FireRed hack: Hidden Ties

[trebornosliw]

Alright, technical problems have been resolved and I'm back to work! Not only that, but Giradialkia made another awesome teaser userbar. Here's a preview, to put it in your sig just go to page 1:

I should note that I'll be using this one in my signature for awhile and not the other two, not because the other two aren't as good, but as a sort of plot advancer. Basically, my signature doesn't have room for three HT support bars, so I'll be rotating which one I use.
@Link, yes, Gardevoir is awful
Oh, I really need a world mapper/inserter right now. I went ahead and threw together the basic layout of the region, I need someone to make a quality map and insert it for me. Any volunteers?

[NiKaNoRoU]

Here you go, the ows that you have requested have been indexed, and zipped.
*fail*

[Dry]

Oh Trebornosliw can i be official reviewer? lol i dno ill be harsh and have high standereds you can give me a critque chart thing that i will use and ill be like a beta testerbut ill be looking more for how the story unfolds ect.

oh and i downloaded it ima go play now XD!

[trebornosliw]

Thanks NiKa! I'll insert these right away. Thanks a lot for being so patient with me :\
And Dry, you can do that if you want... I mean, everyone can do that. I'd be happy to take any constructive criticism.

[trebornosliw]

Okay! So there are a couple of updates. First, NiKaNoRoU's awesome new OW sprites for Gardevoir and Ralts have been inserted! Check them out under screenshots.
Second, I've finished another chapter of the storyline! Unfortunately, I've also exceeded my word limit for the first post . So what I'm going to do, is start a new thread under fanfics just for the in-depth storyline. I'll post a link once the thread is up and running.
Progress is moving smoothly, but it'll be awhile before Beta 1 is ready; I'm adding an event to the storyline that I think (and hope) everyone will find very interesting, an event with heavy involvement from a familiar face. This event will also unlock some novel features, including an alternate Rock Smash method that I'm still testing, and will allow you to meet the first of the Yaesu Emblem Holders. Anyway, things are going great! Keep telling me how to improve, and I'll do my best to make this project better!
Oh, I'm still looking for a world mapper/inserter, if anyone's out there.

[NiKaNoRoU]

Dude, you're praising me too much, stop it

Anyway, I'm glad that they work correctly. Next ones will be teh Hero's OWs!

[Dry]

OFFICIAL REVIEW TIME: [ Not really but i picked up on a few things...:p]
Human frontier the top tiles of the tree includes you when u walk on it for some reason.(which tree ? the one that is down the stairs then up another set.)

Sneasel may need to be edited, as 42 exp gives one level to level 5. and he is generally easy to level apposed to Other Starters.
And has very good stats. So you can ride on the back of sneasel all game. ( i did this)

Noticed that the Utopia was very largely based on Cerulean City not just the inside of the houses but there positions
Also one door doesnt work in there might be a Movement permission that may have been over looked.

The middle of nowhere sign in pokecentre may need to be rethinked with like a supplie stall you use to heal your pokemon.

Convoluted - nice Use of the english language...or pherhaps a theaserus?

Music is the same as normal Fire red which is fine the errie music works for frontier town as it is the edge of exploration.

DO NOT READ SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT BEATEN SHADOW - may be Deleted if the owner wishes it that way...

Spoiler:

Shadow can be taken down with a Sneasel if it knows icy wind quick attack theif + another move. it works well because the icy wind can finish murkrow off before he is a problem,
as with haunter and misardevas only with thief and quick attack is suprisingly effective againts houndoor and u just have to use icy wind on Sable eye a few times to beat it.

The prize you get for beating him is Good as for so early in the game.

Also i like the fact in the utopia you could hear Gastlys Cry throughout it.
The starter choosing is really unique. along with the chansey pokecenter cave part. Also 2nd gen pokemon through out the grass ( you have alot of grass) is good.

Overall 7/10 ( Its really well done and i would like to see more but the unique style wears off when you begin travelling alot, still unique though )

[trebornosliw]

Thanks for the report then, sounds like I need to slow down Sneasel's leveling some :\
Shade is more of a challenge if you're training three or four Pokemon, like I did. He's a side quest though, so the item reward is fine for that. I'll make him a bit tougher too (though that'll happen automatically later in the game).
I didn't use a thesaurus, but I'll take that as a compliment
As for the tree issue, that's some problem with the movement permissions, I think. I'll try changing them to 0 instead of 10 or 14, see if that helps. I ran into that bug earlier too.
Now, Utopia.
The blocked door is supposed to be unopenable. As a matter of fact, door warps still work with a movement permission of 1, there's just no warp there. It's supposed to be a signpost reading "Something is blocking this door from the inside, it's impossible to budge." I'll probably insert a script there or something. The house layout was completely random, btw. That wasn't the old Cerulean map, it was Rock Tunnel 0.o
...and what's this about Gastly's cry?
The abandoned Pokemon center is just there to be creepy, and because I didn't want the player to be teleported all the way back to Hallowed Grove if he/she lost a battle.
I hadn't even checked the music... probably want to change it up for Frontier town. I always play on mute :s
As for the tedium, well, that's the story, really. You're out on the edge of civilization, there's not much to see. It'll get better as you advance further into the region.

And NiKa, thanks a bunch for everything, looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the hero (that is, presuming you decide to be a hero and not a villain...)!

[giradialkia]

Gastly's cry isn't a bug or anything, dude. In any of the 3rd gen games, every once in a while you can hear the cry of any Pokemon that's in the Wild Pokemon data of that map. If you roamed around the Utopia long enough, you'd hear Shuppets and Duskulls, too

[trebornosliw]

Originally Posted by giradialkia

Gastly's cry isn't a bug or anything, dude. In any of the 3rd gen games, every once in a while you can hear the cry of any Pokemon that's in the Wild Pokemon data of that map. If you roamed around the Utopia long enough, you'd hear Shuppets and Duskulls, too

0.o
Seriously? That's awesome! I never knew that!
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I really have nothing else to say...

[Vannah☆]

Amazing alpha. I ended up with lvl 18 gastly, lvl 15 nidoran, lvl 14 sneasel, lvl 16 pidgey, and lvl 14 quilava. Amazing storyline. Cool game. Other than changing the tileset, hero OW, and text (for example when you die, chansey says the same thing Mom normally would, etc.) I think It's perfect.

[trebornosliw]

Thanks Vannah. The hero sprites are currently being created, the tileset...well frankly tile inserting is not my strong point, and the last rombase I tried didn't work out. If you've got some suggestions, please feel free to let me know what they are. As for the Mom text, yeah, that's an issue, but I'm not sure where to find the offset for that particular script, or even how to edit it without glitching up the game. If anyone knows the answer, that'd be really helpful.
...that's a pretty strong team. I'll probably have to make Shade a bit tougher for the next release.

[Dry]

Hope that was constructive it is an awsome game i was just bein like heaps harsh tryin to find the wrong points ... cause if i was too nice u wuld just be like oh ok i dnt need to improve it at all.. were as harsh-ness will hopefully motivate u to improve with each release..

[trebornosliw]

I just have to post something, because I am PSYCHED :D
I've hit that rare moment in scripting when you're working hard, you've got the basic knowledge down pat, and suddenly you realize a miracle has occured;
EVERYTHING IS WORKING!
Seriously, every single script is turning out beautifully, every last detail falling into place, which has never, ever happened before. Most of the mapping for Beta 1 is done already, and I'm scripting like my virtual XSE pants are on fire. Progress on Beta 1 is around 50%, I'll keep you updated. This beta will consist primarily of some major side missions, optional stuff, really, with a key storyline event thrown in as well. I'll have screenshots and a few more storyline chapters for you in about a week, I think.

[Hedgehogger]

Originally Posted by trebornosliw

I just have to post something, because I am PSYCHED :D
I've hit that rare moment in scripting when you're working hard, you've got the basic knowledge down pat, and suddenly you realize a miracle has occured;
EVERYTHING IS WORKING!
Seriously, every single script is turning out beautifully, every last detail falling into place, which has never, ever happened before. Most of the mapping for Beta 1 is done already, and I'm scripting like my virtual XSE pants are on fire. Progress on Beta 1 is around 50%, I'll keep you updated. This beta will consist primarily of some major side missions, optional stuff, really, with a key storyline event thrown in as well. I'll have screenshots and a few more storyline chapters for you in about a week, I think.

Haha, I know that feeling, dude. After a while when you get used to using a huge amount of the commands it almost becomes second nature. And congrats on the progress, dude. I want to see what you came up with when you're finished.

[trebornosliw]

Alright, a quick progress update and announcement. I just finished scripting the first really major side quest in the game, as well as the replacement for the Rock Smash HM (you can still obtain the HM, but there's really no point in using it). I like to flatter myself in that I think it's a rather original replacement. It's not a key item or anything like that. I also didn't just remove all the smashable rocks, which I know you sarcastic ones are thinking
Anyway, I also would like to thank Chrunch for becoming Hidden Ties' first (and probably last), mapper other than myself. He's good at what he does, and you'll see what I mean next beta.
...and that's about it. More as it comes up!

[KaiVii]

w00t! I'm very excited for all of this! I can't wait!

[trebornosliw]

Alright, everything's proceeding fairly smoothly. There were a couple of scripts that refused to cooperate, but they have been...dealt with...
Anyhoo, I'm including a lot of canon characters in the storyline, in completely different roles than what you'd normally see, so I've decided to post some quick bios of a few of these characters for you all to check out. I will NOT be posting these at the beginning of the thread, due to word limits.
So, the first bio:
Bruno

Spoiler:

Revered by trainers, virtually worshipped by Black Belts, Bruno's career has earned him a reputation for incredible strength. The man himself is strong, a master of several forms of martial arts, brutally strong, but graceful and coordinated. His Pokemon are similarly exceptional, exhibiting Bruno's preference for solid, physically-inclined powerhouses, capable of soaking up massive punishment and doling out far more damage than was recieved.
Bruno's origins are shrouded in mystery. He first came into the spotlight as a member of the then infamous, later revered Elite Four, during which time he faced his first defeat; a narrow loss to the legendary Pokemon Master Red. After this defeat, and the cessation of the Four's plans of human extinction and Pokemon utopia, Bruno and his fellows became the official Elite Four of the Kanto Pokemon League testing those trainers who aspired to championship. Roughly a year after this official formation, Lorelei and Agatha, two of Bruno's peers in the Elite, vacated their positions, Lorelei to spend more time at her home in the Sevii Islands, Agatha to find some way to deal with her own bitter, resentful emotions towards the rest of the world. They were replaced by the previously unknown trainer of the Psychic type, Will, and former Fuschia City Gym Leader Koga, respectively. Lance was elevated to the position of Champion of the newly merged Kanto and Johto leagues, and Dark-type specialist Karen took his place as final test of the Elite.
Bruno retained this position for two more years, finally retiring with a small fortune amassed from hundreds of victorious battles. Previously known for his unnerving intensity and lack of humor in battle, Bruno's personality had relaxed somewhat in the following years, and those who knew him during this time would be quick to describe the man as an easygoing giant, no less formidable in battle than before, but more willing to enjoy himself in all that he did. To quote Agatha, with whom Bruno maintained correspondence even after both had departed the Elite, "The idiot's more annoying than ever, now he's got some excuse for a sense of humor."
Within a few months of his official retirement, Bruno purchased a sizeable island in the Yaesu Gulf with the funds he had earned throughout his career. Here he allowed a select few "worthy" trainers to hone their skills, seemingly attempting to nurture the talents of those he considered to be especially proficient. Currently recognized as one of the most powerful trainers in the world, Bruno now spends most of his time in the Yaesu region, training alone and with a large group of his devoted followers, all of whom aspire to earn the legend's favor. He will occasionally go searching for one of Yaesu's respected Elite in hopes of a challenge. These battles inevitably end in a resounding victory for Bruno, earning him several offers from the Yaesu League of the status of an Emblem Holder or Elite himself, all of which he has refused.

Bruno will be a major NPC for the upcoming side mission. He's changed his party around a little bit, retaining all three of the Hitmonlee/chan/top trio he trained at various points in his career, and making a brand-new addition to his already devastating party as well. What is that addition? Come next Beta, you may find out (though I'll be honest and say I doubt it, for reasons you'll also discover).

[trebornosliw]

Hm. Feedback on that was disturbingly nonexistent. And for some reason my thread seems to have attracted some noobspamming...
Oh well. My uber-inspiration streak has worn off, sadly, but I'm still plugging away, working towards the next release. I've got some ideas for another fun event, and another character bio to post. I've also posted a new chapter in the storyline, so be sure to check out that thread! There's a link in my sig.

Wigglytuff

Spoiler:

From childhood, the famed Wigglytuff of Wigglytuff's Explorer Guild was a prodigy. The then-Igglybuff recieved his first taste of dungeon exploration during a misguided venture into a forest with two young delinquents, a venture that culminated in his meeting Armaldo, a high-profile outlaw with some experience in exploration. Quite oblivious to danger, Igglybuff befriended Armaldo and from him learned all the tricks of the explorer trade, repeatedly amazing Armaldo with his simple, logical thinking and astonishing power.
Eventually, Armaldo was tracked down and arrested by the authorities; he went quietly, largely for the benefit of Igglybuff, who had become something of a child figure for him. He left his Guard Orb, an exceedingly rare item that he and Igglybuff had discovered on their first joint exploration, with the budding adventurer, and Igglybuff retained this gift throughout his exploration career.
After this parting, Igglybuff began exploring solo. His innocent, offsetting nature found him many friends, and disarmed potential enemies. Some years passed, during which Igglybuff evolved first to Jigglypuff, and then, upon a successful exploration during which he discovered a Moon Stone, to Wigglytuff. Some time during this period he developed a near obsession with Perfect Apples, a superior breed of fruit much loved by Pokemon.
Wigglytuff first met Team Charm after being robbed by Team AWD, an exploration group specializing in semi-legal activities. Faint with hunger, Wigglytuff was nursed back to health in short order with the attentions of Team Charm, their gifts of Perfect Apples earning his undying friendship. Events after this point become somewhat blurred. It is known that Wigglytuff entered a nearby dungeon around the same time as teams AWD and Charm, but little is known about what actually occured within the cave, though it is rumored that some great treasure was discovered (though this is unlikely, as all three entities left the dungeon empty-handed). Shortly after this exploration, Wigglytuff joined Team Charm, and assisted them on many explorations before splitting off to conduct explorations with a new friend, Chatot.
This new duo continued Wigglytuff's plethora of explorations, and Wigglytuff became renowned as a first-class explorer. Bolstered by his reputation, Wigglytuff settled down to accomplish one of his lifelong dreams; the founding of an Explorer's Guild to train budding exploration teams.
Today, Wigglytuff's Guild is widely acclaimed among Pokemon as the starting point for some of the most effective exploration teams in the world.

[chrunch]

Originally Posted by trebornosliw

Hm. Feedback on that was disturbingly nonexistent. And for some reason my thread seems to have attracted some noobspamming...
Oh well. My uber-inspiration streak has worn off, sadly, but I'm still plugging away, working towards the next release. I've got some ideas for another fun event, and another character bio to post. I've also posted a new chapter in the storyline, so be sure to check out that thread! There's a link in my sig.

Wigglytuff

Spoiler:

From childhood, the famed Wigglytuff of Wigglytuff's Explorer Guild was a prodigy. The then-Igglybuff recieved his first taste of dungeon exploration during a misguided venture into a forest with two young delinquents, a venture that culminated in his meeting Armaldo, a high-profile outlaw with some experience in exploration. Quite oblivious to danger, Igglybuff befriended Armaldo and from him learned all the tricks of the explorer trade, repeatedly amazing Armaldo with his simple, logical thinking and astonishing power.
Eventually, Armaldo was tracked down and arrested by the authorities; he went quietly, largely for the benefit of Igglybuff, who had become something of a child figure for him. He left his Guard Orb, an exceedingly rare item that he and Igglybuff had discovered on their first joint exploration, with the budding adventurer, and Igglybuff retained this gift throughout his exploration career.
After this parting, Igglybuff began exploring solo. His innocent, offsetting nature found him many friends, and disarmed potential enemies. Some years passed, during which Igglybuff evolved first to Jigglypuff, and then, upon a successful exploration during which he discovered a Moon Stone, to Wigglytuff. Some time during this period he developed a near obsession with Perfect Apples, a superior breed of fruit much loved by Pokemon.
Wigglytuff first met Team Charm after being robbed by Team AWD, an exploration group specializing in semi-legal activities. Faint with hunger, Wigglytuff was nursed back to health in short order with the attentions of Team Charm, their gifts of Perfect Apples earning his undying friendship. Events after this point become somewhat blurred. It is known that Wigglytuff entered a nearby dungeon around the same time as teams AWD and Charm, but little is known about what actually occured within the cave, though it is rumored that some great treasure was discovered (though this is unlikely, as all three entities left the dungeon empty-handed). Shortly after this exploration, Wigglytuff joined Team Charm, and assisted them on many explorations before splitting off to conduct explorations with a new friend, Chatot.
This new duo continued Wigglytuff's plethora of explorations, and Wigglytuff became renowned as a first-class explorer. Bolstered by his reputation, Wigglytuff settled down to accomplish one of his lifelong dreams; the founding of an Explorer's Guild to train budding exploration teams.
Today, Wigglytuff's Guild is widely acclaimed among Pokemon as the starting point for some of the most effective exploration teams in the world.

Looking forward to the next beta!
I can't wait to see my maps ingame.

[trebornosliw]

0.o
I seriously underestimated the amount of scripting I'd need to do for Beta 1. I guess I hadn't really thought about it...
Oh well, everything's proceeding smoothly and at a fast pace, there's just a lot more to do than I originally thought. Still, I'm about ninety percent done with the mapping (thanks in part to Chrunch, thanks again! I blew up your map a few minutes ago, but it's okay, I fixed it again), and forty percent done with the scripting. If anyone had an idea for a side mission that they'd like to see next beta, now's the time to submit it.

[trebornosliw]

UPDATE: Posted two new maps, Theophilus Gardens and Chrunch's route, now named Battler's Route. Check them out on the first post, and be sure to comment!

[trebornosliw]

Okay, another update real quick. Beta 1 is largely finished. The mapping is 100% done, and the scripting is about 80% done (I have a massive side event to script, and then it'll be ready). That's the good news. The bad news is that I won't be able to work on it from March 6-10th, because I'm going to Washington DC and won't be bringing my computer. So hang in there, I'll be back to work as soon as I get back.
Oh, if anyone's interested in giving me a homecoming present, I really need want a team rocket grunt lying down, maybe with his hat askew, to replace the napping geezer. Anyone who can help with that, I'd really appreciate it.
Oh, and I apologize, I have once again attempted to do some of my own OWs (please don't lynch me). But it's okay. These turned out far better than the infamous Gardevoir attempt (well, mostly...how do you feel about giant man-eating Chatot sprites?).

[giradialkia]

Originally Posted by trebornosliw

Okay, another update real quick. Beta 1 is largely finished. The mapping is 100% done, and the scripting is about 80% done (I have a massive side event to script, and then it'll be ready). That's the good news. The bad news is that I won't be able to work on it from March 6-10th, because I'm going to Washington DC and won't be bringing my computer. So hang in there, I'll be back to work as soon as I get back.
Oh, if anyone's interested in giving me a homecoming present, I really need want a team rocket grunt lying down, maybe with his hat askew, to replace the napping geezer. Anyone who can help with that, I'd really appreciate it.
Oh, and I apologize, I have once again attempted to do some of my own OWs (please don't lynch me). But it's okay. These turned out far better than the infamous Gardevoir attempt (well, mostly...how do you feel about giant man-eating Chatot sprites?).

I WANT MAN EATING CHATOT.
Lol, jk. I'll give the Rocket Man (heh) a shot, you'll hear from me wh... Bleh. Words can be so tedious.
It's nice to see that the beta is nearly done, you certainly make good progress, Treb.
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Where is everybody? C'mon, guys! Post and stuff!

[trebornosliw]

Originally Posted by giradialkia

I WANT MAN EATING CHATOT.
Lol, jk. I'll give the Rocket Man (heh) a shot, you'll hear from me wh... Bleh. Words can be so tedious.
It's nice to see that the beta is nearly done, you certainly make good progress, Treb.
...
Where is everybody? C'mon, guys! Post and stuff!

Lol, I know! I think more people will become interested once I have a beta release. Thanks for giving the sprite a shot, btw, though I feel kind of bad, since you've done so much already...
Oh well, self-induced slavery is fine, I guess, if it is self-induced :D
And I just realized that just about sixty percent of the beta is optional. Well, no, actually about eighty percent, really. I don't really force the player to do much in this hack...so yeah, exploring a lot is a good idea.
Anyway, I'll be back in a few. Thanks again Gira!