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Old July 16th, 2011, 07:22 PM
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Currently no luck on my Cobalion hunt so i decided to take a break from that and practice chaining in Platinum (horrible at it lol)

And Landorus i believe you are correct and don't Ruby and Sapphire convert to the same RNG status as Emerald after their internal battery dies?
Yes it does. Also a small note, you can still RE for shinies with a broken RNG, I don't believe it affects it..if it does it's not that bad.
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Old July 16th, 2011, 07:45 PM
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Old July 16th, 2011, 08:11 PM
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Congrats on the shiny Psyduck, Lake of Retro!

Congrats on the shiny Shuckle, Landorus!

Welcome to the Shiny Hunter's Club, Fireworks!

My Litwick hunt is currently at 1,655. I got what I wanted in IVs with my Axew hunt, so that has ended at 170.
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Old July 16th, 2011, 09:33 PM
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My opinion about using emulators to hunt shinies


To be honest, I think using emulator does give someone a reasonable doubt to think that it isn't fair to use them to get shinies, because not only you can speed up the game, you also have easier and more convenient access to using gameshark codes, which can then be used to easily obtain shinies. You also don't have to pay for the game, which then also questions the "legality" of using emulators to obtain the shinies or to even play the game (I mean, you are playing a game that someone else made without paying them like you're supposed to, right?).


However, if you aren't using gameshark codes and all that crap, or open like 30 VBAs and speed that up 2x (there's absolutely no way someone can SR with 60 gameboy/DSs, right), I don't see how that's any different from hunting with actual game.



tl;dr: As long as you're not using an emulator to unfairly increase the chances DRAMATICALLY (beyond the point where humans can't do the work), I think it's okay to use them.
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Old July 17th, 2011, 05:35 AM
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ah that's good then, because I've already done 400 soft resets over the last few hours including breaks.
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Emerald has a broken RNG. I am not too sure on the details, but I think I am right. Hopefully someone will come in and correct me if not. In Emerald, your game has a number where when you hit that number a shiny appears. If you have an early number, you can SR for shinies. But if you don't have it you can't. The odds of having an early number are very low, lower than the chances of actually seeing the shiny.

That is why people stay away from Emerald because you don't know whether or not you're one of the people who has an early number or one who doesn't, and if you're one who doesn't you won't get a shiny.

I know someone who SRed for a Shiny Rayquaza for over 2 years on Emerald, totaling over 600,000 soft resets. Guess who never got it on Emerald? Apparently, this is common for people SRing on Emerald.

Then they switched to Ruby and got it in 1,000. lol

Soft reset using Heart Gold or Soul Silver. You see all three starters at once, and its RNG is fine.

I quit soft resetting for Mewtwo after 258 soft resets. Got bored lol. I went to Abra in the game corner. I did 10 soft resets and on Fire Red that's 550 Abra. I know I have somewhere between 400-600 already on my Leaf Green but I don't know, so I am just going to round down to 400.

So, I have a total of 950 Abras seen for that one..:3
oh, damn in that case I'll move over to heart gold. I wasn't fully aware of how different it was on emerald.
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Old July 17th, 2011, 05:43 AM
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I am at 1375 Abras on Fire Red (that's including 400 I already did in the past.) Right now I am playing through my Leaf Green on my DS to get to Celadon City so I can hunt there too.

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My opinion about using emulators to hunt shinies


To be honest, I think using emulator does give someone a reasonable doubt to think that it isn't fair to use them to get shinies, because not only you can speed up the game, you also have easier and more convenient access to using gameshark codes, which can then be used to easily obtain shinies. You also don't have to pay for the game, which then also questions the "legality" of using emulators to obtain the shinies or to even play the game (I mean, you are playing a game that someone else made without paying them like you're supposed to, right?).


However, if you aren't using gameshark codes and all that crap, or open like 30 VBAs and speed that up 2x (there's absolutely no way someone can SR with 60 gameboy/DSs, right), I don't see how that's any different from hunting with actual game.



tl;dr: As long as you're not using an emulator to unfairly increase the chances DRAMATICALLY (beyond the point where humans can't do the work), I think it's okay to use them.
Exactly, no one does that. When I was hunting for Shuckle I wasn't playing a 2x speed, I sped up the video just so the video wouldn't be long. :/ It was just like someone playing with two GBAs, which people do all the time. My computer barely ran at normal speed with 2 emulators open, I couldn't even speed the game up! lol My computer sucks so much.

Also, ROMs are not illegal everywhere. Where I live, ROMs are legal as long as you own the game. I own Fire Red..it's completely broken, but I own it, so it's legal. The legality of the game shouldn't change the shiny being legit.

A 1/8192 shiny is still a 1/8192 shiny no matter what you catch it on.

About cheat codes: You have the same access with normal games. You just don't have to buy a cheating device. In this thread I give people the benefit of the doubt when they say they got a shiny, I don't accuse them of hacking. I always show the cheat list on VBA when I do get a shiny (as you see in the Shuckle video) because that's the only way to prove you're not cheating.
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Old July 17th, 2011, 02:01 PM
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Emulators are perfectly fine with me.

By the way, I'm almost done with the main story of White, so I can shiny hunt again soon.
I'll use a random number generator to pick a non-legendary breedable Pokemon and start my hunting. Hopefully I can get started on that tomorrow.
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Old July 17th, 2011, 04:54 PM
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Hm... This never posted. I might as well say it although debate is over.

I have no problem with ROM shinies. HOWEVER, I believe that savestates and sped up games should be banned. Fine, use ROMs, but you should have to hunt just like all of us with official copies. Just my two cents.

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I got a shiny Chikorita the other day after just 426 SRs! I'll post info in a while.

EDIT: Uh, Lando? It's not possible to get any Altering Cave events without cheating...
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Old July 17th, 2011, 06:40 PM
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How do you guys get so many encounters..... I guess Im just slow T.T Im at 1000 encounters for the current competition.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 09:16 AM
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Congrats on the promotion, Latios Master! I was looking through the old SHC club and ohhh boy you've been here since 2004! Overdue promotion, huh?

How DO you guys get soo many encounters.. Did I really read 18000 somewhere just now? I've hatched 15 eggs towards my shiny Tympole goal... I barely started on the route contest and it quickly ended. Maybe I'm just juggling too much at once, namely browsing PC or completing other video games. XD Congrats to those winners! The emblem is pretty sweet, huh? :)

As for the random-generator route contest, I got generation 3 and route 112. I'm considering hunting on Emerald because one, I could run in to a shiny Marill over a shiny Machop, and two, I know that my first shiny appears within ~45 seconds sooo it's a matter of waiting a bit instead of SRing like a mad person (tip to those hunting on Emerald: just wait to advance the RNG or else you will get the exact Pokemon if you always SR super fast!). ^^

Landorus, that's an epic shiny! Although I don't recall being able to obtain Dive Ball in FRLG, it's nice that you match Pokeballs with the colors. Now, are you implying that you are not opposed to altering the game to get to Birth Island / Navel Rock? Serebii's SHC had a problem with that. I'm upset to hear that the SHC is closed there. I owe a lot to Serebii even though I'm inactive there. Ahem, I owe them for encouraging me to do something with my real mystic ticket. :(

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http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#roms ?
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"....whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet."

Although I consider Pokemon obtained from ROMs as legal (I do value them less because of the easily exploitable save states), I'm concerned about the misconceptions and dependency on ROMs. If you have retail carts, use them! If you want more games or consoles to hunt on, buy them. It's what I do. I don't really depend on ROMs. Don't engage in illegal activity and Santa should be able to give you another game, haha. ^^
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Old July 18th, 2011, 09:35 AM
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Hey, sorry it has been so long since I posted. Summers are always a busy time for me. Anyways, last night I was continuing my Lapras hatching and starting to consider MMing for a different Pokemon for a while, when it finally hatched!

I finally got my shiny Lapras, just in time for bed. Good dreams.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 05:14 PM
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Everybody say hello to our new co-owners--

!!!ShinyDoug!!! !!!R.K 9!!!


I haven't hunted at all today. o3o
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Old July 18th, 2011, 05:23 PM
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I'm at 18000 something encounters with this event so far (Yes. I'm using 2 DS's with HeartGold and SoulSilver in each of them, and I recorded encounters for both games), but there's no shiny AT ALL. This is just frustrating. :'(
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Old July 18th, 2011, 06:35 PM
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thanks.
awful news about the emulator shinies though... I find it totally ridiculous how people complain about them constantly. the shiny encounter rate is the same on every game, so I find it ridiculous that they're banned just because it can be sped up. it's not exactly cheating. oh well, doesn't mean I'm going to stop doing it. they count to me. I'll just not post them here seen as some people will overreact.
going back to my current task, 600 soft resets so far and no shiny starter just yet. I'm determined to keep going though. :D
I'm thinking for my next task I'll hunt for a pokeradar shiny for the first time. I've read plenty of guides and watched plenty of videos regarding chains, so I think I'm ready.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:10 PM
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So... all the fighting has made me sad.

Just an idea: What if we made a ROM department in the club? Have a person who knows their way around ROMs be an "Assistant to the Owners" and regulate for cheating.

People who want to hunt for shiny pokemon on a ROM could specify the ROM they are using and get approval for the hunt to be legitimized for the club's acknowledgement.

I know nothing about ROMs, so I don't know if this is a good idea or not.... just want everyone to get along.

On topic, I have started my new Masuda for a Petilil. It will be evolved asap into Lilligant.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:12 PM
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Congrats to the new co-owners! I'm sure you guys will do an awesome job.

Of course you can still post about it, R. K. 9, and we'll still be rooting for you to get a shiny. When we say "don't count," that means that they won't be entered into the Dex - you can still hunt them and we'll wish you the best of luck. It's just that the Dex is an attempt to get all the shinies on the actual games, and if we officially support piracy, people who don't have the games might start playing those instead, without actually buying them.

Of course, that's up to you guys now.

I've been hunting Hitmonchan all day. The other hunt that I'm counting is Dratini, and I'm up to 432 now.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:27 PM
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So... all the fighting has made me sad.

Just an idea: What if we made a ROM department in the club? Have a person who knows their way around ROMs be an "Assistant to the Owners" and regulate for cheating.

People who want to hunt for shiny pokemon on a ROM could specify the ROM they are using and get approval for the hunt to be legitimized for the club's acknowledgement.

I know nothing about ROMs, so I don't know if this is a good idea or not.... just want everyone to get along.

On topic, I have started my new Masuda for a Petilil. It will be evolved asap into Lilligant.
I think that's quite fair, although I still feel that if we were to create a whole new shinydex just to display emulator shinies then it may be a little bit of a waste of time seen as hardly any people use emulators to hunt shinies. (there's me, lando, and possibly a couple others)
I think everyone's getting along as it is. we're not throwing insults at each other so it's fine. :D and good luck with your petilil!


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Congrats to the new co-owners! I'm sure you guys will do an awesome job.

Of course you can still post about it, R. K. 9, and we'll still be rooting for you to get a shiny. When we say "don't count," that means that they won't be entered into the Dex - you can still hunt them and we'll wish you the best of luck. It's just that the Dex is an attempt to get all the shinies on the actual games, and if we officially support piracy, people who don't have the games might start playing those instead, without actually buying them.

Of course, that's up to you guys now.

I've been hunting Hitmonchan all day. The other hunt that I'm counting is Dratini, and I'm up to 432 now.
that justifies it more then I guess... I suppose that's fair enough then. I always have my sig to display my latest shinies anyways. good luck with your dratini & hitmonchan!
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Old July 18th, 2011, 08:31 PM
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Old July 19th, 2011, 12:55 PM
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And welcome to our final new co-owner...

!!!TwilightBlade!!!

I think I am going to play though HG/SS far enough to get the Goldenrod so I can SR for Abra in there on both my DS's and on my Leaf Green on my SP. I'm gonna get you. >:3
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I'm bored but don't know what to hunt for. I want it to be EPIC! Suggestions?
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Old July 19th, 2011, 01:26 PM
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Congrats on the promotion, Latios Master! I was looking through the old SHC club and ohhh boy you've been here since 2004! Overdue promotion, huh?
Thanks! Congrats on your promotion to co-owner too!

Congrats to the other two new co-owners as well, ShinyDoug and R.K 9!

Congrats on the shiny Chikorita, ShinyDoug!

Congrats on the shiny Lapras, PinkPirate!

I started MMing for a Scyther.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 01:31 PM
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I'm bored but don't know what to hunt for. I want it to be EPIC! Suggestions?
Shiny Emboar (although being quite the failure as a Pokemon in my opinion) has an epic shiny form, so hunt for Tepig! :D
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Old July 19th, 2011, 02:31 PM
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I just looked at the Shiny Dex and my name wasnt beside Lillipup. D:

Oh.... and is the Random Route Challenge over? Im just confused with all the new shinies getting obtained.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 03:07 PM
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Congrats to TwilightBlade on the new co-ownership!!

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I just looked at the Shiny Dex and my name wasnt beside Lillipup. D:
I might miss some of the shinies in the thread, so be sure to PM me whenever you get a new shiny!

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Old July 19th, 2011, 06:18 PM
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My shiny Blitzle/Zebstrika and Ducklett/Swanna aren't in the shiny Pokedex.

My White version apparantly doesn't like me and decided to corrupt itself. So, I had to restart my game. Again.
I'll still be hunting for shines when I'm done with the main story, though.
Good luck, everyone!
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