FireRed hack: FireRed 649 Patch

jog5454 said:

Does anyone know of a 649 patch for any other pokemon games?

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Yes, Chaos Rush is working on one for Ruby. He is also the man that is making the sprites for this patch.

karatekid552 said:

Yes, Chaos Rush is working on one for Ruby. He is also the man that is making the sprites for this patch.

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Actually, I believe he stopped working on it because he decided to work on Fire Red.

Also, I created a text document that labels almost ALL the changes done to the rom.
I didn't include changes to pointers because then the file would be double in size.
If anyone asks, I might upload it.

Dragoon said:

Also, I created a text document that labels almost ALL the changes done to the rom.I didn't include changes to pointers because then the file would be double in size.
If anyone asks, I might upload it.

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I'd like to see it. Maybe it would help with me figuring it out.

I've fiddled around with A-Trainer and a hex editor to see if i could make a Trainer who uses the newer pokes. Turns out I can =).
Problem is i can't assign their pokes newer moves for a custom moveset. I've looked into the hex editor and correctly found where the information is stored, however I simply don't know the numbers for the moves.
Any help on the matter would be great.
TweenyTodd

TweenyTodd said:

I've fiddled around with A-Trainer and a hex editor to see if i could make a Trainer who uses the newer pokes. Turns out I can =).
Problem is i can't assign their pokes newer moves for a custom moveset. I've looked into the hex editor and correctly found where the information is stored, however I simply don't know the numbers for the moves.
Any help on the matter would be great.
TweenyTodd

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Couldn't you just use PGE amd edit the .ini file? You would need to know the offset of the new pokemon data, but by the above, it seems you do, and if not, hopefully Dragoon will post his document.

On the other hand, you could do it with a hex editor by going to Bulbapedia and looking at the list of moves, converting their numbers to hex and then inserting them. The last time I looked at move sets, I believe the format was [level learned-X2 (one byte)][move number in reverse hex order(two bytes)] but I could be wrong since it has been a while because.... Who uses a hex editor when you can use YAPE or PGE?:p

Nyndyll said:

I'd like to see it. Maybe it would help with me figuring it out.

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Well, that is assuming that Jambo is okay with me actually doing it. If he doesn't mind, then maybe. But if he does...I don't know.

Dragoon said:

Well, that is assuming that Jambo is okay with me actually doing it. If he doesn't mind, then maybe. But if he does...I don't know.

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I'm perfectly happy to let you do it. Why wouldn't I be?

On another note, sorry for the lack of updates, been extraordinarily busy with University coursework and general life. I've developed a Battle Script editor to help make creating the new moves easier, so hopefully that'll help when I do get around to working on it.

karatekid552 said:

On the other hand, you could do it with a hex editor by going to Bulbapedia and looking at the list of moves, converting their numbers to hex and then inserting them.

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This worked perfectly. I didn't know how A-Trainer arranged the moves, but now its obvious. Thank You.
TweenyTodd

So, how far along is this project? Is there any chance of seeing hacks based off of it in the near future?

If you're looking for some sprites, I'd always be glad to lend a hand in making some! Just give me a PM or VM if you need any.

Also I was just wondering if you'd be able to give me some basic information about the new abilties and how you implemented them. It's something I'd like to do in the future but there simply isn't enough information out there about how to do it ie. offsets. I found your guide about extending the move table incredibly helpful and without it I'd have no idea at all really.

From what I do understand though, abilities require assembly as opposed to splicing move effects.

I understand completely if you don't have the time!

Thanks for hearing me out!

So... I recently did exactly what we were told not to do and tried some wild battles with some pokemon after duosion. I never got an error from the game, instead of giving the correct sprite, I got another's sprite.
(Ex: Expecting to find a Genesect lvl. 100 but found a Genesect lvl. 100, but appeared as a wormadam.)

Note: This may not be new information, but I felt that it may interest some people that the game never crashed.

Nyndyll said:

So... I recently did exactly what we were told not to do and tried some wild battles with some pokemon after duosion. I never got an error from the game, instead of giving the correct sprite, I got another's sprite.
(Ex: Expecting to find a Genesect lvl. 100 but found a Genesect lvl. 100, but appeared as a wormadam.)

Note: This may not be new information, but I felt that it may interest some people that the game never crashed.

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Bad example, as Genesect and Meloetta happen to have valid sprite data. I used their slots to insert the alternate sprites for Wormadam and Burmy. Most Pokémon above Amoonguss (I haven't updated that first post for ages) don't have sprites.

ETA: Hey guys, did a bunch of ASM work last night, and I got a bunch of new move effects working. The moves which I did are the moves with variable base power. The only moves I (knowingly) skipped over in that category were Natural Power and Fling.

Haven't updated the patch just yet, just wanted you guys to know development is still progressing, albeit slowly.

karatekid552 said:

Yes, Chaos Rush is working on one for Ruby.

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um no I'm not. I stopped working on that almost a year ago.

He is also the man that is making the sprites for this patch.

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That, however, is true.

Hey Jambo, are you still going to make that document that shows all the changes in the rom like you said you would? Because if you still are, then, my research on the 649 rom seems to be, for nothing.
But I don't know

Jambo51 said:

Bad example, as Genesect and Meloetta happen to have valid sprite data. I used their slots to insert the alternate sprites for Wormadam and Burmy. Most Pokémon above Amoonguss (I haven't updated that first post for ages) don't have sprites.

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So they haves sprite data, it's just not their sprite?

Dragoon said:

Hey Jambo, are you still going to make that document that shows all the changes in the rom like you said you would? Because if you still are, then, my research on the 649 rom seems to be, for nothing.
But I don't know

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Well, if you're doing it, then why should I bother to? I don't mean that in a lazy way, but you've gone to all that work of mapping the additional data, it'd be a shame not to let you release it. I tell you what. Ask me about the stuff you're unsure about, and I'll see if I can work out what it is for you.

Take this discussion to the VMs, though. We don't wanna be spamming up the thread with chat about that.

Nyndyll said:

So they haves sprite data, it's just not their sprite?

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Uh... If you mean Genesect and Meloetta, then yes. But the rest of the Pokémon in between Amoonguss and Meloetta (not inclusive) do not have sprites and could crash the game if you tried to battle them.

Jambo51 said:

If you mean Genesect and Meloetta, then yes. But the rest of the Pokémon in between Amoonguss and Meloetta (not inclusive) do not have sprites and could crash the game if you tried to battle them.

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Okay. That answers my question.

Does Shaymin have a Sky Forme or is it something we should add ourselves?
Is the sprite even there?

TweenyTodd said:

Does Shaymin have a Sky Forme or is it something we should add ourselves?
Is the sprite even there?

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I was just about to ask this! How about giratina? Would we just give it the gisreous orb and it change forme?

Nyndyll said:

I was just about to ask this! How about giratina? Would we just give it the gisreous orb and it change forme?

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Yes, but not in battle sprite. Also, you have to get in battle before it changes sprites in the party menu.

In other news, my game is glitching out. When a new poke like Dialga or Giratina is in my party, my game freezes in wild battle.