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Old August 11th, 2010 (6:07 PM).
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Dude your attitude totally rocks! No nostalgia! YEA! Youre like creating something that nintendo wished they had made themselves, but, too bad for them! Really love the sprites. Right from the beginning it feels like theres a lot to explore. Cant wait to beat the Elite Four, or is it not four anymore? Im just saying..... GOOD JOB SON!
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Old August 11th, 2010 (8:07 PM). Edited August 11th, 2010 by Chaos Rush.
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Cant wait to beat the Elite Four, or is it not four anymore? Im just saying..... GOOD JOB SON!
The Elite Four will be the same. Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance, and then Blue.

Oh, so people can have a clearer idea of how much longer the beta will be than the alpha, here's a map of every area you can access in Beta 1:
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Credit to Bulbapedia for the original Kanto map.

Remember, all the alpha had was Pallet Town and Route 1.
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In Beta 1 will we get two badges? Seeing that Routes 24&25 are in Beta 1 the Nugget Bridge the Sea Cottage events are in Beta 1. The beta probably ends with someone blocking the Underground Path in Route 5. I like the tile set you made as it does resemble HG/SS. Is the Cerulean Gym gonna have a Sailor in it since there were two in Cerulean Gym in HG/SS?
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In Beta 1 will we get two badges? Seeing that Routes 24&25 are in Beta 1 the Nugget Bridge the Sea Cottage events are in Beta 1. The beta probably ends with someone blocking the Underground Path in Route 5.
I think you answered your own question
Explain: The game ends at route 5 so we cant go to Vermilion yet so we can only have 2 badges Boulder and Cascade
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That and the SS Anne ticket. Are you going to use a Clefairy sprite for Bill?
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Old August 12th, 2010 (4:41 PM). Edited August 12th, 2010 by Chaos Rush.
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In Beta 1 will we get two badges? Seeing that Routes 24&25 are in Beta 1 the Nugget Bridge the Sea Cottage events are in Beta 1. The beta probably ends with someone blocking the Underground Path in Route 5. I like the tile set you made as it does resemble HG/SS. Is the Cerulean Gym gonna have a Sailor in it since there were two in Cerulean Gym in HG/SS?
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I think you answered your own question
Explain: The game ends at route 5 so we cant go to Vermilion yet so we can only have 2 badges Boulder and Cascade
You will be able to obtain 2 badges. Bill will also give you the S.S. Anne ticket, but for now it's going to be completely useless. Also the Rocket event in Cerulean City is there, but it is a little different, since the layout of Cerulean City in DarkViolet/HG/SS is significantly different than the layout in R/G/B/Y/FR/LG. You will be able to access Route 5 before you beat Misty, unlike FR/LG.

Also, in future releases, you will also be able to access Route 5 before you beat Misty, but you are not allowed to enter the Underground Path until you beat Misty.


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That and the SS Anne ticket. Are you going to use a Clefairy sprite for Bill?
Think logically. If Bill says that he got combined with a Pokemon, of course I'm going to make him look like a Clefairy. Otherwise, then the whole event would make no sense.
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Think logically. If Bill says that he got combined with a Pokemon, of course I'm going to make him look like a Clefairy. Otherwise, then the whole event would make no sense.
Uh, yeah... I was talking about a specific Clefairy or just a generic sprite.
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I like the progress so far, but the female character is Leaf/Blue.

The Rival is Green.
The heroine is not Green.

The reason I've said this is because I follow the Chinese Pokemon Manga names,
and I directly translate them.

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The Elite Four will be the same. Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance, and then Blue.
Please be reminded that the Rival's name is Green, according to Japanese Pokemon Manga.
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I like the progress so far, but the female character is Leaf/Blue.

The Rival is Green.
The heroine is not Green.

The reason I've said this is because I follow the Chinese Pokemon Manga names,
and I directly translate them.



Please be reminded that the Rival's name is Green, according to Japanese Pokemon Manga.
Nope.
1. Manga and games are not canon, meaning despite character similarities (or identicalities, which is now a word), they aren't the same.
2. In the English HGSS, the leader of Viridian Gym is called Blue. Earlier on, Chaos Rush stated that this is what he was going by, therefore it makes sense to call the heroine Green, and not Blue. (and not Leaf, either, since Red, Blue and Leaf don't exactly go together).
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Nope.
1. Manga and games are not canon, meaning despite character similarities (or identicalities, which is now a word), they aren't the same.
2. In the English HGSS, the leader of Viridian Gym is called Blue. Earlier on, Chaos Rush stated that this is what he was going by, therefore it makes sense to call the heroine Green, and not Blue. (and not Leaf, either, since Red, Blue and Leaf don't exactly go together).
Yeah, I know that, but I thought that Manga names are cooler...
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Yeah, I know that, but I thought that Manga names are cooler...
So did I and I suggested that from the start. However, Chaos Rush chose to go with the HGSS names, and I respect him for that.

Besides, Manga names and the games are technically canon for the first two generations in Japan. The US got the bad end of the deal, no Green!

Oh, and you said the manga is Chinese. It was never translated to Chinese, as far as I know, or at least, not officially.
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Aren't the manga names the same as the HG/SS names? Except if you're talking about the whole Blue/Green thing depending on which language.
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Aren't the manga names the same as the HG/SS names? Except if you're talking about the whole Blue/Green thing depending on which language.
That depends. The version I'm reading (on One Manga) has the Japanese names. So, it kind of depends as the version I'm reading is different than the one book I have (first three chapters).
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That depends. The version I'm reading (on One Manga) has the Japanese names. So, it kind of depends as the version I'm reading is different than the one book I have (first three chapters).
This is true, the manga has quite a few translations and versions, it gets confusing.

But does it really matter? I mean HGSS called him Blue, despite the prequels being FireRed and LeafGreen, so... Okay, honestly I'm beginning to confuse myself here. I'll be back for the next update... :D
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But does it really matter? I mean HGSS called him Blue, despite the prequels being FireRed and LeafGreen, so... Okay, honestly I'm beginning to confuse myself here. I'll be back for the next update... :D
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Even though the Battle Frontier was invented 3 years later, in Johto. Emerald takes place 2 years after HGSS.
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Even though the Battle Frontier was invented 3 years later, in Johto. Emerald takes place 2 years after HGSS.
Wrong. All Gen III games take place at (around) the same time, and all Gen IV games take place at (around) the same time.

How the hell do you even come to the conclusion that Emerald takes place after HG/SS O_o...

Notice how there's no time machine in FR/LG to trade with R/S/E, and there's no time machine in HG/SS to trade with D/P/Pt.
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Firered is basically the same as Red. HGSS is a direct remake of Gold/Silver, which takes place after Red. By the manga (and US release dates), it's 3 years. Emerald is an improved version of Ruby, which, by previous logic, takes place 2 years after Gold.

But what about Celio? International trading was created in Firered, when a Ruby and Sapphire were used to connect National PokéDexes. That's how you can trade with FR off the bat. I may have missed something, though.

Edit- Longest post I ever made with a Wii Remote.

Okay, Red is still alive during the events of Ruby- that's how he trades.
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Firered is basically the same as Red. HGSS is a direct remake of Gold/Silver, which takes place after Red. By the manga (and US release dates), it's 3 years. Emerald is an improved version of Ruby, which, by previous logic, takes place 2 years after Gold.

But what about Celio? International trading was created in Firered, when a Ruby and Sapphire were used to connect National PokéDexes. That's how you can trade with FR off the bat. I may have missed something, though.

Edit- Longest post I ever made with a Wii Remote.

Okay, Red is still alive during the events of Ruby- that's how he trades.
Release dates and the manga have absolutely nothing to do with when the official games take place :/.

Go ahead and think whatever you want, but since this is my hack, and I'm the only guy making the Pokémon Saga hack series, I can do whatever I want, and I'm going to say this right here:

Pokémon Saga - DarkViolet and Pokémon Saga - Jade takes place at the same time.

Pokémon Saga - HeartGold and Pokémon Saga - Platinum takes place 3 years after DarkViolet and Jade.
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Firered is basically the same as Red. HGSS is a direct remake of Gold/Silver, which takes place after Red. By the manga (and US release dates), it's 3 years. Emerald is an improved version of Ruby, which, by previous logic, takes place 2 years after Gold.
Lemme get this straight.
The events of R/S/E and FR/LG are of the same timeline.

While the events of HG/SS and D/P/P are of the same timeline.
And the events of HG/SS occur after 3 years of FR/LG timeline.

You can't say that the events of Emerald happens AFTER HG/SS, that would impossible. While it IS true that Emerald is indeed an IMPROVED version
of R/S, they are still of the same timeline.

Now, you may ask, "Where did you get this information?"

Well, I forgot, but I remembered that from a person in Serebii...

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Oh, and you said the manga is Chinese. It was never translated to Chinese, as far as I know, or at least, not officially.
It DID translated to Chinese. (I have a whole collection of them.)
All Pokemon stuff are translated to Chinese, except for video games.
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It DID translated to Chinese. (I have a whole collection of them.)
All Pokemon stuff are translated to Chinese, except for video games.
"or at least, not officially''. I'd read the whole post.

You know what? Chaos Rush is right, though, it's his hack. His decision to ruin it some way. (4 games already?)
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"or at least, not officially''. I'd read the whole post.

You know what? Chaos Rush is right, though, it's his hack. His decision to ruin it some way. (4 games already?)
It IS an official release, and it's released in Hong Kong.

As for Chaos Rush's decision, he's actually following the official
timeline from Nintendo. That's good.
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Here's my evidence:


FR/LG takes place at the same time as R/S/E because:

*You don't need a time machine in either set of games to trade with each other
*An NPC on One Island states that her boyfriend lives in Hoenn
*An NPC on Seven Island states that Bruno once trained with Brawly
*You can buy Lava Cookies on Two Island. The item description mentions Lavaridge Town
*An NPC in Lilycove City mentions he came from the Kanto region
*You can go to Navel Rock and Birth Island in FR/LG AND Emerald.
*On Faraway Island, the faded signpost's message ends with, "...ji" in the Japanese version. Mr. Fuji's japanese name is also Fuji, meaning that since Mew = Kanto, and Mr. Fuji = Kanto, there's another Kanto reference right there.


HG/SS takes place at the same time as D/P/Pt because:

*You don't need a time machine in either set of games to trade with each other
*In the beginning of Diamond/Pearl, there's a TV report on the red Gyarados that appears HG/SS.
*In Platinum, there's an NPC at the Fight Area that says he filmed the documentary, "The Search for the Red Gyarados!"
*In Platinum, the first time you try to enter Lake Valor, there's two NPCs blocking your path. One of them says he filmed the red Gyarados at the Lake of Rage. Yes, he specifically mentions the Lake of Rage.
*In HG/SS, in Bill's house in Goldenrod City, one of the NPCs says that Eevee can evolve into one of seven different kinds of Pokemon (he said five in G/S/C). What would be those seven? Vaporeon, Flareon, Jolteon, Espeon, Umbreon, Leafeon, and Glaceon.
*Maylene and Crasher Wake actually appear in HG/SS.
*Jasmine appears in D/P/Pt.
*There are plenty of Johto references in Platinum
*There are plenty of Sinnoh references in HG/SS


HG/SS & D/P/Pt takes place 3 years after FR/LG & R/S/E because:

*In Azalea Town, when you rescue Kurt from the Slowpoke Well, he explains to you that Team Rocket was broken up 3 years ago by a boy named Red. Red could be anyone, but there's an NPC in the game you could battle named Red, and he clearly looks like the male protagonist of FR/LG.
*There's a whole bunch of NPCs scattered throughout Johto and Kanto saying something along the lines of, "Team Rocket was broken up 3 years ago"
*In FR/LG, if you go to Team Rocket's Warehouse on Five Island and read one of the computers, it talks about frequencies forcing Pokemon to evolve. This is a reference to the red Gyarados plot that is supposed to happen 3 years later, which the event directly takes place in HG/SS, and is talked about in D/P/Pt.
*In G/S/C, you specifically needed a time machine to trade with R/G/B/Y.


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You know what? Chaos Rush is right, though, it's his hack. His decision to ruin it some way. (4 games already?)
What do you mean, "4 games already"? Pokemon Saga has always been planned to be 4 games, since October 2009 actually. And (lol), wtf am I ruining? Your imagination?
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Wow... that's a very detailed report you've got there.
That's just about enough to crush Heart Soul's pathectic imagination.

Although I already knew this piece of information from a friend in Serebii
and he said that, "R/S/E and FR/LG take place in the same timeline, meanwhile,
HG/SS and D/P/P take place in the same timeline."

Due to D/P/P has Johto references, I think that's one of the reasons
that Game Freak decided to create HG/SS, hopefully to earn more money
and to also create a fact that HG/SS and D/P/P takes place in the same timeline.
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