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Should the show bring back Brock and Misty?

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As much as I'd like to see Misty and Brock return to the anime, it'll likely never happen, and even if it does, it'll only be for a few episodes and then they're gone again. All the 'returns' of Ash's past traveling companions have only been for a couple of episodes or so each.
 

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The thing is, DBZ fan, that you're looking at it from a storytelling perspective rather than a promotional perspective. The reason the main girl has been replaced in this pattern is to promote the new generations. The reason Brock was replaced was for promotion- of both the new generation and the "reset" feel they were going for. It was not because the writing dictated they be replaced due to closed arcs; that was just a side-effect of the later closures. Misty did not get an especially good closure because she had not gotten much development prior to the set time of the AG switch. As far as I can tell, by the time they decided she was going to leave, it was too late to expand a lot on her character. We did see a sudden upswing in her accomplishments in late Johto- she won the Seaking fishing competition and the Tour de Altomare, and did well in the Whirl Cup. But ultimately she was essentially forced to give up travelling and take care of the gym, which leaves her in an unfortunate position- she is stuck where she is with little room for expansion. That's her ending, really, which is not nearly as happy as May or Dawn's. Those two left Ash and Brock after significant personal development and continued to pursue their dreams. Misty, as far as we can tell, got neither of those things.

((Let's take an aside and talk about closure- the word seems almost misleading when the characters we deem as receiving better closure actually have not shut the doors on their journeys but instead continue to learn and grow and experience beyond the confines of the screen we view them from.))

From a storytelling perspective, Misty's ending is very weak. Her developmental arc was nearly nonexistent. It would be wonderful if she either came back under better writing or got a spinoff series or something to remedy the injustice to her character. But from a marketing perspective, that's probably not going to happen. The companions are for promotion. And the number of Kalos natives is already a significant amount; it'd be a shame not to at least use some of them. And then the writers would be juggling characters as they tried to feature the Kalos kids enough to get the direct promotion in while also rewriting Misty (and Brock, if you want the original trio) and honestly it would be a confusing mess of too many things jammed into one place.

Like I said before, the best chance of an Original Twerps reunion would be a filler saga in between times of essential promotion. And then I would love to see them back- as long as there was significant character development for Misty involved.
 

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I honestly believe this depends on the amount of nostalgia about the previously main supporting characters you have. This means that, if you watched the anime from Diamond and Pearl or even the Hoenn Arcs, you wouldn't feel sorry or have any longing for Misty to return back and stay for the new styles of the camera and of course the new feel of things. I personally feel it'd be interesting to see Misty come back and catch new Pokémon such as Carracosta, Oshawott etc. If my memory serves correct, she never caught a starter Pokémon (please correct me if I'm wrong) and that is something I'd want her to explicitly use.

Therefore it is rational from my part to have a longing for old characters, mainly Misty, to come back to the anime at least semi-permanently since I have watched Pokémon Anime since Ash was halfway through Kanto. It would certainly be nice to see how she's fared.

As for Brock... I can't say how much I can say about him. He was the "perfect" companion for Ash, just that Unova changed him just for the heck of a change, and no doubt everyone must be missing him by now. I honestly think that he was serious when he should be serious, rational when he should be rational, and comic-relief when he should be comic-relief. The insanely hilarious way in which he tips Kenny on how to pick up Dawn as a date was rather impressive, and so was his reaction.

Personally I loved the character development Brock had given Ash, and the various miscellaneous things Brock was talented at. It showed that he was truly an "all-around good guy". And his flirting with the women of the anime was also pretty funny, and how he was stricken to see the ring on Cheryl's finger. It showed good examples for the children for comedy, and also not to take such things seriously considering they're just children. I know some may disagree, but this is the ultimate truth on the subject. It saddens to see that Cilan didn't pass on about half the things Brock did, and really, the whole "connoisseur" rubbish was truly not necessary, however I was piqued by this. And the fact that he isn't so interactive with Ash on things and stuff as Brock was (if you'd like I can compare) but this doesn't mean Cilan is bad. This just means Brock is better, and I'm saying this half-rationally and half-biased by my nostalgic sense.

The development and ending of Misty wasn't really at all nice, and the fact that she wanted to become the "Water Pokémon Master" made the common children assume that she was destined to become inferior to Ash, as Ash wanted to become the "Pokémon Master", or in a sense "All Pokémon Master" (with reference to "Gotta Catch Em All!") which relates to "All-types Pokémon Master". Also I felt that her exit was unnecessary, or in other words unreasonable or irrational, which might add to the part that wants Misty back. So I would really like to see more personal development in Misty.

Seeing that the next girls who accompanied Ash had taken up all of Misty's qualities and improved upon them, I'd like to see this happening with Cilan more as well.

But speaking of things I'm feeling that this bringing back of things would eventually cause confusion since it would really be hard to keep the storyline steady without finding loopholes on what and where they've went. Also, it would be good to see more replacements in general in the anime, since the changes would really help keep the interest in. I know I might be contradicting my own points in some ways, but yes. It did eventually start to feel boring when Ash went to Johto, it was as if just a minor extension, nothing more. Since Hoenn was a bit different from Johto and Kanto, I guess that's when this idea of swapping the characters came up. Also, I don't see why they should keep this tradition of Gym Leaders/associates following through with Ash on his journey, if one has played Black 2 and White 2 then it would feel weird to see fierce Iris accompanying Ash with her Axew.

All in all, even though I'd love it, a change like this may be redundant.
 
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The thing is, DBZ fan, that you're looking at it from a storytelling perspective rather than a promotional perspective. The reason the main girl has been replaced in this pattern is to promote the new generations. The reason Brock was replaced was for promotion- of both the new generation and the "reset" feel they were going for. It was not because the writing dictated they be replaced due to closed arcs; that was just a side-effect of the later closures. Misty did not get an especially good closure because she had not gotten much development prior to the set time of the AG switch. As far as I can tell, by the time they decided she was going to leave, it was too late to expand a lot on her character. We did see a sudden upswing in her accomplishments in late Johto- she won the Seaking fishing competition and the Tour de Altomare, and did well in the Whirl Cup. But ultimately she was essentially forced to give up travelling and take care of the gym, which leaves her in an unfortunate position- she is stuck where she is with little room for expansion. That's her ending, really, which is not nearly as happy as May or Dawn's. Those two left Ash and Brock after significant personal development and continued to pursue their dreams. Misty, as far as we can tell, got neither of those things.

((Let's take an aside and talk about closure- the word seems almost misleading when the characters we deem as receiving better closure actually have not shut the doors on their journeys but instead continue to learn and grow and experience beyond the confines of the screen we view them from.))

From a storytelling perspective, Misty's ending is very weak. Her developmental arc was nearly nonexistent. It would be wonderful if she either came back under better writing or got a spinoff series or something to remedy the injustice to her character. But from a marketing perspective, that's probably not going to happen. The companions are for promotion. And the number of Kalos natives is already a significant amount; it'd be a shame not to at least use some of them. And then the writers would be juggling characters as they tried to feature the Kalos kids enough to get the direct promotion in while also rewriting Misty (and Brock, if you want the original trio) and honestly it would be a confusing mess of too many things jammed into one place.

Like I said before, the best chance of an Original Twerps reunion would be a filler saga in between times of essential promotion. And then I would love to see them back- as long as there was significant character development for Misty involved.

I know what you mean.
In reality Misty was in anime at time when formula was mainly centralized around Ash not having chance to have fully fledged out story like May or Dawn had.
Most of her growth happened gradually coming through episodes either centered on her or ones where she shared focus with someone else , while sometimes getting arc for herself like Whirl Cup. While majority of her focus and screen time was connected with Ash growth as trainer helping him to improve and better himself, playing role in various episodes by helping resolve various plots, helping other characters and how to solve their issues learning things in process.

As result of that her aspirations, goal of becoming water pokemon master and plots which formed her story ended underdeveloped leaving many things unexplored about past, her trainer abilities and what path she requires to follow in order to achieve her dreams.
We don't know even motives behind Misty's desire to become water pokemon master and what influenced her to have preference for one type never achieving something significant enough which would push her forward or fill her realization how to achieve dreams either.
. In reality majority of Misty character development came in emotional sense from adjusting to Ash, Brock, Pikachu etc, learning how to be more open and discover her own qualities breaking free from egocentric sisters influence, develop her own talent as trainer and learn how to become more responsible and confident in her own abilities gradually exploring on various sides of character through sagas she traveled through(like hotheadedness, sarcasm, passion for romance and water types, girly aspect etc). As such when she received character development it was usually believable and endearing to follow. Misty gaining sisters respect getting over complex of feeling less worthy, getting over Gyarados fear, growing as water trainer coming in light of more confident and responsible person, bonding with various pokemon like Marill etc were all examples of some quality done job.

In end Misty developed to some extent as person(though there exist room to be done more there too), but her growth as trainer didn't accompanied that leaving sore taste in mouth.

If we look back at end of Johto, Misty left in such rushed manner that there was no build up prior to that or any questioning in Misty character just enjoying in company of her friends while working toward dreams.
Considering how her story wasn't fleshed out enough and unmasked top allow to take character from point A top point B wrapping things up there was no other conceivable option to write Misty out at end of Johto but to abruptly break her own desires and journey being forced to go back to her hometown and help sisters out.

Going by narrative way in which Misty was replaced left several windows open through which writers could easily do something with her being put on a bus.
That usually happens when writers want to make sue to have that "extra option", leaving Misty story on purpose unresolved(like goal of water master, not being set what are future plans along with several unanswered things) to have easier way of bringing her back in case they decide to do something in future.

Which in a way puts her in favorable position making it all that much easier for writers to bring her back.Unlike May and Dawn she isn't dependent on game quests like contests, her role hasn't been solidified to such degree that her rejoining to cast would damage storyline and anime exclusive dreams which don't depend on game quests and liberty of not being tied to any specific generation like game protagonists are gives writers liberty and chance to fit her in any region being easily infiltrated within current story and plot.
In other words they left her water master goal and story lingering in air allowing to do with character whatever they want with purpose of advancing her career and build up on what they established before.Whether it involves expansion on water master career making further steps forward by entering competitions related to Whirl Cup. Take step forward with her pokemon building up on team through evolutions, new captures or intense work. Such as Psyduck learning how to swim and battle being plausible way to showcase her further growth as trainer . Follow Wallace footsteps who left gym to improve skills eventually becoming champion and one of best water trainers in world to develop battle style, sharp her skills and meet strong specialists from which she could learn what it takes to become one of best etc.

While putting on table new, fresh approach through which water types could be advertized in different way and have develop character forward.

So while chance isn't very big, its not impossible that staff at some point takes in consideration revival of some of popular older characters already proving to possess appeal and required popularity to return and even exceed invested money in their revival.

Way i see it they only need slight motivation, push to dare themselves to bring back older friends for awhile to shake things up and recapture watchers interest.And Misty is massively popular with whole internet being full of fans demanding her return. For any other character which left cast there has never happened such backlash and desire that he comes back to main cast again like its case with Misty. No pun intended but this i believe only reflects people disappointment of way character was replaced unfinished never being given justice and enough development.Which says something.

Im not proposing that new characters gets shafted in favor of older ones, but if you cut down a bit on constant cycling bringing new companions at slower speed(such as one at time instead of complete cast revamp after every four years)finding way to tie previous companion in show story without hurting growth of new character could establish groundwork for new fresh interactions, allow us to learn more about favorites we like doing sequel to their story bringing new, unpredictable change of pace to current formula.

In nutshell im not against adding new characters, im not against chronicles but i also believe mix of older and new in form of rotation could definitely work with older companions having chance to go through more meaningful growth because of this and help promote games through new pokemon, new events they would enter connected to games and certain brand, familiarity they could recreate around themselves acting like new saga representatives.

Especially in filler regions like OI or Battle Frontier was which are much less focused on game promotion like main regions are, with writers having more liberty in including older characters back. For same reason filler arcs have more references to past,older pokemon are more promoted etc. We cant deny how chances for past character return are bigger in filler arcs,where advertizing of new region isnt so much prevalent like its case with main sagas.

Ironically it seems our views manage to somehow bypass themselves because when taking about Misty or Brock return i mainly referred to mini arcs which serve as bridge filling up time between older and new generation as well agreeing with your proposal of bringing them back in such sagas.

Perhaps biggest chance for Misty becoming major character again is if writers one day reunite original trio when pokemon comes to an end with purpose of things coming to full circle to emphasize better on show going back to its roots if they decide to end it in such way.
Original trio was proven to be successful being extremely popular to this day starting pokemon series becoming iconic and most recognizable group in this show so i wouldn't completely rule out possibility of getting them reunited for last season or something with demand for it being huge among fans.

So pardon me if it didn't seemed that way but in general i agree with you when it would be most optimal time to bring Misty or Brock back in case writers ever decide to return them again.

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To ★Hoenn★: I admit in many ways i share same sentiment as you do about this.
Personally i liked May, Dawn and Iris, but i can say how anime for me lost great deal of appeal, lively humor, sarcasm and flare Misty colorful personality brought to anime with series losing that level of emotion, identity and charm said character strong presence brought to it. Her niche of using mostly water type which i find kinda cool and unique compared to others, sad background growing without parents being constantly mocked by older sisters and all those things she gave to anime helping Ash to grow, playing role of classic heroine saving people lives, helping others about problems ad bringing humor and endearing dynamic with her tantrums and various passionate sides on daily basis made her complete and relatable in many ways.

As for her water master career interesting detail is it implication in original series how Misty goal involves becoming strongest water trainer in world being on pair with E4 members. Who are best mono trainers often being labeled as one type masters, with Misty showing clear fascination over Lorelei being her idol. So there exists high indication of Misty water master career involving to become one of E4 members. Which is very prestigious and renown position for any aspiring one type trainer and logical step forward from current position.
 
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Truth is, I think we get plenty of promotional material in the form of the region, Pokemon, gym leaders, rivals, side characters etc. Yes we've got a ton of companion choices this time but I still don't think its the best solution to use them every single time. Misty and Brock had their break, and now I feel its time for game companions to have the same. Let old become new again. For something with a legacy like Pokemon, that's a recipe for success.
 
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Actually No ,
A lot of Older fan believe that bring Brock & Misty back will solve all the problem but that isn't true .
The Jotho series consider to be boring even with Brock & Misty around .
So , There no point of bring them back .
The main reason why they were so appealing in Original series because Writer only focus on their Role rather then their Goal .
However , Writer start to focus on Misty & Brock's goal in Jotho and that when the Anime started to get boring .
Pokemon is an Anime series about Ash's journey to become a Pokemon Master So Misty & Brock's role was simply to accompany Ash & help him reach his goal .
The Original series was completely focus on that and that why it was more appealing then other series .
But writer decide focus on EVERYBODY GOAL and at the end the show got boring and nobody got proper development because of this .
Pokemon is show that can focus on One Goal , not multiple Goal .
Have ''One Piece'' for example !
Do you guy think "One Piece'' Mangaka develop Zoro & Sanji because they are Luffy's friend and comrade
No Nonono No No No !
The ''One Piece'' Mangaka develop those character because they need to be strong in order to help Luffy become Pirate King and Find ''One Piece'' .
''One Piece'' may have a lot of develop cast character but at the end the story only focus on ONE MAIN GOAL .
So , There no point of bring Brock & Misty back .
Instate , Pokemon Director must focus on Only One main Goal and Connect all other character in the goal .
So , Ash's new traveling companion has to be someone who goal is somehow connected to accompanying Ash.
For example ,

-A research assistant who's dream is to meet every single legendary Pokemon.

-A talent agent who searching for Potential Pokemon trainer .

-A spoiled rich girl who run away from home after her father tried to engage her to someone she doesn't like (Similar to James).
She searching for her Own Goal .

-A Shrine Maiden who has a mysterious vision about Legendary Pokemon and she's been targeted by A Evil . She refer Ash as the chosen One who will decide the faith of the world .

A new traveling companion like this will be much better then another coordinator , Type Master Or Misty & Brock .
 

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And that means for us here now, he never was a constant fixture of the anime.
I beg to differ.

I believe he's the character holding sixth place for amount of episodes he's been in- Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth all come before him in that list even disregarding BW.
That's really a stretch, don't you think?

We did get some very interesting and fun characters out of this shift, but I do believe BW was let down by the character writing.
How does this help your argument?

We are joined by a companion of the "wild girl" type, who has backstory featured in a few episodes and a repaired relationship with her Pokémon. This does not seem to affect her overall character.
We're not talking about Iris, though.

That's very much established by their familial backgrounds. Brock spent years upon years being mama and daddy to a gaggle of essentially orphaned children. His passions are Pokémon breeding and doctoring- the care and raising of Pokémon. "Mama" is written into his core being.
All the more reason he should've stayed.

Cilan is one of a set of triplets, together from the outset and probably throughout their whole lives. He did not have to raise his brothers; they grew together and learned with each other rather than from one of them.

Cilan was introduced with no emphasis on developmental guidance- his introductory episodes prove that he is far more interested in Ash and Pikachu's connection than anything. This initial fascination goes on to become admiration, inspiration, and after a while a deeper interest in Ash himself and not just the connections between him and his Pokémon.
I don't understand how either of these do anything to add to your statement, positive or negative.

I'm really surprised that I still have to draw people's attention to this.
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As I and many others have been saying since Cilan's debut- he is not Brock's replacement. The only real similarity between the two roles is that both cook and are the most responsible group member.
So, what you said before about Tracey *replacing* Brock… is that not relevant?
 

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And I wonder how that entire post is not a personal attack on me?

1. Being replaced for a season means that Brock is not a permanent.

2. JJ&M have been in every single episode since OS002 to DP191. That is already more than Brock, as he did not join until OS005 and was out for Orange. He then did not continue to Unova, where JJ&M did. They have been in more episodes than he has. That is a fact. Not a stretch in the slightest.

3. It is an observation related to what I was saying.

4. The topic is in relation to both Brock and Misty, the main guy and girl companions. In a general statement covering the whole of the topic question, Iris is perfectly relevant.

5. In your opinion.

6. This is called character analysis, and is in relation to the topic.

7. You link that as if this post is not a direct attack on me.

8. It is of course relevant, as from the outset Tracey was written as a substitute Brock rather than his own character.

I would appreciate you continuing to discuss the actual topic at hand rather than directly attacking minor points and apparently missing the entirety of the discussion beyond the one post you feel like you were attacked with. Your behaviour right now is quite rude, as you are both attacking me personally for no real reason and ignoring all other very interesting contributions to this thread. It seems as if you have not read beyond that one post and that is very unfair to the rest of the people who have made valuable points. Even ignoring that, you seem to have come in here with the intention to nitpick my post and start an irrelevant argument. This behaviour is not condoned anywhere on PC. Please cease and desist. Thank you.

All further potential posters, let this not deter you from continuing the discussion that had previously been active.
 

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It's too late. They could have done this in Diamond/Pearl, perhaps even Black/White, but the moment they got rid of Brock, all hope for that was lost.

Misty no longer has her Togepi, and no longer has difficulty commanding any of her pokemon.
Brock is no longer a breeder, and has no reason to go on travels.

The only way I could see this happening is if Ash were to travel through Kanto again... no wait, we already did that during Battle Frontier, nevermind.
 

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According to Serebii, Takeshi is making a cameo in Dekorora... (wonder why no one made a thread about it...).
Animators know what they are doing ;) Because fans are still demanding old cast to come back, they can bring them for a cameo and satisfy the fans' needs.
If they brought old cast permanently, it wouldn't be so interesting.

I, for one, don't want old cast to go back... change is change ;)
 
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It's too late. They could have done this in Diamond/Pearl, perhaps even Black/White, but the moment they got rid of Brock, all hope for that was lost.

Misty no longer has her Togepi, and no longer has difficulty commanding any of her pokemon.
Brock is no longer a breeder, and has no reason to go on travels.

Actually even in chronicles Misty had problems in controlling her Psyduck teaching it to swim or battle. There is also Starmie, Horsea, Azurill or Luvdisc which has ton of potential left to have them grow.
She is still unable to teach some of her pokemon to battle struggling over it having far way to go which creates promising potential to do something worthwhile with character. We could see something being done about Psyduck with Misty learning how to utilize his powers which would serve as notable indication that her skills increased connecting on closer level with pokmon(someone who wants to master them needs to understand their in and outs). Learn how to develop defense against electric or grass types with water pokemon and overcome their weakness. Aloing with learning about more effective ways of battling and learning how to be more open minded toward all kind of pokemon judging them by their inner strength and not beauty which used to be case many times in past. I think it would be interesting if she ever encountered Surskit which is half water, half bug. It could allow for some great development helping Misty to overcome her fears when having to battle against bugs growing in stronger trainer because of it, increasing chances of becoming water mastere or Lorelei apprentice(E4 are basiucally top class mono trainers) in future and fulfilling her dream.

I could see her leaving gym following other water experts footsteps at some point to improve and learn more as trainer, collecting new rare water pokemon, enter tournaments with strong competition like Whirl Cup was to prove herself to trainers and specialists worldwide ranking up as trainer and getting promoted from gym position to higher level advancing her dream.

If Brock ever returns though his new carer of pokemon doctor provides new and fresh material to take his story in several different directions so while highly unlikely if writers ever bring him back im sure thy could revamp his character enough to make him work again. Traveling to gather knowledge about taking care of pokemon and healing learning from other skilled doctors in world could be motivation which he could need to pass tests before becoming doctor(aside from studying) possibly having to show how skilled he is in various things which include battling too to better determine in how good shape his pokemon are.

Like i mentioned before when show comes to end,writers might reunite original trio for one more adventure to better recreate attempt of going back to roots,tying up loose ends. Since at that time anime wont be focused much on game promotion being moistly about wrapping things up and building things up toward grand finale leaving them chance to do things to their own according.

I believe this would be best chance to return Misty and Brock for one more journey rekindling their friendship with Ash and restore bond they shared remembering good old days and going forward in company when writers decide to have their life paths cross with each other again.
 
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Hmmm I was thinking about that today. I am on a Pokemon marathon watching all the episodes from the very beggining and I can see that Ash and Misty have such a strong bond. I think from all the characters that Ash has travel with, Misty is his favorite haha But no they should not bring them back as regulars. I would like Ash to travel alone this time( but this won't happen :( ) I would really love if Ash introduces them to Iris and Cilan and spend some time together and have some adventures all together in Kanto, before he goes to Kalos.
 
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Nope ,
Specially now that Misty has clear goal now !
Afterall , Jotho journey considered to be boring even with Misty & her development.
Its because In Kento Misty didn't had a clear goal and the Anime was focus on her supporting Ash .
Pokemon Anime need a cast girl who doesn't have a stable goal like Kento Misty Or her goal is something that will be automatically fulfill as long as She support Ash .
Basically someone writer can shove all the underdeveloped & Underevolved Marketable cute Pokemon .
 
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Brock IS coming back! I saw it on a a Japanese trailer!!!!
 

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Brock already moved on with his life same way gary did plus he does eventually have to go back to being a gym leader I heard rumors he's coming back for a cameo in XY in a special the cast was at its best with may and max but I like the whole concept of new region new friends but I wish older characters made alot more cameos not just one random episodes
 

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I used to think that they shouldn't have ever replaced Misty or Brock. I used to hate the new companions. However, now that I've been without them for so long, I've began accepting the new characters (for the most part).

I think that bringing them back is like trying to bring back the good times.

For example, when you were young, playing at the park on the swing sets was fun. A LOT OF FUN. You remember that deep inside and smile just thinking about it. You obviously want to bring that back right? Yeah! So you go to the parks and swing on the swings, play on the monkey bars...but something doesn't feel right. It's just...not as fun anymore as it used to be.

I kinda see that as Misty and Brock. They were fun but I worry that they won't be as fun if they stayed/came back. For an episode to reunite would be loads of fun, don't get me wrong. Just not as Ash's companions.
 

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Brock should come back because if he wants to become a great breeder being with ash was and would be a great way to perfect that. If he wants to become a doctor for pokemon being out there and in the field with them is still a great opportunity to be with ash. Whoever said that thing about One Piece utter BS, the overall goal for the straw hat pirates and the book is to find the one piece, being part of the king of pirates crew would be a great honor so they would need to have character development and alot of thought put into them and remember Luffy normally tricks them into joining because they believe they will reach their goals with luffy which will probably happen so all you said about not focusing on their goals well your wrong because in order for them to reach their goals they need to help everyone else reach theirs.

BRING BACK BROCK Obama and Misty!
 

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