Land vs Sea - The Team Aqua/Magma Fanclub

Which is exactly why I wasn't promoting a reign of fiery destruction, but rather a land with more land and less water. Pokemon like ground types, grass types, and normal types could all flourish under those circumstances. (See post about the rivers)

It would also take years of engineering to discover a way to keep an entire city's worth of people afloat and comfortable. And today's culture is all about comfort, you know.

Go away. Dx Your uniforms are just bad. I cannot even describe to you all of the individual ways that they are JUST BAD.

I agree with Starprite~ [Magma admin finally arrived to the club]

Despite what you both are saying, I say plants take a long amount of time to grow in such concentrated area. There would be such competition with in the plants, and having less land means more competition for the humans as well. And yes, humans would end up cutting it down since not all prefer coastal life.

I could also add overkilling of creatures near the coastal land and plenty of erosion, and due to being so close to the water, there could be tsunamis and hurricanes threatening them.

Now since I just entered here, I will start slow, with this ^


Another thing. Yes. But who ever said we would just leave purely ground and fire types? We would leave a few Pokemon who could survive out of land itself, such as Zubat and Poochyena. Yes, water pokemon are very beautiful, but what would they do? And as for living via coast lines and over floating cities, they also have major risks: easily prone to natural disasters, hard to travel from place to place, and not to mention that floating cities are NOT going to stay in one place. Even if you resort to placing hard items on the ocean floor, it is capable of moving away.

At least teens and such can look up to us as wearing something that fits trend, since nobody wears bandanas anymore Team Aqua

Starsprite said:

Which is exactly why I wasn't promoting a reign of fiery destruction, but rather a land with more land and less water. Pokemon like ground types, grass types, and normal types could all flourish under those circumstances. (See post about the rivers)

It would also take years of engineering to discover a way to keep an entire city's worth of people afloat and comfortable. And today's culture is all about comfort, you know.

Go away. Dx Your uniforms are just bad. I cannot even describe to you all of the individual ways that they are JUST BAD.

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Ah, but it would take quite a long time to replenish the earth's bounty after you do a mass expansion of land. To expand the land, the idea was to use Groudon's powers to make things explode and spew volcanic material. How long would it take forests to recover from that? Certainly longer than Team Magma's reign will last. And without Magma's control there is nothing to stop humans 'taming' the land, which- judging by current efforts- will have the effect of accidentally creating deserts and barren plains. Which then leads back to Ozzy's point- ground types will start inhabiting those areas and making such problems worse, fire types will move to the volcanoes, grass types will burn and dry out and water types will be left with their reduced sea areas! Just to name a few problems.

And the engineering for floating cities can be experimented with and used long before the actual Expansion comes about.

And how exactly are Magma uniforms at all practical or good for the work your team does?

Otherworld9) said:

Despite what you both are saying, I say plants take a long amount of time to grow in such concentrated area. There would be such competition with in the plants, and having less land means more competition for the humans as well. And yes, humans would end up cutting it down since not all prefer coastal life.

I could also add overkilling of creatures near the coastal land and plenty of erosion, and due to being so close to the water, there could be tsunamis and hurricanes threatening them.

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Hmm? Plants take a long time to grow in a concentrated area? Au contraire, take a look in a rainforest! Super-dense, fast-growing, and diverse. :>

Otherworld9) said:

And as for living via coast lines and over floating cities, they also have major risks: easily prone to natural disasters, hard to travel from place to place, and not to mention that floating cities are NOT going to stay in one place. Even if you resort to placing hard items on the ocean floor, it is capable of moving away.

At least teens and such can look up to us as wearing something that fits trend, since nobody wears bandanas anymore Team Aqua

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Ah, but research is being done to solve such things. Creative engineering, bro! And who says the cities shouldn't sail? It could be a massive ship~

What trend is this, then? 80's punk?

EternallyAnna said:

Ah, but it would take quite a long time to replenish the earth's bounty after you do a mass expansion of land. To expand the land, the idea was to use Groudon's powers to make things explode and spew volcanic material. How long would it take forests to recover from that? Certainly longer than Team Magma's reign will last. And without Magma's control there is nothing to stop humans 'taming' the land, which- judging by current efforts- will have the effect of accidentally creating deserts and barren plains. Which then leads back to Ozzy's point- ground types will start inhabiting those areas and making such problems worse, fire types will move to the volcanoes, grass types will burn and dry out and water types will be left with their reduced sea areas! Just to name a few problems.

And the engineering for floating cities can be experimented with and used long before the actual Expansion comes about.

And how exactly are Magma uniforms at all practical or good for the work your team does?

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Well with proper control over Groudon things shouldn't be quite so messy. Besides, it's not like getting Kyogre to flood everything is going to be any different. It'll wreck the habitats on the islands even for years after the water recedes. Salt water can do some serious damage.

You know, I don't think the people would enjoy living on experimental cities very much. People tend to not like to take risks.

When people see Magma uniforms they go, "Oh what trustworthy looking people. We should let them extend the land! :3" It's for a political reason that we dress like we do.

AlexOzzyCake said:

Ohai Pacifidlog Town. c; There are lots of communities already established out at sea, and with the changes we're proposing there'll be a lot more money/effort put into researching it; we'd certainly have these kinds of issues sorted out before commencing don't you worry. :D

At least our's don't look like we made them in pre-school. D;

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How do you think the people in large cities like Slateport would like to live in Pacifidlog Town? I don't think they would, being so used to city life and what.

Yes. Yes they do.

Starsprite said:

Well with proper control over Groudon things shouldn't be quite so messy. Besides, it's not like getting Kyogre to flood everything is going to be any different. It'll wreck the habitats on the islands even for years after the water recedes. Salt water can do some serious damage.

You know, I don't think the people would enjoy living on experimental cities very much. People tend to not like to take risks.

When people see Magma uniforms they go, "Oh what trustworthy looking people. We should let them extend the land! :3" It's for a political reason that we dress like we do.

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Ah, but Kyogre makes rain. Rain is freshwater and will expand ALL the waters. And by that time, coastal areas will have been evacuated and cities will be relocated. We could probably even flood in increments- one flood a year for several years will give the land a bit of recovery time and would be safer for all life.

Ah but once you get some volunteers- the adventurous sort, the Pokémon world is full of those- to prove it's good and safe, people will take a chance. The move will take some time, but will pay off once the majority of civilization is using the floating cities.

Or possibly 'man why are these young people dressing in such gaudy and impractical clothes?'

Starsprite said:

How do you think the people in large cities like Slateport would like to live in Pacifidlog Town? I don't think they would, being so used to city life and what.

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The can adapt. And who says city life would be given up for the floating cities? It's none too hard to capture the atmosphere and create a big city once the engineers have got the principles down.

EternallyAnna said:

Ah, but Kyogre makes rain. Rain is freshwater and will expand ALL the waters. And by that time, coastal areas will have been evacuated and cities will be relocated. We could probably even flood in increments- one flood a year for several years will give the land a bit of recovery time and would be safer for all life.

Ah but once you get some volunteers- the adventurous sort, the Pokémon world is full of those- to prove it's good and safe, people will take a chance. The move will take some time, but will pay off once the majority of civilization is using the floating cities.

Or possibly 'man why are these young people dressing in such gaudy and impractical clothes?'

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Kyogre also expands the seas using massive tidal waves. And besides, Groudon could just raise more land some amount feet a year. No harm done.

It certainly will take some time. It's going to take all the time for you to figure out how to transport enough goods and food all throughout the ocean to sustain as much life as there is right now.

And how is cosplaying as a pirate in the middle of Petalburg Woods practical?

EternallyAnna said:

The can adapt. And who says city life would be given up for the floating cities? It's none too hard to capture the atmosphere and create a big city once the engineers have got the principles down.

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But will they want to? So now you're going to be forcing people to do what they don't want to?

Starsprite said:

Kyogre also expands the seas using massive tidal waves. And besides, Groudon could just raise more land some amount feet a year. No harm done.

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Nah that stuff comes from Groudon shaking the earth apart and messing with the crust plates. Tidal waves don't increase water, the just displace it. And but you can't do minimal expansion with Groudon- a volcano blows or it doesn't and once it does it's uh rather hard to stop. It's a massive event. Whereas rains are common and happen anyway, the floods will just be a bit more.

Starsprite said:

It certainly will take some time. It's going to take all the time for you to figure out how to transport enough goods and food all throughout the ocean to sustain as much life as there is right now.

And how is cosplaying as a pirate in the middle of Petalburg Woods practical?

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Hey we don't have to transport too much in the way of food- we can have greenhouses on the city-ships and trawl for fish as well. Easy once you get it going!

Pirates we may be, but we are cool, comfortable and covered. Best thing for a hot, buggy forest!

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But will they want to? So now you're going to be forcing people to do what they don't want to?

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Yep, because we will create cities which offer a good quality of life and amazing bounty. Those who don't move will likely be flooded, but that is their own stubborn fault. If you knew chances were that your entire city would be flooded a bit more every year and eventually submerged, would you not move? The instinct for survival tends to be stronger than stubborn pride. But it's entirely their choice.

EternallyAnna said:

Nah that stuff comes from Groudon shaking the earth apart and messing with the crust plates. Tidal waves don't increase water, the just displace it. And but you can't do minimal expansion with Groudon- a volcano blows or it doesn't and once it does it's uh rather hard to stop. It's a massive event. Whereas rains are common and happen anyway, the floods will just be a bit more.

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Actually, here's what the Pokedex says about Groudon,


That said, in worst case scenario we could evacuate the areas of volcanic activities, an, like you plan, wait some number of years.

EternallyAnna said:

Hey we don't have to transport too much in the way of food- we can have greenhouses on the city-ships and trawl for fish as well. Easy once you get it going!

Pirates we may be, but we are cool, comfortable and covered. Best thing for a hot, buggy forest!

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You would have to have strict weight regulations, and someone to check very far down on whatever supports are holding you up. With as many people and facilities as you mentioned there's no way your city will float. It might be able to be suspended over the water, but you'd have to be close to some form of land for the water not to be too deep to build supports down to the floor.

I don't consider short-sleeved midriffs very covering. Team Magma is more covered than Aqua.

EternallyAnna said:

Yep, because we will create cities which offer a good quality of life and amazing bounty. Those who don't move will likely be flooded, but that is their own stubborn fault. If you knew chances were that your entire city would be flooded a bit more every year and eventually submerged, would you not move? The instinct for survival tends to be stronger than stubborn pride. But it's entirely their choice.

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See, we're not attempting to take them away from what they know. It's easier that way, if their lives get to remain the same, or at least similar, to how they are on land already.

Starsprite said:

Actually, here's what the Pokedex says about Groudon,

"Groudon has long been described in mythology as the Pokémon that raised lands and expanded continents. This Pokémon took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle with Kyogre."​

That said, in worst case scenario we could evacuate the areas of volcanic activities, an, like you plan, wait some number of years.

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Yes, but how does he raise the land? He wrenches the earth's crust apart and releases lava what cools to form land. It's a bit explosive event. And it's be quite difficult to predict the path of lava, the area of earthquake effects, new fault lines opening up... you'd have to evacuate the entire land and put them out to sea. On, say, floating cities.

Starsprite said:

You would have to have strict weight regulations, and someone to check very far down on whatever supports are holding you up. With as many people and facilities as you mentioned there's no way your city will float. It might be able to be suspended over the water, but you'd have to be close to some form of land for the water not to be too deep to build supports down to the floor.

I don't consider short-sleeved midriffs very covering. Team Magma is more covered than Aqua.

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Considering the technology inherent in things like Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, I've no doubt that we can easily expand upon such things. And it doesn't have to be one ship- we can have a convoy and escorts and suburbs that tether to the main grouping for most of the time.

Bare midriffs are better than bare thighs. Y'all are gonna have bugs crawling up your skirts.

Starsprite said:

See, we're not attempting to take them away from what they know. It's easier that way, if their lives get to remain the same, or at least similar, to how they are on land already.

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Ah but you are. There are many people who live coastal and water-based lives, and you'd be taking them away from that for many years while you expanded your land. And they'd never get back what they had. There will be resistance no matter what you do.

EternallyAnna said:

Yes, but how does he raise the land? He wrenches the earth's crust apart and releases lava what cools to form land. It's a bit explosive event. And it's be quite difficult to predict the path of lava, the area of earthquake effects, new fault lines opening up... you'd have to evacuate the entire land and put them out to sea. On, say, floating cities.

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Ah, but not necessarily. If you started in a remote area, like the middle of the ocean, we really wouldn't be disturbing anyone. Rather, we could make islands that people could live on after they formed correctly.

EternallyAnna said:

Considering the technology inherent in things like Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, I've no doubt that we can easily expand upon such things. And it doesn't have to be one ship- we can have a convoy and escorts and suburbs that tether to the main grouping for most of the time.

Bare midriffs are better than bare thighs. Y'all are gonna have bugs crawling up your skirts.

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I imagine it would take years to convert an aircraft carrier into anything resembling a city. They're usually cramped, and they don't even let certain people on them due to height and weight regulations.

Your pants are loose enough that so will you. xP

EternallyAnna said:

Ah but you are. There are many people who live coastal and water-based lives, and you'd be taking them away from that for many years while you expanded your land. And they'd never get back what they had. There will be resistance no matter what you do.

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But by creating more land you would only be creating more miles of beach, instead of reducing it. But what you said is true, bot of our plans will have resistance. All change is resisted at first.

You'd still have to evacuate coastal areas due to severe risk of tidal wave activity etc.

Speaking of loose, how is that cape/shawl/hood thing staying on? Not well I would imagine.

OKAY we seem to be at the point of exhaustion for these arguments. At least, I'm not doing well at thinking up more. That was fun. :>

So hey Magma, what are you going to be attempting to do in the [inevitable I swear] RSEmakes?

I was afraid I was going to have to concede defeat actually, so I'm glad you called that to an end. Fabulous debate though. We need more members. This is so much fun they don't even know what they're missing. xD

Very carefully. *shot*

Well I imagine that in one of the games we will be kind, altruistic souls, fighting for the greater good. What about you, Aqua?

(You just can't get rid of me. Tell me if I'm posting too much, okay? xD)

Oh I know! We need to recruit somehow.

Probably much the same. I wonder what new things we can come up with to stop your intrusion, Magma? Or will you be on the quiet while we do our thing?

(Oh no such thing as too much! It's just that we totes need more people. xD;)

How would we do that? Lots of advertising? Or maybe we should internet-kidnap people and bring them here. I'm thinking maybe mind control~

Now why would we be quiet and let you have your way, Aqua? It's you we need to be worried about here.

(But how would we get more people? You'd think surely someone other than Ozzy and me would have joined by now. xD)

Go poke some Hoenn fans or something I dunno. People are very resistant to adverts by now.

Because we have things to do, oh yes. It's not just Kyogre this time. You'll see!

(You'd.. think. Man I hope we get more though because until we do we can't do much for like... contests and things I don't think.)

I'm not sure I know too many Hoenn fans. I'll try and see if I can convince anyone to join though, just through conversation, because advertising really isn't the best idea, I agree.

Oh I'm sure we will see. And then we'll try to stop you, of course.

(Yeah, four members isn't much for any kind of event. I guess people just don't like the Hoenn villains quite as much as the others? This club has such a nice concept though.)

The thing about this is that it's like... the Hoenn teams don't have any new information forthcoming. It's been what, seven years since Emerald? About the same length since they last showed up in the anime, too. It's hard to keep things active or keep an interest when there's nothing going on. But! We can try. And also have fun.

So what are you hoping to see for your team in the RSEmakes, then? Like better/more varied Pokémon, more hideouts, etc.

AlexOzzyCake said:

They aren't evil; they're doing what they're doing because they think it'll improve the world. They're actively trying to help people rather than hinder them, so I don't understand why they only use evil-associated Pokémon. With teams like the Rockets, it's obvious that they should be using these Pokémon because they're trying to take over the world, not improve it. But I don't think Aqua/Magma should appear as evil like that.

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At first I was going to argue that while they think they're doing good, they're also causing a lot of problems for other people in the process, but I actually see what you're trying to say. Why would a team that thinks it's doing good only use Pokemon that are supposed to be 'evil'?

EternallyAnna said:

So what are you hoping to see for your team in the RSEmakes, then? Like better/more varied Pokémon, more hideouts, etc.

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Well there are a lot of new Pokemon out there now, and so I'd have not objections if the Hoenn Dex was expanded a bit. There just aren't a whole lot of fire alternatives for Magma. Maybe they could use ground or rock types?

I also would love to see them (or any team for that matter) have more involvement in the storyline, or at least more well tied together involvement.