trapping it.
Dugtrio can't even come in on tyranitar safely. Pretty much all of its moves at least 2hko it. Inb4 sash + reversal argument.
Saying dugtrio takes out all of volca's checks is a bit of a stretch. You can easily KO it on a predicted switch or something of the like. Stealth rocks are the bain of sun teams, and its not that hard to get them set up, just use team preview, and if it will make things easier, come in and set up as close to turn 1 as you can.
All right, one of my friends, Eternal, is probably one of the most experienced Wifi OU player. I asked him for his thoughts.
[4:08:32 PM] Eternal: and it sash + reversals
[4:08:39 PM] Eternal: in that case, you also need to put rocks up
[4:08:49 PM] Eternal: rocks is the #1 weakness to sun team
[4:08:55 PM] Eternal: and it's not hard putting rocks up
[4:08:57 PM] Eternal: against sun teams
[4:09:13 PM] Eternal: and it's not hard to disallow common spinners in the sun
[4:09:18 PM] Eternal: like forretress, donphan, hitmontop
[4:09:22 PM] Eternal: from spinning
[4:09:38 PM] Eternal: none of them can recover
[4:09:43 PM] Eternal: so you just have to weaken them
[4:09:53 PM] Eternal: and keep putting up rocks
01 PM] Eternal: and you block the sun with sandstorm or rain
13 PM] Eternal: if dugtrio beats your ttar
20 PM] Eternal: then you lost because you got outpredicted
33 PM] Eternal: not because Volcarona is broken
41 PM] Eternal: and even with the sandstorm
45 PM] Eternal: winning isn't impossible
47 PM] Eternal: you need to use that Pokemon yourself
59 PM] Eternal: and I bet none of the people arguing on Pokecommunity
07 PM] Eternal: have attained a nice rating
10 PM] Eternal: abusing Volcarona
24 PM] Eternal: Dragonite
27 PM] Eternal: or Terrakion
34 PM] Eternal: find it really easy to sweep teams
38 PM] Eternal: compared to Volc
49 PM] Eternal: Volcarona requires a lot of back up
51 PM] Eternal: like Dugtrio
54 PM] Eternal: spinner
05 PM] Eternal: all these requirements
11 PM] Eternal: weaken your team's synergy
16 PM] Eternal: and limits what you can use
Volca isn't broken. It's top tier at the most, but not broken. It is checked simply by too many pokemon, and even common walls can stop it. It wont always have sun up, and without sun, it just can stomp through its many checks.
Just an afterthought, but why don't people think dragonite is broken? It's probably the most abusive pokemon atm.
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