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Old January 30th, 2010, 10:56 PM
jakel
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Hey I'm new and I have this team, and to tell the truth I know i've messed up. (it's for shoddy). Please give me ANY suggestions at all. Or just completely remake my team. I'm not sure, I'm new.

1. Weaville (focus sash)
EVs Speed 216
Attack 252
HP 42
Jolly

Moves
Brick Break
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Swords dance

Description : this is actually proven to be a solid starter so far. He has a good variety of moves and can take down a ton of starters with there being a small number who could take it down. Physical sweeper. And swords dance is there if I ever get a chance to use it.

2. Charizard Adamant (salac berry)
EVS
252 att
252 special defense
Moves
Fire punch
Earthquake
belly drum
substitute

Description: I've sweeped teams with this so many times it's pretty ridiculous. Stealth rock kills this thing, but switching into a forteress or a scizor is incredible. It's a bellydrumming charizard so I guess another physical sweeper? Blaze +bellydrum + Stab = one hell of a fire punch

3. Suicune bold (leftovers)
Evs
252 HP
252 Def
6 Spec Att
Calm Mind
hp electric
surf
roar
Description. Physical wall? Idk I need help with this one.

Gengar (Choice Scarf) Lonely
252 Speed
252 Spec Att
6 HP
Focus blast
hp ice
shadow ball
thunderbolt
Description: Pretty good revenge killer. Maybe swap hp ice for something and put ice beam or something in another pokemon? Blissey slaughters this but oh well.

Blissey bold (leftovers)

Evs
148 HP
252 spec def
108 spec attack
Moves
Seismic toss
flamethrower
softboiled
thunderwave
Description- Spec wall. Flamethrower is a surprise against forteress but if you have a better build again tell me =D

Fortress Relaxed (leftovers)
Evs
252 HP
114 attack
114 def
Moves
EQ
stealth rock
rapid spin
spikes
Description: PLEASE help me on this one.

In general my team lacks many things. Among which, ice moves =D. Oh and my team has had results. I either get slaughtered or completely dominate. nothing really in the middle
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Old January 30th, 2010, 11:35 PM
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I admit I'm not the best at competitive, especially OU, but Foretress could use Explosion really well I think. It probably doesn't need Spikes AND Stealth Rock, probably just Stealth Rock. Also, try Ice Beam on Suicune, and maybe Hypnosis on Gengar? It may not work well with a Choice Set though. Gengar could do Explosion too now that I think about it...
Also, speaking of Gengar, try Timid or Modest. It adds to its Sp.Atk, which its actually using, instead of its Attack.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jakel View Post
Hey I'm new and I have this team, and to tell the truth I know i've messed up. (it's for shoddy). Please give me ANY suggestions at all. Or just completely remake my team. I'm not sure, I'm new.

1. Weaville (focus sash)
EVs Speed 216
Attack 252
HP 42
Jolly If you are using Ice Shard, go for Adamant.

Moves
Brick Break
Ice Shard/Ice Punch
Night Slash
Swords dance

Description : this is actually proven to be a solid starter so far. He has a good variety of moves and can take down a ton of starters with there being a small number who could take it down. Physical sweeper. And swords dance is there if I ever get a chance to use it.

2. Charizard Adamant (salac berry)
EVS
252 att
252 special defense
252Atk, 146HP, 112Spd. Trust me, after the Salac boost, with 264 Speed, you can outrun anything without speedboosts.
Moves
Fire punch
Earthquake/Dragon Claw
belly drum
substitute
Make sure you have 31 IVs in Speed, otherwise you won't get the magic number 264.
Description: I've sweeped teams with this so many times it's pretty ridiculous. Stealth rock kills this thing, but switching into a forteress or a scizor is incredible. It's a bellydrumming charizard so I guess another physical sweeper? Blaze +bellydrum + Stab = one hell of a fire punch

3. Suicune boldBold on a Calm Minder. Pfft. Use Calm. (leftovers)
Evs
252 HP
252 DefSpDef
6 Spec Att
Calm Mind
hp electric/Ice Beam
surf
roar/Ice Beam
Description. Physical wall? Idk I need help with this one. Physical Wall, eh? You have Calm Mind! This should be your special wall.

Gengar (Choice Scarf) LonelyModest
252 Speed
252 Spec Att
6 HP
Focus blast
hp ice/Sludge Bomb/Trick/Energy Ball/Psychic
shadow ball
thunderbolt
Description: Pretty good revenge killer. Maybe swap hp ice for something and put ice beam or something in another pokemon? Blissey slaughters this but oh well.
Trick, Energy Ball and Psychic are all there to trick your opponent.
Blissey boldCalm(leftovers)

Evs
148 HP
252 spec def
108 spec attack
Moves
Seismic toss
flamethrower
softboiled
thunderwave/Aromatherapy/Heal Bell/Toxic
Description- Spec wall. Flamethrower is a surprise against forteress but if you have a better build again tell me =D

Fortress Relaxed (leftovers)
Evs
252 HP
114 attack
114 def
Moves
EQ/Gyro Ball
stealth rock
rapid spin/Explosion
spikes/Toxic Spikes
Description: PLEASE help me on this one.

In general my team lacks many things. Among which, ice moves =D. Oh and my team has had results. I either get slaughtered or completely dominate. nothing really in the middle
I hope my suggestions help. In actual fact, your team is quite well-built because you have the following:
Physical Sweeper: Weavile, Charizard
Physical Wall: Forretress
Special Sweeper: Gengar
Special Wall: Blissey, Suicune
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Old January 31st, 2010, 09:51 AM
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Thanks a ton zommy one question though, I actually had 252 normal def on blissey because someone said she had high enough s def on her own and now she can withstand spec attacks. is this ok? also, i had eq on forteress because of magnezone so what are the advantages of gyro ball? Everything else though I followed your advice. Thanks a ton!
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Old January 31st, 2010, 10:34 AM
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Umm Suicune NEEDS Bold it already has Calm Mind so having a Calm Nature is pointless due to you already boosting your S.def. That and it needs the + def nature and max def evs to take hits from Mence, Gyarados etc.

Id also just max Zards Speed, since its like really slow lol.

Also yes Blissey wants Def Evs or it loses to everything. 252 Def / 80 S.Att / 176 S.Def @ Calm plz.

Forry set is fine (with Spikes, EQ, SR, Spin) but use s.def evs on it since you only lose 19% physical durability and increases your S.Def durability by like 42%. 252 HP / 252 S.Def / 6 Def @ Impish.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 03:31 PM
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what should suicunes EVS be? and does it need a recover like move?
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Old February 1st, 2010, 10:48 AM
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Thanks a ton zommy one question though, I actually had 252 normal def on blissey because someone said she had high enough s def on her own and now she can withstand spec attacks. is this ok? also, i had eq on forteress because of magnezone so what are the advantages of gyro ball? Everything else though I followed your advice. Thanks a ton!
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252Def on Blissey is fine and to be honest Bold is OK too, but most physical sweepers are easily predicted (for instance, no one runs a Nasty Plot Weavile ) so you can switch to Forretress.
Gyro Ball on Forretress is good for the fact that it is slow. With no EVs in Speed and a Relaxed nature as well as Forretress' already mediocre Speed stat along with STAB, it will take a ton out of your opponent. If you want, you can have Stealth Rock/Spikes/Toxic Spikes, Gyro Ball, Earthquake and Rapid Spin.
Now about Suicune. Bold can help if you want Suicune to be your mixed wall, and if so, get 252HP, 112SpDef and 146 EVs in Defense.
Recovering move on Suicune? Didn't think of that.
Suicune
Pressure
Chesto Berry/Lum Berry/Leftovers
EVs: 252HP, 112SpDef, 146Def
Surf
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Rest

And finally, message regarding VanillaThunderbolt's idea of Gengar with Explosion. Explosion, believe it or not, is a physical move, so if you want it, get a Naive nature.

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Old February 1st, 2010, 12:34 PM
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Hey I'm new and I have this team, and to tell the truth I know i've messed up. (it's for shoddy). Please give me ANY suggestions at all. Or just completely remake my team. I'm not sure, I'm new.

1. Weaville (focus sash)
EVs Speed 216
Attack 252
HP 42
Jolly

Moves
Brick Break / Low Kick
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Swords dance

Low Kick is a lot better than Brick Break since it hits everything that Brick Break needs to, but with a higher damage output. But you might not be able to get it since it's an HGSS only move. Otherwise, it looks decent, just don't expect to sweep teams with this because majority of teams carry priority or a Scarfer.

Gengar (Choice Scarf) Timid
252 Speed
252 Spec Att
6 HP
Focus blast
hp ice
shadow ball
thunderbolt

Timid > Lonely, I don't understand why you're using an Attack boosting nature when no physical moves are being used. Timid allows you to outrun +2 Gyarados, and +1 Naive Salamence.
Comments in bold ↑, the rest was already commented on. Also, Payback can be an option on Forry because it 2HKOs offensive Rotom-A, while also having a chance of 2HKOing defensive variants.

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Now about Suicune. Bold can help if you want Suicune to be your mixed wall, and if so, get 252HP, 112SpDef and 146 EVs in Defense.
Recovering move on Suicune? Didn't think of that.
Suicune
Pressure
Chesto Berry/Lum Berry/Leftovers
EVs: 252HP, 112SpDef, 146Def
Surf
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Rest
Suicune doesn't make a good mixed wall because of its typing. Suicune is weak or doesn't resist much specially based moves outside of Fire (which you already don't take much damage anyway). Plus, max Def helps Suicune from not being 2HKOed by CB Tyranitar's Stone Edge (if you have Leftovers), etc. But it's the OP's choice.
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