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Old September 15th, 2009 (05:05 AM). Edited January 13th, 2010 by Dark Azelf.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (04:14 PM).
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First post XD

Exactly how viable is a Charge Beam set-up Rotom appliance? I've been thinking about it for awhile, but they are so rarely used that they automatically make me think that they aren't even worth the effort. Only good thing is that Blissey generally can't break its subs so it can set up on it's number one problem counter. Still, I'm not too sure.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (04:23 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Jake♫:
First post XD

Exactly how viable is a Charge Beam set-up Rotom appliance? I've been thinking about it for awhile, but they are so rarely used that they automatically make me think that they aren't even worth the effort. Only good thing is that Blissey generally can't break its subs so it can set up on it's number one problem counter. Still, I'm not too sure.
After playing with Jabba's team (I also used it in early Platinum) it is really fun to use imo. It's really easy to get in a Charge Beam due to its great typing.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (04:49 PM).
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Where can I find a pokemon usage list? Just out of curiosity.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (05:08 PM).
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Where can I find a pokemon usage list? Just out of curiosity.
You can find it here. Just look at Stark Mountain at the beginning of every month for the new month statistics. ;3
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Old September 15th, 2009 (05:09 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Jake♫:
First post XD

Exactly how viable is a Charge Beam set-up Rotom appliance? I've been thinking about it for awhile, but they are so rarely used that they automatically make me think that they aren't even worth the effort. Only good thing is that Blissey generally can't break its subs so it can set up on it's number one problem counter. Still, I'm not too sure.
Huh, Rotom is #5 in usage, that is NOT rarely used.

Charge Beam is a great move on sub rotom, it allows it to boost its special attack and sting quite a bit from experience. Sub also blocks status and escape Pursuit.

Quote originally posted by natedogg:
Where can I find a pokemon usage list? Just out of curiosity.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60906
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Old September 15th, 2009 (06:14 PM).
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Old September 15th, 2009 (06:19 PM).
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Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Naughty / Lonely Nature
132 Atk / 200 SAtk / 168 Speed
Swift Swim

Surf
Seed Bomb
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Focus Punch / Fire Punch / Hidden Power Electric

Nature depends on what hits you plan on taking with Ludicolo more. Naughty would allow you to take on Dugtrio more easily though. Last slot is personal preference.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (06:25 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark_Azelf:
Huh, Rotom is #5 in usage, that is NOT rarely used.
I just meant Charge Beam wise, not actually usage, as I know that Rotom Appliances themselves are quite popular. But still, thank you XD
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Old September 15th, 2009 (08:15 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Jake♫:
I just meant Charge Beam wise, not actually usage, as I know that Rotom Appliances themselves are quite popular. But still, thank you XD
It's actually surprising, looking at the statistics Charge Beam has only ~10% usage on the Rotom Formes, I would have thought it to be a bit higher :O

Still have to try SubRotom, it sounds like a fun time.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (09:29 PM).
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Grass type:

Venusaur/Victreebel @ Poison Barb (Mild; +SA, -Def)

-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Sludge Bomb
-Synthesis

VS.

Exeggutor @ ??? (Modest, +Sp. Atk, -Atk)

-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Explosion (open to suggestions)
-Psychic

Both have different uses and as such, I'm trying to decide on which one to use as it'll determine how I set up the rest of my team. Also open to other good grass types/movesets I haven't thought of!
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Old September 15th, 2009 (10:21 PM).
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Quote originally posted by HashBrownJM:
Grass type:

Venusaur/Victreebel @ Poison Barb (Mild; +SA, -Def)

-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Sludge Bomb
-Synthesis

VS.

Exeggutor @ ??? (Modest, +Sp. Atk, -Atk)

-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Explosion (open to suggestions)
-Psychic

Both have different uses and as such, I'm trying to decide on which one to use as it'll determine how I set up the rest of my team. Also open to other good grass types/movesets I haven't thought of!
Just remember that Exeggutor gets Chlorophyll while Venusaur only has Overgrow, so it generally is a better SunnyBeamer.
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Old September 16th, 2009 (02:19 AM). Edited September 16th, 2009 by Zaradon.
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Let's say that i caught a Abra and EV trained it to 252 SpAtk 252 Speed and 6 Spdef. Then i kill a pokémon with it, will it get any EV then or will the old EV stay?
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Old September 16th, 2009 (02:36 AM).
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What is the breeding chain, or an example of a breeding chain, for:

**Flail** on Bug group babies

Thanks. In Game Boy Advance.
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Old September 16th, 2009 (03:11 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Rebelleon's Evolution:
What is the breeding chain, or an example of a breeding chain, for:

**Flail** on Bug group babies

Thanks. In Game Boy Advance.
For Gen III this could work though there is probably better chains.

Feebas --> Squirtle --> Chikorita --> Paras --> Bug [Eg. Pinsir, Heracross]
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Old September 16th, 2009 (07:37 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Zaradon:
Let's say that i caught a Abra and EV trained it to 252 SpAtk 252 Speed and 6 Spdef. Then i kill a pokémon with it, will it get any EV then or will the old EV stay?
Nope, once you have 510 EVs the Pokemon cannot gain anymore.
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Old September 16th, 2009 (11:19 AM). Edited September 16th, 2009 by HashBrownJM.
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Quote originally posted by Wolf.:
Just remember that Exeggutor gets Chlorophyll while Venusaur only has Overgrow, so it generally is a better SunnyBeamer.
K. Well, guess I'll need to replace my water/psychic, then.

Kingdra @ (suggest something)

+Sp. Atk, -Atk.

Should I go for Sniper or Swift Swim?

-Surf
-Ice Beam/Blizzard (Should I take accuracy over power?)
-Dragon Pulse
-Rain Dance (if Swift Swim, if not, what move?)

And what hold item? I like Kingdra because he has virtually no weaknesses except for Dragon.

And what hold item should Exeggutor hold? And was his moveset good?

And

Ursaring @ Flame Orb w/Guts

or

Snorlax @ Leftovers w/Thick Fat

or

Blissey @ whatever w/Serene Grace?

I'm trying to see who is the most effective normal-typed wall/hard hitting DPSer. Obviously Ursaring is a hard hitter. Snorlax is sort of a cross between Blissey and Ursaring. Blissey, from what I hear, is rather overused and even with max defense EVs only has 130 defense or so, so she can't really take a hit... Advice?

PS - I'm sorry if I'm asking about too many at once. I was going to ask one at a time but I got on a roll.
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Old September 17th, 2009 (12:47 AM).
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Quote originally posted by HashBrownJM:
K. Well, guess I'll need to replace my water/psychic, then.

Kingdra @ (suggest something)

+Sp. Atk, -Atk.

Should I go for Sniper or Swift Swim?

-Surf
-Ice Beam/Blizzard (Should I take accuracy over power?)
-Dragon Pulse
-Rain Dance (if Swift Swim, if not, what move?)

And what hold item? I like Kingdra because he has virtually no weaknesses except for Dragon.

And what hold item should Exeggutor hold? And was his moveset good?

And

Ursaring @ Flame Orb w/Guts

or

Snorlax @ Leftovers w/Thick Fat

or

Blissey @ whatever w/Serene Grace?

I'm trying to see who is the most effective normal-typed wall/hard hitting DPSer. Obviously Ursaring is a hard hitter. Snorlax is sort of a cross between Blissey and Ursaring. Blissey, from what I hear, is rather overused and even with max defense EVs only has 130 defense or so, so she can't really take a hit... Advice?

PS - I'm sorry if I'm asking about too many at once. I was going to ask one at a time but I got on a roll.
It is also weak against grass. And blissey's HP is extraordinarily high, so training its HP is the best option.

Oh, yeah.

Flygon

+speed -sp attack

Moves:

Dragonclaw
Dragonbreath (I know I should replace it, but with what?!)
Earthquake
flamethrower (Not sure whether to keep it...)

Help?
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Quote originally posted by porygon361:
It is also weak against grass. And blissey's HP is extraordinarily high, so training its HP is the best option.

Oh, yeah.

Flygon

+speed -sp attack

Moves:

Dragonclaw
Dragonbreath (I know I should replace it, but with what?!)
Earthquake
flamethrower (Not sure whether to keep it...)

Help?
Umm.....Kingdra is only weak to Dragon. Her Dragon type cancels out her other side's Grass weakness

Anyways try this

Flygon @ Choice Band
Nature : Jolly
EV : 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- U-Turn
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Fire Punch

U-Turn for scouting early-game and he cleans up very well late-game with Outrage/EQ.

@HashBrownJM : Kingdra should hold a Lum Berry or LO but since you're running a Rain Dance set Damp Rock is viable. Swift Swim >> Sniper, it lets you take advantage of your rain and opponent's rain(it he/she sets it up) plus Sniper is not really that common. Blissey always has 252 Def EV's, you may think there is little difference between a Def of 119 and 59 but it allows her to take a lot of physical hits. 252 Def / 80 SpAtk / 176 SpD Calm is the standard now but tbh I find the SpD EV's don't help her too much. You could shift some over to HP if you like. Also Natural Cure is also a must, since it'll let her heal off status =]
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Quote originally posted by HashBrownJM:
I'm trying to see who is the most effective normal-typed wall/hard hitting DPSer.
What is this "DPSer" term ?
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Old September 17th, 2009 (10:05 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Rebelleon's Evolution:
[INDENT]

What is this "DPSer" term ?
Sorry, that's a term from my WoW days. DPS is damage per second. It doesn't translate quite as well in the Pokemon game, but what I mean is something who will hit extremely hard.

Thus far, though, I don't know if I should be using an Ursaring hard-hitter, a Snorlax (or) Blissey wall, or what.

Therefore, I'm asking for advice/suggestions.
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Quote originally posted by HashBrownJM:

Thus far, though, I don't know if I should be using an Ursaring hard-hitter, a Snorlax (or) Blissey wall, or what.

Therefore, I'm asking for advice/suggestions.
The question is then what does your team need more? Are you vulnerable to special attacks, or do you need more physical attacking power? If you want a combination of the two, then Snorlax is probably your best bet, but I don't know what your team is like so yeah =(
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Old September 17th, 2009 (10:50 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Aurafire:
The question is then what does your team need more? Are you vulnerable to special attacks, or do you need more physical attacking power? If you want a combination of the two, then Snorlax is probably your best bet, but I don't know what your team is like so yeah =(
My team is pretty solid with just five. That's why I have options in what I want my sixth, normal-type Pokemon to be. Do I want to annoy my opponent with a wall they can't take down or elicit fear because my Poke is one-hitting everything? Guess that's why my question was so broad.
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Ok I cannot find this anywhere, does Substitute block Sandstorm damage?
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