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You said "I don't necessarily think marijuana should be legalized". How is that supporting legalization? If you read the rest of the thread, I am pro-legalization. You said you were against it and then went on a rant about laced marijuana. If you're for it, it makes slightly more sense. Maybe next time if you're for legalization, don't specify that you're not for it?
 

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But then I also said if it get legalized it would have to be controlled, did I not say that? When I said it shouldn't necessarily be legalized I mean it shouldn't be legalized until we got a plan for the legalization, instead of just saying, "Marijuana's legalized, you can now smoke without getting in trouble". Before you legalize something you gotta think of a plan first. I really don't know how to explain it.
 
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Now to get on topic. I don't necessarily believe marijuana should be legalized because that gives drug dealers the power to sell. I think if they legalize it, they control it and sell them it packs like cigarettes. Marijuana isn't dangerous at all but buying by drug dealers can be very dangerous, especially in larger cities. How do you not know the grower the dealer is selling for didn't lace it? True fact here, gang's in cities lace they're products about 85% of the time. In big city's like Chicago where I live that's a lot of laced chronic.
I really don't think you'd need to worry about it, because the reason that it's sold by dealers and bought on the streets the way it is now is because they're illegal. If they were available as regularly as cigarettes, like you said, do you really think that drug dealers would has a business in the marijuana department, when they could just go to the nearest convenience store and purchase some? ... that's assuming that it's controlled like you suggested.

Also, I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of lacing, but if you're interested in buying from a dealer, you should really know something about them and have complete trust that they won't tamper with the product. If you don't have that, you shouldn't even consider buying from them.
 

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Usually the laced drugs get sold to teens or people that are just starting. I'm not gonna lie I smoke marijuana but I personally know the grower and he doesn't tamper it. I still believe there would be some sort of dealers for busniess around but not what it's like now. People that sell it do it mainly for the thrill of it being illegal and showing that if something is legalized it's still gonna get around. I think if it was legalized people wouldn't get a thrill from it anymore because you can go up to a head shop or gas station and buy it lol. (head shop isn't adult shop btw it's a store that sells pieces, bongs, bubblers, vaporizers, etc)

If I were to legalize it this is what I would do to stop transporting it or selling it on the streets, cos it would still exist. Even tho it's legalized if you get caught with a pound your going to jail. 1 Pound of marijuana is business whichever way you look at it. No ones just gonna carry around a pound in they're backpack to smoke. Now an oz on the other hand isn't enough to sell. Yea he could sell 28 grams but most people buy in 1/8, (3 grams) 1/4, (7 Grams) 2/4 (half an oz 14 grams)or oz's. (28 grams). So if it were to be legalized you should only carry up to an oz on you, no more than that is considered a crime.

I mainly think it should be legalized cos the govt. shouldn't worry about what were doing with our body's. Porn is somewhat considered prostituion cos they're getting payed lol, but it's they're choice to do what they want with they're body. Not to mention other drugs will kill you unlike this 7 leaf plant. Tobacco and alcohol are more dangerous than marijuana. Alcohol in moderation is ok, so marijuana in moderation should be okay. I smoke almost everyday and there's nothing wrong with me.
 

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As a "dealer," I can tell you the chances of getting laced marijuana are fairly slim. No one is going to waste a 60 dollar bag of blow to lace 5 bucks worth of pot. And since the prescription pills can go for at least 5 bucks a pop and youd need a lot more than one to even lace a couple of buds. Unless you just happen to have a lot of drugs lying around... youd go broke. Quick. It just doesnt happen. If they have an ulterior motive they might.... but that brings the discussion to a whole new area that we dont need to go into.

Edit: as for pcp... in liquid form... thats a couple hundo per oz. I dont know how much youd need to lace weed... but its still profit loss if your putting it on your weed and still selling it for the same price. When people lace cannabis with pcp is mostly so that THEY can smoke it. I know there are people who would and do lace it... but that minority is so small when it comes to marijuana.

Edit edit: and arresting people for having a pound... um what? No! Thats what were kind of fighting against. That would not be legalization. You cant chalk up the law to YOUR smoking habits. I could easily go through a pound in a day. Easily.

Also... i dont know anyone who sells because its "fun". They sell because they need the money....
 
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I recently stumbled upon this news report by the BBC from earlier in the year. It mentioned a survey done by the british lung foundation, a charity which focus on lung health.

They have some interesting findings about the use of Marijuana on the lungs: Source Link

  • Risk of developing lung cancer is up to twenty times greater in a cannabis cigarette than in a tobacco cigarette – yet 88% of the public believe tobacco cigarettes pose the greater risk
  • A third of people believe cannabis does not harm your health - despite established scientific links to TB, acute bronchitis, lung cancer and other health problems

Furthermore:

new research conducted for the report shows that public awareness of the health consequences of smoking cannabis remains worryingly low, with almost a third of the British population (32%) believing that smoking cannabis is not harmful to your health. This figure rises to almost 40% amongst those aged under-35 – the age-group most likely to have smoked it.

With such an established charity group supported by such findings (both scientific and social) perhaps some of you should rethink the damage cannabis can do to you.

Also,

Do you think it would be better to legalise Cannabis in the hope that these reports are wrong, or legalise it and find that actually it's a severe danger?

In my eyes it is far better to be cautious and do the testing before hand, from the looks of it the evidence of damage via cannabis smoking is pretty strong. If anything, I feel that Marijuana should be treated in the same way we deal with prescriptions drugs which may help us but have potentially dangerous side effects.
 

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As a "dealer," I can tell you the chances of getting laced marijuana are fairly slim. No one is going to waste a 60 dollar bag of blow to lace 5 bucks worth of pot. And since the prescription pills can go for at least 5 bucks a pop and youd need a lot more than one to even lace a couple of buds. Unless you just happen to have a lot of drugs lying around... youd go broke. Quick. It just doesnt happen. If they have an ulterior motive they might.... but that brings the discussion to a whole new area that we dont need to go into.

Yes I know marijuana isn't usually laced but when I live literally 5 min from the hood in W. Chicago, don't you think I'd hear about it? ALL THE WEED UP HERE IS LACED. It doesn't matter what strain it is, hell they even soak kush in PCP. Why? I don't know. Now if you get out of the hood and go to the other neighborhoods in W. Chicago your usually safe, but the hood, hood has laced weed everywhere. It's just the stuff they sell. Regular drug dealers, no it's not in they're interest to lace weed cos they're losing money. Gangs on the other hand don't care. They do it cos PCP is addicting not because it gets you higher. Not to mention I personally know people in the hood and they directly told me they lace they're weed.

Edit: as for pcp... in liquid form... thats a couple hundo per oz. I dont know how much youd need to lace weed... but its still profit loss if your putting it on your weed and still selling it for the same price. When people lace cannabis with pcp is mostly so that THEY can smoke it. I know there are people who would and do lace it... but that minority is so small when it comes to marijuana.

PCP is cheap, cheap; compared to marijuana that is. They sell they're baggies for 30 bucks and it's kush soaked in PCP. They got "shake" weed which is also kush but kiefed of the THC and then dipped in PCP and they do .5 kush, .5 K2/spice for 20 bucks. That's just what they sell. The messed up thing is, they go down to DeKalb, IL where NIU is and they sell it to the college students. DeKalb is 60 mi from Chicago, so from Chicago through the suburbs to DeKalb there's laced weed everywhere.

Edit edit: and arresting people for having a pound... um what? No! Thats what were kind of fighting against. That would not be legalization. You cant chalk up the law to YOUR smoking habits. I could easily go through a pound in a day. Easily.

I doubt you could honestly get a pound of purple kush and smoke it in a day. Maybe an oz or 2. Do you realize how much a pound is? A pound of good weed (kush) costs anwhere from $2,000 to $3,500. So no I doubt you can smoke that much in a day. Nobody's gonna go through a pound in a day, they're doing it to sell. Look at the numbers, that's a lot of cash. No matter which way you look at it, your in buisness when you have that much on you. You'd have to smoke a gram joint every minute to smoke a pound. Wanna know would happen about 3 hours into that? Your throat would burn so bad that you couldn't smoke anymore and tear up your throat, or you'd pass out.

Actually I guarantee you, you can't smoke a pound easily. You know how idiotic that sounded? It's physically IMPOSSIBLE to smoke a pound of dro by yourself. 5 people couldn't even go through half that in a day. Now if you said oz, I would believe you but a pound, na dude it's impossible. Don't quote back saying that you can and to start a flame war cos I know what I'm talking about. I've been smoking for 4 years now and that's just WAY too much smoke to inhale, PERIOD. No if, and, or but's about it IMPOSSIBLE.

Also... i dont know anyone who sells because its "fun". They sell because they need the money....

As I said eariler, regular dealers up here don't. It's the street gangs. Also, street gangs don't sell it cos they need money. Wanna know why they sell it? They don't wanna get shot. If you disobey your hood leader he's gonna shoot you cos he thinks your gonna rat him out. I personally know people in street gangs up here and they want the hell out. They can't get out cos they'll get shot. Once you join there's no way out. They also sell it to take over more hoods. They wanna send OTHER street gangs OOB. Street gangs are filthy rich, they're driving around $250,000 cars. So no they don't sell cos they need money. You wouldn't understand what I'm talking about unless you lived at the edge of the hood. Theres even a couple G's in my neighborhood. I gotta watch what color I wear or I may be mistaked for a Vice Lord, Black Mafia, Latin King, or Folk for my colors even tho I'm white. I know this has nothing to do with the discussion I'm just tellin you there's laced weed out cos I live so close to the hood.


Even though you'd pass out trying to smoke a pound it's still not overdosing. Your gonna wake right up without any harm. Your gonna feel like crap but nothing "bad" is gonna happen. If you tried to pop a bottle of prescription pills, then ya you'd die, or you'd end up in the hospital with a tube coming out your stomach. Heroin, too much will kill you, PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION. Too much blow may kill you. BUT too much marijuana will not kill you nor harm you.

Another reason I believe it should be legalized is 1. It relieves stress, anxiety, any mental disorders, and appetite loss. It even helps people with insomnia sleep. So in comparison what's safer; marijuana or Xanax? Xanax is used for anxiety but highly addicting but marijuana does the same thing but not addicting. 2. It relieves pain, it doesn't completely get rid of it but it helps. Which is safer; Vicodin or marijuana? Marijuana, too much vicodin can kill and it's highly addicting as well. It's clear marijuana is the safest alternative to stress, appetite, anxiety, mental disorders, insomnia, etc.
 
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Yes I know marijuana isn't usually laced but when I live literally 5 min from the hood in W. Chicago, don't you think I'd hear about it? ALL THE WEED UP HERE IS LACED. It doesn't matter what strain it is, hell they even soak kush in PCP. Why? I don't know. Now if you get out of the hood and go to the other neighborhoods in W. Chicago your usually safe, but the hood, hood has laced weed everywhere. It's just the stuff they sell. Regular drug dealers, no it's not in they're interest to lace weed cos they're losing money. Gangs on the other hand don't care. They do it cos PCP is addicting not because it gets you higher. Not to mention I personally know people in the hood and they directly told me they lace they're weed.

Wait... what? You contradicted yourself... again.


PCP is cheap, cheap; compared to marijuana that is. They sell they're baggies for 30 bucks and it's kush soaked in PCP. They got "shake" weed which is also kush but kiefed of the THC and then dipped in PCP and they do .5 kush, .5 K2/spice for 20 bucks. That's just what they sell. The messed up thing is, they go down to DeKalb, IL where NIU is and they sell it to the college students. DeKalb is 60 mi from Chicago, so from Chicago through the suburbs to DeKalb there's laced weed everywhere.
Then you must be getting a REALLY small sack of weed. And are, in either case, being ripped off.

I doubt you could honestly get a pound of purple kush and smoke it in a day. Maybe an oz or 2. Do you realize how much a pound is? A pound of good weed (kush) costs anwhere from $2,000 to $3,500. So no I doubt you can smoke that much in a day. Nobody's gonna go through a pound in a day, they're doing it to sell. Look at the numbers, that's a lot of cash. No matter which way you look at it, your in buisness when you have that much on you. You'd have to smoke a gram joint every minute to smoke a pound. Wanna know would happen about 3 hours into that? Your throat would burn so bad that you couldn't smoke anymore and tear up your throat, or you'd pass out

I smoke at least an eighth every day, most times nearly an oz. And that is only to get high for a couple of hours. All by myself. If want to get me AND a few friends high... then that pound is gonna go quick. If I want to get super high.... I can smoke a good oz or two in one sit down session. With five friends who can match it... that's already 3/4s of the whole pound smoked in just one sit down. That'll get me high pretty much all day... which would lead to an all-nighter in which I throw a party and smoke the other 4 oz with whoever shows up. Tell me... where is the business in that?

Also.... you gettin' ripped off fool. I can get a pound for $1500 any day of the week. I can get $60 oz, $5 eighths... And it is ALL chronic.

Actually I guarantee you, you can't smoke a pound easily. You know how idiotic that sounded? It's physically IMPOSSIBLE to smoke a pound of dro by yourself. 5 people couldn't even go through half that in a day. Now if you said oz, I would believe you but a pound, na dude it's impossible. Don't quote back saying that you can and to start a flame war cos I know what I'm talking about. I've been smoking for 4 years now and that's just WAY too much smoke to inhale, PERIOD. No if, and, or but's about it IMPOSSIBLE.

Dude... I've been smoking for just about the same time as you have. And who said I'd be doing it alone? Your claims have no logic. How can you determine the smoking habits of anyone? Do you have any validity for your claim? Can you explain to me how it is impossible? Sorry if I don't got 'dem little baby lungs like you do... I guess that's what growing up in the ET does for you.

And you know... even if I don't wanna get stoned off my ass... if I had 16 friends.. that's an oz each. 32? Half an oz each. 64? 1/4 an oz! 128? Well hey... that's just an eighth. And I'm not selling it to them.... I'm giving it to them. I'm smoking it with them. You dig?
As I said eariler, regular dealers up here don't. It's the street gangs. Also, street gangs don't sell it cos they need money. Wanna know why they sell it? They don't wanna get shot. If you disobey your hood leader he's gonna shoot you cos he thinks your gonna rat him out. I personally know people in street gangs up here and they want the hell out. They can't get out cos they'll get shot. Once you join there's no way out. They also sell it to take over more hoods. They wanna send OTHER street gangs OOB. Street gangs are filthy rich, they're driving around $250,000 cars. So no they don't sell cos they need money. You wouldn't understand what I'm talking about unless you lived at the edge of the hood. Theres even a couple G's in my neighborhood. I gotta watch what color I wear or I may be mistaked for a Vice Lord, Black Mafia, Latin King, or Folk for my colors even tho I'm white. I know this has nothing to do with the discussion I'm just tellin you there's laced weed out cos I live so close to the hood.

Someone's been watching Gangland...

Even though you'd pass out trying to smoke a pound it's still not overdosing. Your gonna wake right up without any harm. Your gonna feel like crap but nothing "bad" is gonna happen. If you tried to pop a bottle of prescription pills, then ya you'd die, or you'd end up in the hospital with a tube coming out your stomach. Heroin, too much will kill you, PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION. Too much blow may kill you. BUT too much marijuana will not kill you nor harm you.

You'd pass out before you could overdose, yeah. But that doesn't mean that you can't overdose. You can. It would just be extremely difficult--you'd have to be trying, pretty much. And even then... you'd have to shoot up like pure thc in a syringe or some crazy **** like that.

Another reason I believe it should be legalized is 1. It relieves stress, anxiety, any mental disorders, and appetite loss. It even helps people with insomnia sleep. So in comparison what's safer; marijuana or Xanax? Xanax is used for anxiety but highly addicting but marijuana does the same thing but not addicting. 2. It relieves pain, it doesn't completely get rid of it but it helps. Which is safer; Vicodin or marijuana? Marijuana, too much vicodin can kill and it's highly addicting as well. It's clear marijuana is the safest alternative to stress, appetite, anxiety, mental disorders, insomnia, etc.
If anything.. the fact that we have FDA approved medicines to treat the things that marijuana does is all the more reason to keep marjuana banned.

@Swiftsign: I'm going to do some serious research about this research and I'll get back to you. And to answer your question... I think that cannabis should be legalized regardless of the validity of the research. True or false... it shouldn't be up to anyone but me what I put in my body. Smoking literal grass has no benefits... but I would not be stopped from doing that. As I said before... the government can't be one foot in, one foot out... they need to pick a side of the fence and stay on that side. No double standards. No special exemptions or allowances... nothing. They need to resist corruption that destroys the entire system by picking and choosing what they like simply based on their own ill-preference.
 

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Wait... what? You contradicted yourself... again.



Then you must be getting a REALLY small sack of weed. And are, in either case, being ripped off.



I smoke at least an eighth every day, most times nearly an oz. And that is only to get high for a couple of hours. All by myself. If want to get me AND a few friends high... then that pound is gonna go quick. If I want to get super high.... I can smoke a good oz or two in one sit down session. With five friends who can match it... that's already 3/4s of the whole pound smoked in just one sit down. That'll get me high pretty much all day... which would lead to an all-nighter in which I throw a party and smoke the other 4 oz with whoever shows up. Tell me... where is the business in that?

Also.... you gettin' ripped off fool. I can get a pound for $1500 any day of the week. I can get $60 oz, $5 eighths... And it is ALL chronic.



Dude... I've been smoking for just about the same time as you have. And who said I'd be doing it alone? Your claims have no logic. How can you determine the smoking habits of anyone? Do you have any validity for your claim? Can you explain to me how it is impossible? Sorry if I don't got 'dem little baby lungs like you do... I guess that's what growing up in the ET does for you.

And you know... even if I don't wanna get stoned off my ass... if I had 16 friends.. that's an oz each. 32? Half an oz each. 64? 1/4 an oz! 128? Well hey... that's just an eighth. And I'm not selling it to them.... I'm giving it to them. I'm smoking it with them. You dig?


Someone's been watching Gangland...



You'd pass out before you could overdose, yeah. But that doesn't mean that you can't overdose. You can. It would just be extremely difficult--you'd have to be trying, pretty much. And even then... you'd have to shoot up like pure thc in a syringe or some crazy **** like that.


If anything.. the fact that we have FDA approved medicines to treat the things that marijuana does is all the more reason to keep marjuana banned.

@Swiftsign: I'm going to do some serious research about this research and I'll get back to you. And to answer your question... I think that cannabis should be legalized regardless of the validity of the research. True or false... it shouldn't be up to anyone but me what I put in my body. Smoking literal grass has no benefits... but I would not be stopped from doing that. As I said before... the government can't be one foot in, one foot out... they need to pick a side of the fence and stay on that side. No double standards. No special exemptions or allowances... nothing. They need to resist corruption that destroys the entire system by picking and choosing what they like simply based on their own ill-preference.

Whatever dude, your not foolin anyone with your lies I'm not gonna try arguing with you cos I know for a fact your lying.

Anyways, the 2 or 3 states marijuana is legalized in allow a maximum of 1 ounce. Imo that's plenty enough when it's legalized. Yes, they may not allow you to carry more than an oz but it's still legalizing it. They can smoke it without gettin arrested and stuff and an oz is plenty enough to smoke a group up with. I think they did the right thing with once oz cos a pound is just way too much to carry on a person. They made it an oz for a reason. Nobody can just afford to buy a pound unless they're selling it. Even if they legalized a max of a pound on you and say you threw a party and 20 ppl showed up. You'd still have over half of that pound left even if they were the high times contest smokers there smoking. I wouldn't have a problem if every state legalized up to an ounce baggie on someone. Like I said that's plenty enough, that's a whole sandwich bag full of nothing but marijuana, top to bottom of the bag.
 

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@von Weltschmerz If you are indeed telling the truth about how much you smoke, either your tolerance is ridiculously high or you are getting some extremely low quality bud.

Either way it is you who is being ripped off; You shouldn't need to smoke anywhere near that much, and even if you did you should be staying high for much longer than a couple of hours.

SWIM smokes every day and makes 3.5g of bud last a month. He smokes one half filled bowl of ground material in his pipe to achieve a fantastic high that lasts for upwards of 2 hours.
 
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I smoke a 1/8 every 2 or 3 days, but 1 hit knocks me on my ass but that's cos it's 24% thc. If you are indeed smoking that much like Counterfeit said, then your getting really low quality bud or gettinh ripped off hard. Your probably mistaking an ouce for a pound. Tbh nobody's got a tolerance high enough to smoke a pound in a day not even half a pound in a day, not even Wiz Khalifa; and everyone knows he smokes a ridiculous amount of bud. Wiz MAY go through 1 - 1.5 oz alone MAX. He smokes all day too so you saying you smoke a pound don't fool anyone, it just doesn't sound right. The most I've smoked in a day was close to an oz and I didn't quit at all, there was 4 oz to 3 people. Everyone smoked the same amount but we didn't finish it and we were rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin. If it's chronic your smoking; that a pound goes through quick then you must be Snoop Dogg, Wiz Khalifa, and Dr. Dre in one person. I doubt they go through that much in a day, even if they were all smoking at the same time.

I'm not arguing with you I'm just saying how I know your lying and backing my answer up, once again your not fooling anyone but yourself. No one's gonna believe you. Even if you smoke an ounce a day you need to lay off cos that's still a lot of weed. It's still not dangerous but that much weed in a day will end up being dangerous if you rolling joints or blunts. It's not the weed that's dangerous it's the paper.

Edit: I helped but to notice your claiming bud pricing. That's also another lie cos NO ONE gives out an ounce of chronic for $60. 1 gram of true high quality bud costs anywhere from $10-30 depending on dealer, any cheaper it's not high quality or your gettin ripped off a gram and it's prob a half gram. An ounce is 28 grams dude, do the math. 1/8 usually costs anywhere from $45-75 depending on the dealer, quarter $120-175 depending on dealer and an ounce is anywhere from $500-600 depending on dealer, sometimes more. So a pound is over $2500 if it's high quality. Regular weed only costs $100 for an ounce and it takes a whole quarter to even get lots of people buzzin good. So your gettin ripped off and it's not chronic. Again NOBODY sells an ounce of chronic for $60 bucks, they're losing over 400 bucks dude. Even growers don't sell it that low they MAYBE sell it for $300 minimum. Also where you gonna get a pound anyways? You either gotta grow it yourself, jack it from someone growing it, or you got it for $1000 and you owe them $2,000. It just makes no sense.

Oh and for the record I messed up my math... A pound of true chronic costs over 8 grand dude, no joke. Do the math, if you have to, I'll even give you the numbers...... On average a gram is 20 so gram 20 x how many grams in an ounce 28 = 560 x ounces in a pound 16 = $8,960

20 x 16 x 28

Now that's business right there, guaranteed. No ones gonna buy a pound to smoke, $8,000 can buy a newer car dude.

Edit 2: Put this in your pipe and smoke it. I'm gonna use nothing but logic and common sense. So your tellin' me that you get 1/8 of an oz of chronic for $5 correct? 1/8 of an oz is 3 grams. So your tellin me that 1 gram of your chronic costs $1.70? That's bizzare dude, your obviously lying. No bud is $1.70 not even the crappiest bud. Dank, dank, cost's 20 a gram but sometimes 10 a gram if your friends with the dealer or he's just being nice. Wanna know why it costs that much? The grower is there all day treating it, to get the best quality. You don't gotta always be treating dirt weed cos it's growing in the ground. Chronic, dro, dank, kush, whatever you wanna call it requires lots of patience, time, and money to handle. They can easily be killed so the grower is constantly watching over it and treating it. That's why it costs so much. A grower isn't gonna sell his product he worked 6 weeks minimum on, for $1500 for a pound. He probably spends close to 2 grand for the materials every growing season. So I see no logic in your responses cos I just took the time to do the math, explain WHY it's so high, and using logic of my own to back up my response.

If your truely getting an 1/8 for $5 bucks then it's not chronic and that's a guarantee, I already gave you the prices for chronic and goes for everywhere on this planet. Nowhere on this planet has potent weed that cheap. So NO I'm not gettin ripped off your the one trying to sound like a hotshot for some reason, while I'm here stating the facts. Look at how many likes my post already has dude.

As for how is it impossible to smoke a pound in a day, even with 5-10 people if not more. No matter what type of bud you got, how potent, etc your throat can't handle that much weed in a 24 hour time period. Many people have tried and they ended up passing out. Why? It's simple, your lungs and throat can't handle that large of an intake of smoke, were not gorillas dude; were human beings. My lungs are not weak for your information I just don't choose to smoke an ounce a day cos it costs so much, and it doesn't make me cool or a true smoker. A true smoker only smokes around a gram a day to themselves. An ounce is just stupid. Plus nobody's gonna smoke up 100+ friends like you said, cos you don't have that many friends. I don't nobody's got that many friends to smoke up. 4 people can't smoke a pound, 8 people can't smoke a pound, 16 people MAYBE be able to smoke a pound. Smoking isn't a contest dude, nobody smokes that much marijuana in a day. So your gonna need over 60+ people to smoke a pound in a day, that's if it's chronic. Nobody but you I guess feels the need to claim they smoke a pound in a day or even an ounce a day. The only people that even smoke an ounce a day are dealers but they usually don't, growers don't even smoke that much; even though they got pounds to smoke to themselves. You got no logic at all.

So imma fire it back at you. You dig?
 
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Well, the way I see it, there's negative and positive points to the legalization. The uses of hemp are good one of the upsides.

But there already are people drinking and driving as it is. Do we really need something like that to be legalized that would probably cause more problems with that? :T

I think the age should be 21. If a person is still willing to buy and use it at that age, then so be it. It's their problem.

Does anyone else think that perhaps there should be a limit on how much could be bought in a certain amount of time?
 

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-snip- Nobody can just afford to buy a pound unless they're selling it. Even if they legalized a max of a pound on you and say you threw a party and 20 ppl showed up. You'd still have over half of that pound left even if they were the high times contest smokers there smoking.

Who says that? Not everyone has the same financial setting as you. I know a handful of people who only buy by the pound. Secondly... who says I even have to buy? I know plenty of people who grow--I help them grow. And you know what they give me? Bud. And a lot of it. From a lot of people.

Again... you can't call anything out on the smoking habits of anyone. A pound is 16 oz. We'd have to smoke less than oz each to smoke that all up. We won't do it all at once... but we're still gonna get finished by the end of the night dude. I mean... if we were trying to.

@von Weltschmerz If you are indeed telling the truth about how much you smoke, either your tolerance is ridiculously high or you are getting some extremely low quality bud.

Either way it is you who is being ripped off; You shouldn't need to smoke anywhere near that much, and even if you did you should be staying high for much longer than a couple of hours.

SWIM smokes every day and makes 3.5g of bud last a month. He smokes one half filled bowl of ground material in his pipe to achieve a fantastic high that lasts for upwards of 2 hours.
Some of the people I know that grow sell to the clubs... and I'm pretty sure that they don't buy no dirt weed. But yeah... my tolerance is pretty high. And the bud I get is all good... haha. Who says I need to smoke that much?? I don't... I just like getting super high, aha. And if your buddy over there is gettin' high off a half-filled bowl then his tolerance is ridiculously low.

I smoke a 1/8 every 2 or 3 days, but 1 hit knocks me on my ass but that's cos it's 24% thc. If you are indeed smoking that much like Counterfeit said, then your getting really low quality bud or getting ripped off hard. Your probably mistaking an ouce for a pound. Tbh nobody's got a tolerance high enough to smoke a pound in a day not even half a pound in a day, not even Wiz Khalifa; and everyone knows he smokes a ridiculous amount of bud. Wiz MAY go through 1 - 1.5 oz alone MAX.[/quiz]
Wiz is an idiot who also pays WAY too much for his weed. And sorry... but I'm not THAT stupid. I know the difference between an oz and a pound... Firstly... as has already been said... my tolerance is pretty high. Secondly... no one said that I wasn't going to be stoned beyond comprehension.

He smokes all day too so you saying you smoke a pound don't fool anyone, it just doesn't sound right. The most I've smoked in a day was close to an oz and I didn't quit at all, there was 4 oz to 3 people. Everyone smoked the same amount but we didn't finish it and we were rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin. If it's chronic your smoking; that a pound goes through quick then you must be Snoop Dogg, Wiz Khalifa, and Dr. Dre in one person. I doubt they go through that much in a day, even if they were all smoking at the same time.

I don't smoke a pound. And I didn't say that I do. I said that could and even then, I was talking in terms of having some of my buddies to help me. And... I'm sorry that you and your friends don't know how to smoke like me and mine do. Like I said...
I'm not arguing with you I'm just saying how I know your lying and backing my answer up, once again your not fooling anyone but yourself. No one's gonna believe you. Even if you smoke an ounce a day you need to lay off cos that's still a lot of weed. It's still not dangerous but that much weed in a day will end up being dangerous if you rolling joints or blunts. It's not the weed that's dangerous it's the paper.

Edit: I helped but to notice your claiming bud pricing. That's also another lie cos NO ONE gives out an ounce of chronic for $60. 1 gram of true high quality bud costs anywhere from $10-30 depending on dealer, any cheaper it's not high quality or your gettin ripped off a gram and it's prob a half gram. An ounce is 28 grams dude, do the math. 1/8 usually costs anywhere from $45-75 depending on the dealer, quarter $120-175 depending on dealer and an ounce is anywhere from $500-600 depending on dealer, sometimes more. So a pound is over $2500 if it's high quality. Regular weed only costs $100 for an ounce and it takes a whole quarter to even get lots of people buzzin good. So your gettin ripped off and it's not chronic. Again NOBODY sells an ounce of chronic for $60 bucks, they're losing over 400 bucks dude. Even growers don't sell it that low they MAYBE sell it for $300 minimum. Also where you gonna get a pound anyways? You either gotta grow it yourself, jack it from someone growing it, or you got it for $1000 and you owe them $2,000. It just makes no sense.
It's not just a "claim" it's true... Like I said... I live in the Emerald Triangle. The weed up here is nothing but dank and hella cheap. Plus on top of that... I grow with the people who I buy from. So they hook me up. All the time. You aren't using logic here. How can you say no one is giving an oz out for 60 when I know plenty of people who are? Just because YOU wouldn't do that or YOU don't know anyone who does doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Obviously enough, different locations run different prices. Which I suppose could make it profitable for the "G's" in your area to lace their weed. I get an eighth for $20 on a bad day. We don't do any of that scale ****, either. So yeah, sometimes I probably get a little under what I pay for.. but other times I get a whole lot more. We just grab it by the handfuls, dude.

Oh and for the record I messed up my math... A pound of true chronic costs over 8 grand dude, no joke. Do the math, if you have to, I'll even give you the numbers...... On average a gram is 20 so gram 20 x how many grams in an ounce 28 = 560 x ounces in a pound 16 = $8,960

20 x 16 x 28

Now that's business right there, guaranteed. No ones gonna buy a pound to smoke, $8,000 can buy a newer car dude.
I would NEVER buy a gram. NEVER. That is just dumb as hell. If I was fiending that badly... I'd just have my friends kick me some. And they'd ALL give me A LOT more than a gram.

Edit 2: Put this in your pipe and smoke it. I'm gonna use nothing but logic and common sense. So your tellin' me that you get 1/8 of an oz of chronic for $5 correct? 1/8 of an oz is 3 grams. So your tellin me that 1 gram of your chronic costs $1.70? That's bizzare dude, your obviously lying.

I'm lying... because YOU think it is bizarre? Last time I checked... you didn't rule the Universe. And yeah... I could pretty much get a gram for a dollar. My homies brush a gram off their lap when they roll blunts, lol.

No bud is $1.70 not even the crappiest bud. Dank, dank, cost's 20 a gram but sometimes 10 a gram if your friends with the dealer or he's just being nice. Wanna know why it costs that much? The grower is there all day treating it, to get the best quality. You don't gotta always be treating dirt weed cos it's growing in the ground. Chronic, dro, dank, kush, whatever you wanna call it requires lots of patience, time, and money to handle. They can easily be killed so the grower is constantly watching over it and treating it. That's why it costs so much. A grower isn't gonna sell his product he worked 6 weeks minimum on, for $1500 for a pound. He probably spends close to 2 grand for the materials every growing season. So I see no logic in your responses cos I just took the time to do the math, explain WHY it's so high, and using logic of my own to back up my response.
My friends aren't just with the dealer/grower... my friends ARE the dealers/growers. Some of them, anyway. I don't see any logic here, really. Your logic is "X is right because I think so."

YOU might not sell your product for 1500... but I know people who would and do. If he is spending that much on supplies... he has a really bad head for business. That is SO MUCH MORE than you need to spend.

If your truely getting an 1/8 for $5 bucks then it's not chronic and that's a guarantee, I already gave you the prices for chronic and goes for everywhere on this planet. Nowhere on this planet has potent weed that cheap. So NO I'm not gettin ripped off your the one trying to sound like a hotshot for some reason, while I'm here stating the facts. Look at how many likes my post already has dude.
How can you say that? Tell me. Do you have a source? Do you have any evidence to support such a blatantly wrong claim?

Why? It's simple, your lungs and throat can't handle that large of an intake of smoke, were not gorillas dude; were human beings. My lungs are not weak for your information I just don't choose to smoke an ounce a day cos it costs so much, and it doesn't make me cool or a true smoker. A true smoker only smokes around a gram a day to themselves. An ounce is just stupid. Plus nobody's gonna smoke up 100+ friends like you said, cos you don't have that many friends. I don't nobody's got that many friends to smoke up. 4 people can't smoke a pound, 8 people can't smoke a pound, 16 people MAYBE be able to smoke a pound. Smoking isn't a contest dude, nobody smokes that much marijuana in a day. So your gonna need over 60+ people to smoke a pound in a day, that's if it's chronic. Nobody but you I guess feels the need to claim they smoke a pound in a day or even an ounce a day. The only people that even smoke an ounce a day are dealers but they usually don't, growers don't even smoke that much; even though they got pounds to smoke to themselves. You got no logic at all.

So imma fire it back at you. You dig?
Okay? Even following your logic that we can't intake that much smoke... all we have to do is increase the divisor and that problem is simplified. You know what a true smoker does? He doesn't pick at the habits of other smokers like he is some kind of professional. A "true" smoker lives and lets live. It's as simple as that.

And no... I don't dig. I don't see how you provided any more validity to your claims. You're just breathing hot air
 
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Alright guys, the thread isn't for posting your habits for the world to see. Get back to debating the legality and such from earlier posts, please.
 
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I personally believe (and you are free to disagree) that smoking marijuana is better than drinking alcohol. I just can't see how people would rant about a legalization of marijuana when they think alcohol is alright. If you are badly addicted to alcohol, the consequences will be a lot worse than if you were addicted to marijuana.

If smoking marijuana is prohibided, then drinking alcohol should especially be forbidden.
 

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@SlenderMan.. I agree they should find a way to limit your usage. Maybe they give you a card for the business and everytime you buy they scan it and it's added up til you reach your max in a month. They should only sell it at 1 place as well but have them all over the place. Reason, is people would just get cards from everywhere they see to have unlimited marijuana. I think they should limit it to 3 ounces in a month. If your tolerence is too high, oh well wait til next month.

Another thing they could do when they legalize it, is if people grow it then they're gettin locked up because growers don't grow to smoke, they grow to sell, even tho it's legalized. It's illegal to make your own alcohol and sell it without going through a lot of stuff so marijuana should be the same way. I also agree with Slenderman with making the legal age 21 to get smoke, but it would get the same results that tobacco and alcohol gets. All that's gonna happen is underaged will give the money to an older person so ya.

What I personally think they should do is if you sell dope to a minor or a kid, cos I know the process of finding the big fish in drug dealing. Is once the kids give out the dealers location they arrest him and give him the death penalty. Sounds a little over board but I'm sure people would learn quick. It would also lower the dealing business, and allow people to legalize it.
 

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Alright guys, the thread isn't for posting your habits for the world to see. Get back to debating the legality and such from earlier posts, please.

My point with discussing my habits is this: No matter the habits... the bottom line is that no one can simply decide what my intent is. So while it is PROBABLE that if I had a pound I'd be selling it... there is still the possibility that I would not be. And for that possibility, no matter how small, I believe that imposing a limit on how much one can carry would threaten the legality of it in it's entirety. As I said... the government needs to make a stance. They are either for marijuana, or against. If they start to put a bunch of lines in between what is and isn't okay.... the entire system will devolve.

@ShinyUmbreon: Three ounces is an arbitrary number. Three ounces will affect someone smaller a lot harder than it will someone stockier. Just like blood alcohol levels. You wouldn't say the drinking limit is 3 beers, would you? No..it would need be a function that can determine the relation between body mass and thc blood levels. Otherwise.... it just simply wouldn't work. What are to tell people who don't get drunk off 3 beers? Oh... well there's always tomorrow! If they were going to limit it's usage... they'd have to be fair about it. But the complication comes in the fact that thc stays in your bloodstream much longer than alcohol--long after you have sobered up. Thus you could have been a week sober and still have THC blood levels that are "too high." The number would accumulate and accumulate unless you fully waited for the THC to dissipate from your system. Their tolerance would build up and up, and the amount they could smoke would be less and less.

Plus... monopolies are baaaaaad. Which is what you suggested.

Again... you can't determine the intent of the grower. Say that HE DID grow to smoke... your entire claim falls out the window there. The reason it is illegal to make your own alcohol is because if you make it wrong... it could kill people/make them go blind. If you grow weed wrong... it just is gonna be some bunk that doesn't really get anyone high. See the difference there? Legal age I disagree with simply because I believe that upon "adulthood" we should all be liable for ourselves, thus 18 with alcohol being 18 as well Or the alternative solution... make the new age of "adulthood" 21.

First of all... dope is heroin. Not cannabis. That is simply mislabeling by society. Do not get the two confused. Secondly... the death penalty is not the solution. Should we also kill everyone who has a broken taillight? I'm sure they'd catch on real quick and fix their taillights right away...
 
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I personally believe (and you are free to disagree) that smoking marijuana is better than drinking alcohol. I just can't see how people would rant about a legalization of marijuana when they think alcohol is alright. If you are badly addicted to alcohol, the consequences will be a lot worse than if you were addicted to marijuana.

If smoking marijuana is prohibided, then drinking alcohol should especially be forbidden.
I'm fine with marijuana being legal, but I don't like the comparisons to alcohol.

I drink some. I've never being drunk. Never plan to be. I don't drink to get impaired. I like something that goes well with my dinner. Taste.

I don't think that applies to marijuana. Different beasts with different purposes. Addiction aside, you smoke pot for a desired effect - an impairment, with alcohol you can drink to achieve that but you don't need to. If you go to a nice restaurant and have a glass of wine you're not really in the same boat as having just smoked something.
 
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