I never had any problems with them at all. Also, I didn't even know that the son was on Victory Road. I don't pay attention to the small details very often. Also, a lot of you are saying you would have liked to have been able to verse all 5 after the elite 4. Well, if you think about it, they aren't really training. Only he was. So, really, they would be about the same level and he'd be a lot higher. It wouldn't make sense.