[Gen V] Strategies and suggestions

[k-van]

Can somebody come up with a good strategy and team of 6 that I should use out of the pokes on my trade thread? Here they are for ease of access:

Flawless:

Spoiler:

*Swampert @ leftovers
Relaxed
Earthquake (EQ), Ice beam (IB), Stealth Rock (SR), Roar
252 hp, 252 def, 6 att
Flawless

Togekiss lvl 100 M Shiny [OT Roger]
- Modest
- Serene Grace
- Nasty Plot / Wish / Air Slash / Flamethrower
- EVs: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Sp / 4 P
- IVs: Flawless

*Haxorus @ Scope Lens
Jolly
Outrage, Rock Slide, EQ, Dragon Dance (DD)
6 hp, 252 att, 252 speed
Flawless

*Zangoose @ Chesto Berry
Jolly
Close Combat, Shadow Claw, Swords Dance (SD), Rest
252 att, 252 speed, 6 def
Flawless

Forretress @ leftovers
Relaxed
Spikes, Toxic Spikes, SR, Rapid Spin
252 hp, 252 sp. def, 4 def
Flawless

*Aipom
Jolly
Fake Out, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Shadow Claw
4 att, 1 speed
Flawless

Cyndaquil (nn. Baron)
Adamant
Tacke, Leer, Smoke Screen
Flawless

*Tyranitar @ chesto berry
Jolly
Stone Edge, EQ, Rest, DD
252 att, 4 hp, 254 speed
Flawless

Hydreigon
nature: modest / levitate
Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, Flamethrower, Surf
252 spa atk/ 252 speed/ 4 sp def
31-31-31-31-31-31

darumaka / lvl 100
jolly
31/31/31/31/31/31
6 HP/ 252 attack/ 252 speed
U-Turn / rock slide / flare blitz / superpower

Near Flawless:

Spoiler:

*Flygon @ life orb
Jolly
EQ, Dragon Claw, Roost, U-turn
31/31/31/15/31/31
6 hp, 252 att, 252 speed

*Charizard @ Leftovers
Adamant
Fire Punch, Substitute, Belly Drum, Roost
30/31/31/31/31/31
252 att, 252 speed, 4 def

*Roserade @ Big Root
Timid
Giga Drain, Toxic Spkies, Sleep Powder, Sludge Bomb
31/31/31/30/30/31
4 hp, 1 def, 252 sp.att, 253 speed

Heatran @ Wise Glasses
Naive
Magma Storm, Flash Cannon, Dark Pulse, Earth Power
22/10/30/31/31/31
6 hp, 252 sp.att, 252 speed

*Metagross @ leftovers
Adamant
Meteor Mash, EQ, Bullet Punch, Toxic
31/31/31/30/31/31
255 hp, 248 att, 7 sp.def

*Porygon-Z @ Wise Glasses
Modest
Dark Pulse, Thunderbolt, Icebeam, Psychic
31/28/24/26/31/31
255 sp.att, 255 speed

Scizor @ Life orb
Adamant
Bullet Punch, Roost, Night Slash, Swords Dance
28/29/31/29/25/31
255 att, 255 speed

Volcarona / lvl 100
timid
31/30/30/31/31/31
6 HP/252 sp attack/ 252 speed
bug buzz / quiver dance / fiery dance / HP (ice)

*Gallade / lv 100
Adamant
28/31/29/15/28/31
6 HP/252 attack/ 252 speed
Leaf Blade/Psycho cut/EQ/Cose Combat

EV'd:

Spoiler:

*Slaking
Adamant
Fire Punch, Shadow claw, EQ, Slack off
252 att, 252 speed, 6 hp

Dusknoir (nn. Nightmarez) @ expert belt
Impish
Shadow Sneak, EQ, Pain Split, Will-o-wisp
106 hp, 68 att, 252 def, 28 sp.att, 18 sp.def, 38 speed

Breloom @ toxic orb
Jolly
Facade, Attract, Substitute, Stun Spore
255 att, 255 speed

Shaymin @ wide lens
Modest
Seed Flare, Sunny Day, Earth Power, Synthesis
255 sp.att, 255 speed

Whimsicott OT: mikhail PC: mikhaild
Quirky
Leech Seed/Toxic/Substitute/Encore
255 def/247 sp.def/8hp

DW pokes:

Spoiler:

Blaziken lvl 100 M pkRS OT: Mat
- Jolly
- Speed Boost
- Hi Jump Kick / Protect / Swords Dance / Flare Blitz
- EVs: 252 Att / 252 Spd / 4 HP
- IVs: Flawless

Sharpedo lv 100 OT: Erica
-Adamant
-Speed Boost
-Protect/Waterfall/Crunch/EQ
-EVs: 4hp/252 att/1def/1sp.def/252 speed
-IVs: Flawless

Politoed lv 100 OT: Mark
- Calm
- Drizzle
- Surf/Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hypnosis
- EVs: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Sp.def / 4 HP
- IVs: Flawless

Vapoeon lv 100 OT: Eric
-Modest
-Hydration
-Toxic/Surf/Rest/Ice Beam
- EVs: 32hp / 224def / 252 sp.att
-IVs: Flawless

Legendaries:

Spoiler:

Kyurem / lv 77
Lonely
Flawless (this may have been with AR so be warned)
252 hp/ 255 sp (also might be with AR)
Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse/Dragon Claw/Endeavor

Rotom Fan lv 20 UT
Jolly
14/15/25/27/6/19
Air Slash/Confuse Ray/Double Team/Thunder Shock

Zoroark (dunno if he is legendary but...) UT
Docile
6/16/30/30/18/22
Fury Swipes/Faint Attack/Scary Face/Taunt

Kyogre
Calm
8/27/5/14/5/15
Hydro Pump/Sheer Cold/Water Spout
EVs: 6/8/7/9/7/12 (can bereduced to 0)

Events:

Spoiler:

Gamestop Raikou

Gamestop Entei

Gamestop Suicune

Gamestop Celebi

Ash's Pikachu

Gamestop Deoxys

GAMESTP Pichu

Hayley Mew

FAL2010 Mew

This is for wifi battles and tourneys. I don't have a specific strategy or team that I use and I lose more often then I win. So can anyone come up with a good strategy to use with 6 of these pokes?

[Vrai]

You'll have to pick a specific team if you want to get it rated! I'm sorry, but we're not exactly here to build a team for you. Try to pick the most successful variation out on your own, and then post that and we can help then. But anything beyond that is asking too much. You'll have to do some of your own work if you want to make an effective team. :<

Do come back when you have a full team though!

[k-van]

Ok so I narrowed it down so I have 2 walls, 2 physical sweepers, and 2 special sweepers but I cant decide who to use exactly.

1. Swampert/Forretress/Ferrothorn* (SR/Spikes/ entry hazard poke as well as wall #1)

2. Blaziken/Shapedo (both have speed boost and are physical sweeper #1)

3. Dusknoir* (wall #2 and can stall/burn opponent)

4. Porygon-Z*/Togekiss/Hydreigon (scarfed 'gon makes for some annoyed opponents and special sweeper #1)

5. Volcarona/Heatran/Roserade/Politoed (special sweeper #2 and if I use politoed, then I would take sharpedo for boosted water move)

6. Metagross/Scizor/Gallade* (physical sweeper #2)

Note: * means that I would normally pick these pokes.

So these are (almost) for sure pokes:

Ferrothorn (because he is brutal)
Blaziken/Sharpedo
Dusknoir
Porygon-Z
Volcarona/Heatran/Roserade/Politoed
Gallade

Any suggestions for this team?

[Vrai]

You're still going to have to break it down all the way to 6 Pokemon (not eight or nine or ten or eleven etc) and preferably test it a bit yourself, noting some things that you lost to and things you can't figure out how to beat. Plus, I'm too lazy to go back up and scour through that stuff you spoiler'd earlier just to try to figure out what sets your Pokemon are running. :(

Speed Boost Blaziken is on our ban list and is thus unusable if you're going to be battling 'round here competitively. It's actually on most ban lists, so unless you're going to play Ubers... ;o;

[k-van]

Ferrothorn
Sharpedo
Dusknoir
Porygon-Z
Politoed
Gallade

*Porygon-Z @ Wise Glasses
Modest
Dark Pulse, Thunderbolt, Icebeam, Psychic
31/28/24/26/31/31
255 sp.att, 255 speed

*Gallade / lv 100
Adamant
28/31/29/15/28/31
6 HP/252 attack/ 252 speed
Leaf Blade/Psycho cut/EQ/Cose Combat

Dusknoir (nn. Nightmarez) @ expert belt
Impish
Shadow Sneak, EQ, Pain Split, Will-o-wisp
106 hp, 68 att, 252 def, 28 sp.att, 18 sp.def, 38 speed

Sharpedo lv 100 OT: Erica
-Adamant
-Speed Boost
-Protect/Waterfall/Crunch/EQ
-EVs: 4hp/252 att/1def/1sp.def/252 speed
-IVs: Flawless

Politoed lv 100 OT: Mark
- Calm
- Drizzle
- Surf/Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hypnosis
- EVs: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Sp.def / 4 HP
- IVs: Flawless

[PlatinumDude]

Another word of advice: movesets, EVs, natures and items would be helpful so that we can rate the team more easily.

[k-van]

Can you not read? That is all in the last post.

[Vrai]

Originally Posted by k-van

Can you not read? That is all in the last post.

There was no reason to be rude at all because he's absolutely correct. You don't have all of that information in that post. You have items listed for two of the Pokémon (P-Z & Dusknoir), you're missing the ability for P-Z/Gallade/Dusknoir (tho i think he only has pressure) and you're missing Ferrothorn entirely.

P-Z's EV spread is not optimal; the max amount of points for a stat you can get is 252 so putting 255 in each actually wastes one stat point you can put in HP or something. It also really sucks without STAB, especially if you have Adaptability. Plus it's too slow to actually be able to make use of Expert Belt. Run Choice Specs + Tri Attack/Hidden Power (Ground/Fighting)/Dark Pulse/Ice Beam.

The only reason to use Gallade this gen is its Bulk Up set; run 252hp/252spD Adamant @ Bulk Up/Drain Punch/(Ice Punch/Stone Edge)/Shadow Sneak. Leaf Blade sucks and EQ gives godawful coverage with CC. Don't use an outclassed version of like every other Fighting-type if you're not going to abuse its good qualities, aka solid SpD and Shadow Sneak.

Dusknoir likewise sucks this gen but if you're determined to run it you should actually use a viable spread, aka 252hp/28atk/228def @ lefties. Moveset looks alright tho, might wanna use Fire Punch > Shadow Sneak for crap like Ferrothorn and Scizor and the fact that Noir's Shadow Sneak is weak as hell but eh, whatever.

Sharpedo would rather make use of its decent mixed attacking stats and the fact that it doesn't have to invest in much speed because of Speed Boost. Run Crunch/Hydro Pump/(Hidden Power (Fire)/Ice Beam)/Protect @ Mild Nature, 148atk/252spA/108spe. After two Speed Boosts, 'Pedo outruns +Speed Deoxys-S and Jolly ScarfChomp.

I'm assuming Politoed is the standard Specs set since that is the moveset but you should run those EVs in Speed, not SpD. At worst, run them in HP to maximize overall bulk.

[k-van]

Originally Posted by Vrai

There was no reason to be rude at all because he's absolutely correct. You don't have all of that information in that post. You have items listed for two of the Pokémon (P-Z & Dusknoir), you're missing the ability for P-Z/Gallade/Dusknoir (tho i think he only has pressure) and you're missing Ferrothorn entirely.

Originally Posted by Vrai

P-Z's EV spread is not optimal; the max amount of points for a stat you can get is 252 so putting 255 in each actually wastes one stat point you can put in HP or something. It also really sucks without STAB, especially if you have Adaptability. Plus it's too slow to actually be able to make use of Expert Belt. Run Choice Specs + Tri Attack/Hidden Power (Ground/Fighting)/Dark Pulse/Ice Beam.

Yes I know it is not optimal. This is how I got them and I am too lazy to change them. I am quite familiar with the 252/252/4(6). And I actually did change his item to choice scarf to make up for his speed. It never was expert belt btw I will have to change a couple moves for him...

Originally Posted by Vrai

The only reason to use Gallade this gen is its Bulk Up set; run 252hp/252spD Adamant @ Bulk Up/Drain Punch/(Ice Punch/Stone Edge)/Shadow Sneak. Leaf Blade sucks and EQ gives godawful coverage with CC. Don't use an outclassed version of like every other Fighting-type if you're not going to abuse its good qualities, aka solid SpD and Shadow Sneak.

I was thinking of changing him for conkeldurr or Mienshao if it has regenerator ability. I will have to look into the bulk up set...

Originally Posted by Vrai

Dusknoir likewise sucks this gen but if you're determined to run it you should actually use a viable spread, aka 252hp/28atk/228def @ lefties. Moveset looks alright tho, might wanna use Fire Punch > Shadow Sneak for crap like Ferrothorn and Scizor and the fact that Noir's Shadow Sneak is weak as hell but eh, whatever.

Who do you suppose would be a better wall? He has huge def and sp.def and his shadow sneak makes up for his speed. He is just a wall after all lol. I actually just forgot to change out to lefties. That is what they were in the first place

Originally Posted by Vrai

Sharpedo would rather make use of its decent mixed attacking stats and the fact that it doesn't have to invest in much speed because of Speed Boost. Run Crunch/Hydro Pump/(Hidden Power (Fire)/Ice Beam)/Protect @ Mild Nature, 148atk/252spA/108spe. After two Speed Boosts, 'Pedo outruns +Speed Deoxys-S and Jolly ScarfChomp.

What is the mild nature? I forget the +- of it... Like I said, I am too lazy to completely change things about these guys since they are all lv 100 and I don't really breed and I don't do DW either. (mostly because I don't know how ) What IV do I need for HP Fire?

Originally Posted by Vrai

I'm assuming Politoed is the standard Specs set since that is the moveset but you should run those EVs in Speed, not SpD. At worst, run them in HP to maximize overall bulk.

Meh I also got him from trading so I will go with it. But I will think about changing sp.def for speed and maybe hp.

Ferrothorn @ Lefties
Impish
Power whip/spikes/Leech seed/Stealth Rock
Flawless
252 hp/252 def/4sp.def

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by k-van

Yes I know it is not optimal. This is how I got them and I am too lazy to change them. I am quite familiar with the 252/252/4(6). And I actually did change his item to choice scarf to make up for his speed. It never was expert belt btw I will have to change a couple moves for him...

I was thinking of changing him for conkeldurr or Mienshao if it has regenerator ability. I will have to look into the bulk up set...

Who do you suppose would be a better wall? He has huge def and sp.def and his shadow sneak makes up for his speed. He is just a wall after all lol. I actually just forgot to change out to lefties. That is what they were in the first place

What is the mild nature? I forget the +- of it... Like I said, I am too lazy to completely change things about these guys since they are all lv 100 and I don't really breed and I don't do DW either. (mostly because I don't know how ) What IV do I need for HP Fire?

Meh I also got him from trading so I will go with it. But I will think about changing sp.def for speed and maybe hp.

Ferrothorn @ Lefties
Impish
Power whip/spikes/Leech seed/Stealth Rock
Flawless
252 hp/252 def/4sp.def

If you want bulk and power, use Conkeldurr:
-Bulk Up
-Drain Punch
-Mach Punch
-Stone Edge/Payback
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 120 HP/252 Atk/136 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Guts

If you want Speed, at the cost of a slight bit of power, use Mienshao:
-Fake Out
-Hi Jump Kick
-U-turn
-Hidden Power (Ice)/Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly/Naive
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe or 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Regenerator

Even though Gliscor doesn't have Dusknoir's huge Special Defense, it can be considered for a wall:
-Earthquake
-Toxic
-Facade/Ice Fang
-Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

Mild boosts Special Attack and lowers Defense.

For this Ferrothorn set, Spikes, Leech Seed and Stealth Rock are all illegal together; you can only have 2 of the 3. In the last slot, put in Gyro Ball for STAB, and change up the nature and EVs to this: Relaxed/Sassy with 252 HP/48 Def/208 SDef.