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And this raises the question of... Tousen. 8D What would his next cycle be? stuck in a limbo

I think that he would still count as a "Shinigami" who uses powers of a Hollow. So we would get reincarnated, instead of being sent to Soul Society.

Charizard★ said:

I would like to find the answers to those questions soon XD

and

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How strong do you think Ichigo is compared to Aizen? I actually think it'll be a revamped version of him vs. Ulquiorra for some reason :/ Didn't he learn how to control the inner hollow within him again?

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I think Ichigo is probably on par with Aizen now.

smile! said:

It ate my post ;-;
...I mean, I already wrote a LONG reply, then I accidentally ctrl+Z'd a sentence. I tried using the Redo button up in the reply box's various tools, but all it did was reduce the post to its early condition. AAAAA
I HATE when that happens to me!!!
Anyway-

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I think they meant that mentally. They can't have tampered with hollowfication on her. I mean, so far the process of hollowfying only happens to human souls, not the human themselves. And Orihime is just a human with special abilities, much like Ishida/Sado. But knowing Aizen (who has the HOGYOKU), it's plausible, even if it violates the rule of logic. However, we know that Aizen's interest in Orihime was only to lead the shinigami's attention towards her and capture them in Hueco Mundo, so I doubt that he would have done anything more to her.

Yammy... I think he's nothing more than a bag of bullshit. <-THIS. I know he's supposedly the 0th Espada, but so far his only ability that we've seen is to grow humongously big and enormous while showing no additional prowess. And a fact that we all know is that
#1 Arrancars who are Vasto Lorde most resembles a human in his original form, and
#2 An Arrancar goes into his original form when he releases

That being said, the only ones who have shown such abilities are Starrk, Barragan and Harribel, albeit Barragan being slightly... rotten. No pun intendedLOL Ulquiorra had a pair of wings, and Nnoitra had more than 2 arms. Grimmjoww has a bit of animalistic properties, and Zommari... is clearly nowhere near humanoid. Comparing Yammy, to me he looks nothing more than a retarded... ape. <- AND THIS. So, unless he has a special ability that Kubo has yet to reveal, I have a feeling there's a bit more to him though, since his fight isn't over yet. or he somehow plays an important role in creating the Oken (as a sort of sacrifice, perhaps?), I don't see the reason why Aizen made him the 0th Espada.

Now, Ulquiorra. He did say that Aizen himself hasn't seen him in that form, but he didn't explicitly said that Aizen didn't know he has that form, right? I thought it was kinda implied... After all, Aizen recruited all the Espada himself, and Las Noches his palace, surely he would know. Though you may have a point... This is pure speculation though. <-but yeah, exactly. About Ulquiorra vs Yammy, unless Yammy can do any other thing than continuously growing big, I doubt Ulquiorra will have a hard time against Yammy. Ulquiorra seems to be able to "control" Yammy in the sense that Yammy kinda follows his orders. So it seems like Yammy knows Ulquiorra is stronger than him but this is just my own speculation...

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I like Pokemon (...) said:

Something something, Head Captain's name is SLOWPOKE.
ima kara = from now on
soutaichosan no = head captain's name
wa = is
slowpoke = slowpoke
LOL

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It was always assumed that was a "mental" thing. Though if she was Hollowified, then wouldn't we have seen any hints at that? I mean, when Ichigo died, instead of sreaming "Kurosaki-Kun", wouldn't she have been mad enough to try and fight on her own? I dunno, it would just be bad writing for Kubo to just go "oh, yeah, Aizen made her a Vaizard and she kills him with those powers, despite the fact that I never hinted to that".

I guess I can agree with this. ^^

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I would say... It's like Gin. He got hit with an attack that most people think would kill him, but in the next chapter we see a panel of him and he's alive (I remember a small panel with Grimmjow, beaten down and un-released).
Personally, I think that he should have died, but I think Kubo might bring him back out.

Never thought of comparing his condition to Gin until now. XD That's a very interesting notion in its own way. Ouran reference LOL

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This is a much trickier question to answer. We don't know by how much Ulquiorra's power increased. And we haven't seen anything of Yammy's powers. All true...
I also think that Aizen did actually know about Ulquiorra's Segunda Etapa (come on, he knew EVERY SINGLE one of Ichigo's fights), but he placed him where he would be without the power up.
Whether or not Ulquiorra is stronger than Starrk is a tricky question, because, remember, Ulquiorra has high-speed regeneration, which is a MASSIVE advantage. I want that power. =P

As for Yammy, I think it's like Aaroniero. Yammy and Aaroniero are similar in another way... They both scare me. =O He was a Gillian that had powers that made him strong enough to be the top ten, right? So including Ulquiorra, Hallibel, Barragan and Starrk (most likely Vasto Lordes) that means 5 Adjuchas. Now, I know they're rare, but I highly doubt that Aizen only has FIVE Adjuchas, especially since that is one more than how many Vasto Lordes he has, and they're supposed to be a LOT rarer.
What this means is that Aaroniero's special power made him stronger than quite a few possible Adjuchas. Assuming that Yammy is the same, it could make sense for him to be stronger than Starrk.

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He'll have to be strong enough to defeat Aizen, if this really is the final fight. And I think he'll have to control his inner Hollow, as well as learn the FGT, as well as any other bonuses he may get.

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True. But it'd be boring if he completely overpowered Aizen right away. Though I do wish Aizen would die already. XD

Charizard★ said:

Thanks for answering my questions, but I have some more now;
OHEMGEE your questions are endless! XD jk jk

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I know that Cero Oscuras is stronger than a normal Cero but is it stronger then a Gran Ray Cero?

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I know this might be a stupid question, but what happens when Arrancar, Shinigami, or Hollow die? Do they go into oblivion or something?

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Those questions... I'm not actually sure. ^^;;

I like Pokemon (...) said:

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Both Ceros (despite only being used once ever) has been said to be able to be used by all Espada, as well as being said to be many times more powerful than the cero.

But the thing is, if one was more powerful than the other, why use the other one?

The Gran Ray Cero is forbidden under Las Noches' dome, but Cero Oscuras destroyed half of the dome over Las Noches. We can all agree that they are feckin poweful. true dat.

I don't think that it will ever be stated which is stronger than the other, but we can obviously say that Ulquiorra's Cero Oscuras is stronger than Grimmjow's Gran Ray Cero. I don't think you'd wanna be hit with either one though!! XD

I also prefer to think to myself that they are unique to each other. Makes fewer complications like which is stronger, and WHY DID THE OTHER ESPADA NOT USE THEM.

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It's as valid a question as all of your other ones.
We know that Shinigami reincarnate into the Real World.
When Hollows are killed (Quincy killed), they cease to exist.
When Hollows are purified (by a Zanpakutou) they get cleansed and sent to Soul Society (or if they were BAAAAAD they go to hell). love how ya phrase that!! XD
Arrancar, we don't know. One would assume that the same thing happens as a Hollow, but then that may bring up complications if they meet each other again XD I would imagine that they reincarnate like Shinigami.
But most Arrancars are of Menos Grandes, which are made up of many Hollows, which also might prove a problem of "do lots of souls get reincarnated at once?"

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Charizard★ said:

But..

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Don't overtime when souls are in the SS get reincarnated? Or do they just stay there?

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I think souls stay in the soul society for a certain amount of time and then they reincarnate. Or rather, they CAN reincarnate. Because if they become a shinigami or something then they wouldn't really want to. It's kinda confusing...

I like Pokemon (...) said:

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I don't quite understand what you mean by "Don't overtime when souls are reincarnated". Can you please elaborate on that?

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Charizard★ said:

Sorry about that I misstyped ><

I mean;

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Don't overtime when souls are in the SS reincarnate into the real world sooner or later? Or do they just stay their?

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smile! said:

^That is still... incomprehensible. XD


Didn't we already have this convo? :P
*I think we don't need to use spoilers for this, though*

I think Arrancars get the same thing that happens to a Hollow, because in essence, an Arrancar is still a Hollow.

This problem only applies to Gillians, though, I think. Because Gillians are comprised of many Hollow entities. Regarding the other classes of Hollows, (Adjuchas/Vasto Lorde) - they eat other Hollow to evolve, right? So the eaten Hollow would get reincarnated when they were eaten. [Assumption]. But yeah, this leaves a speculation for the Gillian. Would all the Hollow in a Gillian go to Soul society? Who knows...

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And this raises the question of... Tousen. 8D What would his next cycle be? stuck in a limbo

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interesting concept with him... dunno. XD

Charizard★ said:

Sorry, I have a typing problem today D:

Does anyone watch Bleach on Adult Swim?
YES.
I'm getting kinda sick of watching fillers in Japanese then in English. Why does there have to be so many during the Arrancar Arc D:

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I like the Amagai arc. It's my favorite filler arc. And Bleach fillers are pretty good IMO compared to other anime fillers such as Naruto. All IMO of course. XD

I like Pokemon (...) said:

For those of you who wouldn't know (everyone besides me and Charizard★) I sent her a PM (still not understanding what she meant) and she replied:


A soul stays in Soul Society until they die. They only get reincarnated when they are killed.
Really? I thought I heard otherwise... Whatever. lol

I'm pretty sure that we did XD



I was going to write about Gillian, but then I forgot XD.
It would make sense that eaten Hollow get reincarnated, yes, as opposed to being purified XD. Or perhaps they cease to exist (like Quincy killing).

As for Gillian...
When a normal Gillian is formed, I think all of those souls are still inside it, until it gets killed/purified/eaten, where all of those souls disappear/reincarnate/something.
But a Gillian that can evolve (into an Adjuchas or a Vasto Lorde) has to be a special Gillian, no? One where one Hollow kind of... took power over all of the others, these ones have different masks if I'm not mistaken (I may try and find a picture later). In the case of this, I think that the other Hollows "go" in the same way that an eaten Hollow does (we don't know). And that this new Gillian is only one soul.

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I think that he would still count as a "Shinigami" who uses powers of a Hollow. So we would get reincarnated, instead of being sent to Soul Society.

I guess that makes sense.

I don't, no.
And I guess there are a lot of fillers in the Arrancar arc because Kubo is going rather slowly (SHORT FREAKIN' CHAPTERS) and there isn't much else to do besides throw in a filler.

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Chapters are short because it's a weekly manga.

Previous Captains included, that makes a list of:
Yamamoto

Soifon
Yoruichi

Gin
Amagai
Rose

Unohana

Aizen
Shinji

Byakuya
Ginrei (Byakuya's grandad)

Komamura
Love

Shunsui

Tousen
Kensei

Hitsugaya

Kenpachi
Kenpachi

Mayuri
Urahara
Hikifune

Ukitake


Of them, I like Yoruichi, Zaraki and Urahara the most.

As for Espada... I'm really not a huge fan of the bad guys but I kinda like Lilynette. In gun form. Which counts, because that's part of Stark and Lilynette's release, in which she is considered an Espada along with Stark... Yeah. Lilynette gun.

And seriously, am I the only one who compared Stark to Death the Kid from Soul Eater? =O You know, the pistol thing. =P

1. GINNNNNNNNNNNN :D
1.Kyoraku! :D Perverted,lazy,funny,intelligent. All the characteristics of my favourite character. I think his reunion with Lisa was absolutely hilarious XD and not to mention he picks some good lieutenants. :D He defeated one hell of an espada. And he didn't even use bankai. :3

Barragan, what a >_>...though touching anything will turn to old? sounds like Midas XD.
7.Yammy,definition of rage and oversized nothing but power noobs. D;
6.Nnoitora, He's like Kenny. but more more mean. D: he and Syazel turned Nel into a kid. :[
5. Syazel, Pink hair,Mayuri counterpart and epic release. :D
4.Grimmijow release Orihime, epic ceros,like in the bleach games and awesome personality, too bad Nnoitora wounded him. =.=
3. Halibel Only female espada still standing and to be number three. D: She's not suppose to be bad,but Aizen manipulated her mind D: Same with Apache,Sun-sun and Mila-rose. D:
2.Starrk, release form actually looks human, :P yet cool, double pistols. Which he can spam 100 ceros in mere seconds. :D
1.Ulquiorra. Epic sauce, his death touched me, and his release form was freaking awesome. I don't care what other people say about him. D:

Nah, I agree that it's was just something mental.

It could go either way, knowing Kubo. I hope he doesn't die.

Well, I don't think we got to see all of Starrks power, and we have only see that Yammy is the Hulk of Bleach, so idk.
And I believe Ulquiorra in his Segunda Etapa could probably give Starrk a good run for his money.
Espada #1-4 and Yammy in resurrección are all pretty hard to compare to one another in terms of strength.

Like ILP said, I'm sure Ichigo is strong enough now to be on par with Aizen, if not enough to defeat him.

That's another tough question. Like ILP said, both have only been used by one Espada, and both by different Espada.
It would be nice if we had a few more examples of each cero, but oh well.
I would just say that they are both powerful and you probably wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of either.

Not much happened in this episode, pretty much went exactly the the manga counter part. Although it didn't have Mayuri's death glare at Ichigo. But it had Unohana taunting Mayuri. And I still lawled at Kenpachi attacking Ichigo, then getting sucker punched by Yammy. But some of you might be a bit miffed, looks like there gonna be a filler episode. Hopefully it'll only be one or a few episodes and not a whole arc.

OMGOMGOMG ICHIGO <3
GOOOO!!!!! KILL AIZEN!!! SEND HIM TO HELL!!! XD XD XD XD XD
...I don't even mind that it's called "Deicide 20" because Ichigo is finally overpowering Aizen. About time someone does that!!! XD XD XD XD XD KYAHH~~~
XD XD XD XD XD
...Sorry I don't have much else to say... It was a pretty fast paced chapter but it's still pretty damn awesome. XD XD XD

Agreed, Ichigo is basically god right now, he can take aizen down right now if he wanted too. The next chapter will habe an Aizen counter-attack i think. Kubo always has the opponent make a comeback after ichigo or whoever has an epic moment.

I guess you guys have a point about there being a chance of Aizen's counterattack... But I still wish Ichigo would just kill him already.

But you know, I kinda wonder about the Final Getsuga Tensho... I mean... if his reiatsu is "gone" then how will he use a reiatsu based attack from his Zakpakuto like Getsuga Tensho, or FGT?? Supposing FGT is the same type of attack GT...

Guess we'll have to wait...

I'd like to see some flashbacks though, of Ichigo's training... You know, after Tensa Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo fused. XD

Anyway I'm really glad Aizen is finally failing. =P Hahahahaha... ^^;;

"You have thrown away your reiatsu". Interesting concept. Turning your reiatsu into pure physical strength, which makes me think of a few things:
Can he learn Kidou now? Since Kidou and Reiatsu were in the same category in the Battle Charts, I would assume that they are related enough that not having reiatsu anymore would prevent him from using Kidou.
What of Getsuga Tenshou? It's clearly not a melee attack, so it must be a reiatsu attack, no? Is he now unable to use that?
Would this make the Final Getsuga Tenshou a melee attack, or something completely different entirely?
What if Kenpachi did this?

Though, I have to say, it's a good plan. Ichigo has a MASSIVE Reiatsu (as shown when Unohana was surprised that he had a Captain's level Reiatsu, despite his coat being torn) and it seems like it would be rather useless against Aizen, so trading it for pure strength, which will be more useful, is very smart.

Deicide 20... I hope that it stops soon. I like Kubo's silly Engrish titles.

Seeing that massive chunk of land raise up makes me think of how much more epic the anime will be.

Watching Ichigo be incredibly serious and stoic makes me think... What if we had a silly protagonist? Someone like Goku, who would love a fight like this, and would enjoy it, even if he lost Forgetting the fact that the world would end. But, of course, this is Ichigo, our "villain-looking good guy".

The agglutination...? Okay, MangaStream/Blinktopia/whoever is the official translator, you're being a bit show-offy now.

Agglutination comes from the Latin phrase meaning "to glue to", so he's referencing the Zanpakutous joining with their arms. It's also a medical term.

I think Aizen's right, though, it would make sense for Zanpakutou to be at their strongest when joined with their wielders. But how much more epic would it be if Aizen's Zanpakutou broke? I mean, Ichigo's bond with Tensa Zangetsu has obviously grown stronger, but what of Aizen and Kyouka Suigetsu?

I like that Ichigo stopped the blade with his hand. It seems like a reference to when Aizen did something similar. It's a shame that Ichigo didn't do something similar, because that would have been an incredible moment of Ironic Echo.

"I can understand if he can dodge it, even if it's impossible for him to do so, I can understand." Aizen's logic shining through.
Perhaps Ichigo can concentrate his Reiatsu-strength into various parts of his body? To his legs to make him fast, then to his arm for a strong swing, to his hand to stop the blade, etc.

Ichigo's mindraping monolouge is also pretty badass. I was also slightly mindraped myself.

Aizen's talking a lot. You know what that means? He's scared. He's meant to be able to do spells of that level without the chant, and yet he's using the chant because he's afraid that it won't be as powerful.

Black Coffin's going to look epic in the anime.

But the thing is... How did Ichigo destroy it? He can't have used his reiatsu, did he swing his sword?

And Ichigo mentioning that Aizen was wrong about his sword moving the earth... What if that's the same with his Reiatsu? He neither confirmed nor denied that bit, perhaps he still has his Reiatsu, then?

Wow, longer than usual chapter XD Mostly Aizen talking, probably. I'm glad that we're seeing that Ichigo is strong enough to beat Aizen (at least, until Aizen powers up again). But there's that small, nagging feeling in the back of my head that Ichigo shouldn't be that powerful...

Ichigo has the power to kill Aizen, yes, but there's no way he will. The final fight, obviously, needs to be a lot longer than, what, 2 chapters?

Aizen, after going on and on about transcending the powers of Hollows and Shinigami should have some interesting powers, while still retaining his Shinigami powers (Kidou, as we've seen) and maybe even being able to use Cero? This has the potential to be an epic fight, if there's a large variety in attacks. Aizen already has, I think, almost 200 Kidou spells (99 Hadou and 99 Bakudou) including the many that we haven't seen. Not to mention all those variations on Ceros (Grand Ray Cero and Cero Oscuras I'd like to see again), and Balas, and all sorts of Hollow attacks that we haven't seen. As well as all the new godly-powers he now has... This should be INCREDIBLY in the anime if he uses a lot of these.

As for his Hollow form... It all depends on what happened to it and Tensa Zangetsu, since they fused and were defeated.

Like I said before, Aizen has to have a counter attack, otherwise the fight will be too short and boring.