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Old April 15th, 2010 (07:44 AM). Edited April 15th, 2010 by Ben..
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What is your opinion on Hitler?
Not necessarily on him, but on his views and goals?
Me and my friend had a discussion, and I want to take in other peoples views.
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Despite what a nob he was, he did do some good for Germany at one point, pulling an economically crippled and oppresed nation out of the dust.
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He blamed the Jews for Germany having crippled after the first war; he was angry because they sat around rich while the rest of the Germans were poor and malnourished.

He was just vengeful :s and wanted to rage his anger out on someone. The holocaust was sad; I personally feel the numbers were exaggerated a bit, but even so, some of the things I read about how they killed people, like tying the legs of pregnant women together so when they gave birth, both the baby and mother would die. Just terrible; it gives me nightmares, and I learnt of that three years ago!

Though, some horrible things are happening in the Middle-East, too. It's a miniature, secondary holocaust for the Palestinians pretty much. The American government is funding the Israelian army, while no one is helping the Palestinians. S'why I boycott quite a few Israe-funding products, like Coca Cola, l'Oréal, and McDonald's.

In any case, Hitler's goal was to obliterate what he felt was the problem. Although I feel his views of the problem itself were skewed, I can understand how a man who was pushed into poverty would feel with a certain group of people, not even from German descent, sat around in high-quality chairs and whatnaught, kicking at the rest of the country :s I'd be pretty angry, too! Though I wouldn't kill anyone.
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Quote originally posted by Fox♠:
Despite what a nob he was, he did do some good for Germany at one point, pulling an economically crippled and oppresed nation out of the dust.
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He blamed the Jews for Germany having crippled after the first war; he was angry because they sat around rich while the rest of the Germans were poor and malnourished.

He was just vengeful :s and wanted to rage his anger out on someone. The holocaust was sad; I personally feel the numbers were exaggerated a bit, but even so, some of the things I read about how they killed people, like tying the legs of pregnant women together so when they gave birth, both the baby and mother would die. Just terrible; it gives me nightmares, and I learnt of that three years ago!

Though, some horrible things are happening in the Middle-East, too. It's a miniature, secondary holocaust for the Palestinians pretty much. The American government is funding the Israelian army, while no one is helping the Palestinians. S'why I boycott quite a few Israe-funding products, like Coca Cola, l'Oréal, and McDonald's.

In any case, Hitler's goal was to obliterate what he felt was the problem. Although I feel his views of the problem itself were skewed, I can understand how a man who was pushed into poverty would feel with a certain group of people, not even from German descent, sat around in high-quality chairs and whatnaught, kicking at the rest of the country :s I'd be pretty angry, too! Though I wouldn't kill anyone.
Thank god.
Some one realise that he wasn't all bad.
In my mind he was a genius.(If you want me to explain I will.)

Well, as how much I agree will you though all of that.
His real goal, was a super-race.
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Quote originally posted by Fox♠:
Despite what a nob he was, he did do some good for Germany at one point, pulling an economically crippled and oppresed nation out of the dust.
This.
Hitler was a great dictator and one of the best.
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Quote originally posted by Fox♠:
Despite what a nob he was, he did do some good for Germany at one point, pulling an economically crippled and oppresed nation out of the dust.
This.

I would've been as angry as Hitler if I were in his position.
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Quote originally posted by Gaga For Gaga:
This.
Hitler was a great dictator and one of the best.
This^
Great, I thought everyone would be classic idiots.
Like hitlor is badd he kiled peepz.
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He should have gone to art school.
I blame the admissions team that didn't let him in.
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Hitler was a guy who had an opinion, or a dream, and set out to complete despite what would happen. That guy may have done some horrible stuff, but he got the job done and almost completed his dream. Some people say he's horrible, but I think he just went to far with his goal. He just got carried away, the holocaust is an example of how carried away he got.

But in a sense I agree with him, Jewish people were all fine and dandy while Germany whom was crippled in the first WW was suffering, and he got pissed. He was really looking after his country you know.
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He was smart indeed. He convinced an entire country while he was in jail that Germany would rise again and destroy o0 I mean, how many people would really listen to a jailed man unless he was a mastermind of manipulation?

Though, I don't agree with what he did, you'd be in bad faith not to say he wasn't intelligent and sly.
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Why did you make this thread Ben.?
Is this some kind of 'let's glorify Hitler' thread? Of course you know the general response, 'he was a bad person etc.', but do you want some people to actually like/pity Hitler?

D. W. Griffith created one of the most revolutionary films of his time due to the camera angles, but he also restarted the KKK and lynching.

Hitler was a terrible person who just happened to be a political genius. His genius shouldn't make you a fan of him though...there are many other political geniuses such as Churchill who used his political wit to do good for the world, not kill millions.
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He believed that Jews took his place in his beloved Academy of Fine Arts Vienna and some people think this is where his anti-semitism started.
Although, there already was a degree of anti-semitism anyway in Vienna.
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Quote originally posted by Chibi-chan:
He should have gone to art school.
I blame the admissions team that didn't let him in.
Epic.
Quote originally posted by Yusshin:
He was smart indeed. He convinced an entire country while he was in jail that Germany would rise again and destroy o0 I mean, how many people would really listen to a jailed man unless he was a mastermind of manipulation?

Though, I don't agree with what he did, you'd be in bad faith not to say he wasn't intelligent and sly.
He was one of the smartest human beings who has ever walked the planet.
His over all goal, was a brilliant dream, he just went about it the wrong way.
I admire him in ways.
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Yeah he did a pretty awesome job in rebuilding Germany's economy, shame he had to murder people, enforce discrimination, lie, bribe, form a violent paramilitary organisation and turn Germany into a country fueled by hatred and intolerance to achieve that.
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Quote originally posted by Ben.:

He was one of the smartest human beings who has ever walked the planet.
His over all goal, was a brilliant dream, he just went about it the wrong way.
I admire him in ways.
A brilliant dream of genocide?
You're an elitiest freak. Killing millions and wanting to make way for a master race is the stupidest idea in the world. How the hell do you admire him for knowing how to direct fear and anger at a scapegoat?
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Jewish people were only fine and dandy because they didn't stupidly splurge their money out in the boom during the 30s where America leant Germany a load of cash. It's my honest belief that Hitler didn't actually hate jews, rather he needed a scapegoat to unite the people against, he'd already used communists when he failed to get power in 1924, and with the downturn and the case of the majority of Jewish not being as poor as other Germans, they were the obvious choice.

And the holocaust, let's not forget that Hitler didn't actually have that much to do with it other than allowing it. It was masterminded by Heinrich Himmler. Or that it wasn't just the Jewish. Black Germans, disabled Germans, Russian POWs, Polish citizens and European communists all ended up in camps and suffered the same fates too.
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Well Chibi-chan, there are some people who like Osama Bin Laden. So why not Hitler?
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Quote originally posted by Chibi-chan:
Why did you make this thread Ben.?
Is this some kind of 'let's glorify Hitler' thread? Of course you know the general response, 'he was a bad person etc.', but do you want some people to actually like/pity Hitler?

D. W. Griffith created one of the most revolutionary films of his time due to the camera angles, but he also restarted the KKK and lynching.

Hitler was a terrible person who just happened to be a political genius. His genius shouldn't make you a fan of him though...there are many other political geniuses such as Churchill who used his political wit to do good for the world, not kill millions.
I wanted to see peoples views.
I'm not a fan of him, I'm a fan of his goals.
Do you know his over all goal, a super race, that's the only thing I like about him.
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I'm not a fan of this "super race" thing.

He wanted to breed humans like horses; the interesting thing, though, is he didn't seem to have anything against arabs, with their tanned skin and brown/black hair. From a man desiring a super race of blondes with blue eyes, he didn't have anything against them - only against Jews. I believe he didn't like blacks either; I can't remember.

Weird, huh?
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There's no such thing as a "super race" it's just the delusion that certain characteristics make some humans better than others.
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Quote originally posted by Fox♠:
Jewish people were only fine and dandy because they didn't stupidly splurge their money out in the boom during the 30s where America leant Germany a load of cash. It's my honest belief that Hitler didn't actually hate jews, rather he needed a scapegoat to unite the people against, he'd already used communists when he failed to get power in 1924, and with the downturn and the case of the majority of Jewish not being as poor as other Germans, they were the obvious choice.

And the holocaust, let's not forget that Hitler didn't actually have that much to do with it other than allowing it. It was masterminded by Heinrich Himmler.
It's hard to say if he did or not. He wasn't exactly the 'master race' himself; his mother was Jewish. Heinrich Himmler was the mastermind behind it, but it wasn't like Hitler could have cared less if the holocaust happened or not. It was part of his plan and many more genocides could have happened if he wasn't stopped. Let's look at Belgium!
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Like what Fox said, he probably needed a scapegoat to get the Germans going.
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Quote originally posted by Ben.:

I wanted to see peoples views.
I'm not a fan of him, I'm a fan of his goals.
Do you know his over all goal, a super race, that's the only thing I like about him.
I'm going to make an assumption you're blonde haired blue eyed and hate minorites. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Well Chibi-chan, there are some people who like Osama Bin Laden. So why not Hitler?
Are you implying that Osama Bin Laden's Shiite jihad isn't a warp on Mohammad's original idea of jihad? This is a topic that's too complicated to get into in this particular thread.
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Quote originally posted by Chibi-chan:
It's hard to say if he did or not. He wasn't exactly the 'master race' himself; his mother was Jewish. Heinrich Himmler was the mastermind behind it, but it wasn't like Hitler could have cared less if the holocaust happened or not. It was part of his plan and many more genocides could have happened if he wasn't stopped. Let's look at Belgium!
It is noteworthy that neither Hitler nor Himmler fitted their master race template at all. Hitler wasn't even German. Like you said, it is hard to say what he really thought.

I'd also like to highlight to other members, I didn't say I understood why Hitler done it, all i said is he did fix the German economy and pulled it out of ruin. That's not to say he didn't just drive it into further ruin later down the line.
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Quote originally posted by Vendak:
There's no such thing as a "super race" it's just the delusion that certain characteristics make some humans better than others.
But, I like the idea, there would be alot of up's and downs, and I think the up's overhaul the downs
Quote originally posted by Yusshin:
I'm not a fan of this "super race" thing.

He wanted to breed humans like horses; the interesting thing, though, is he didn't seem to have anything against arabs, with their tanned skin and brown/black hair. From a man desiring a super race of blondes with blue eyes, he didn't have anything against them - only against Jews. I believe he didn't like blacks either; I can't remember.

Weird, huh?
Yes, that was strange...
Quote originally posted by Chibi-chan:
It's hard to say if he did or not. He wasn't exactly the 'master race' himself; his mother was Jewish. Heinrich Himmler was the mastermind behind it, but it wasn't like Hitler could have cared less if the holocaust happened or not. It was part of his plan and many more genocides could have happened if he wasn't stopped. Let's look at Belgium!
But I didn't agree the with 'his master-race' But I agreed with the idea of a master race, think about it.
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