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Old February 7th, 2013 (7:41 AM).
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Originally Posted by C Payne View Post
Well this is getting fun again.

Ok, so Lugia and Ho-oh don't count because they were treated like event Pokemon then, but in the last post you were implying this:

Sounds like a slight contradiction on that part. Did they or did they not play a role, if even super minor?
Event Pokemon have never been counted. Events aren't readily available in their games and don't exist in the games until you receive the event items to get them. Lugia and Ho-oh were not available in Generation 3 outside of events that play no part in the major or minor parts of the game at all. Since they are not readily available in the games like other legend that cross generation are, then they were not counted.

Originally Posted by C Payne View Post
Regardless of the fact that they were just that, upgrades, that can't just be a reason to ignore that the later redesigns of the DS and onward dropped the GBA slot and therefore the connectivity of the GBA games(and Hoenn/Kanto if you want to get picky). I'm not even sure how we got on this subject because it's not really going to go anywhere because, even now, we don't have direct connection between all regions and probably never will have it.

Other than FrLg(because of them not adding every Pokemon to Hoenn), we didn't need anymore remakes anyways, HGSS obviously included as it is the only other set to date. Johto did not have a real reason to be connected itself with every Poke available from both sets of Gen III games(minus the said few legendaries, although the concept back then only complicated things anyways because of the lack of WiFi),a bigger part than the regions themselves. If we're going that whole connecting regions route, why don't they just prolong every gen so that they can keep all regions up-to-date and directly compatible with every other one? As I mentioned above, we still don't have direct connection between them all anyways. If they remade Gen I also then so be it, no complaints there personally.
There are direct connetions between the five regions. You can transfer Hoenn and Kanto to Sinnoh and Johto and then from Sinnoh and Johto to Unova. DSi series are still part of the main DS series and are seen that way by the mother company. All of the DS generations were made for the Original DS. They kept DS and DSlite in mind when making them do those two shall remain relevant to both Generations 4 and 5. They could have locked Generation 5 to the DSi but they didn't. They kept them DS related so that they could receive connections with Generation 3.

Originally Posted by C Payne View Post
Weakest sales or not, you can't ignore that they were the top selling games on the GBA. On top of that, they could take this opportunity to improve what was flawed in the original games and to see if they can make the region more appealing in general(I disagree and loved them, despite the flaws, but apparently the masses is made to believe the games sucked). How good they were is subjective anyways and there are plenty more people who haven't played the originals who may give them a go if remade, among well everyone else. Pokemon has been proven to be a system seller regardless, which is something that alone makes a statement.
Actually based on sales, since all newer games have greatly surpassed R/S in sales, there isn't much Profit to be gained by updating the games based on side by side comparisons. That alone is enough reason for them not to make the games as it wouldn't balance out the potential cost of the games themselves. If we are going with the money game, if they cannot project a decent sales quota, then there isn't a point in making the games. Based on numbers, I'd say that there isn't any reason to make them as estimated sales for them would be too low.

Originally Posted by C Payne View Post
Going by Xander's previous statement(nothing personal), since the Dsi and other revisions are still in the DS line, then that makes all of them relevant which, due to the slot on the older models, still makes the GBA games relevant. Furthering that, as has been mentioned numerous times, Johto pokes were readily available in Gen III and could be transferred to Gen IV games as well, which means they were all available for the DS, so in that sense HGSS was not needed other than to see Johto all 'prettied' up.

Looking at that, why is everyone so harsh on Hoenn and act as if the region should just fade into oblivion? Why can it not get the all 'prettied' up treatment like Johto, another region which had no real reason to be remade in itself? Hell, throw in Kanto as well if you must with it being constantly added in as relevant too.
Lugia and Ho-oh still weren't readily available in the main series games without hacking or attending an event that very few could attend. Those two being the core legend for Gold and Silver were enough of a reason to make and update the games outside of the fact that Gold and Silver were the only games that couldn't link up with current game titles at that time.

A feature that R/S still hasn't achieved yet. When we get word of the next handheld series in two or so years, then we'll get due report of the remakes, considering they want to risk not making much money seeing as the remakes don't sell as well as the originals and with the already low sales quota of Generation 3, they stand to lose more than gain.