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September 11th, 2012 (6:42 AM).
NO EXTRA I IN GIMME
The personalities they have now actually mirror their personalities when they first appear, and when you think of that flashback episode showing their training they were always good at being bad. They were just always thwarted by ash and his group being superior trainers.
What I will say is that the sudden jump doesn't work, from where they were at the end of Gen IV to now makes no sense.
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