Research: FireRed Pokédex Hacking

[Jambo51]

Originally Posted by Ongekibou

I believe attacks past the normal limit break because of the lack of animation data.

It's partially that and partially something else, which is that the new attacks use battle scripts (which are generally poorly understood) to execute the effects of the attack.

As of right now, the new attacks don't carry any of the new effects which they should, they simply do damage, or do nothing.

They DO however run the DPSS properly AFAICT, so attacks like Scratch are fairy ineffective when a Pokémon like Charmander uses it (from experience).

[dudedude1]

Hey jambo I just had a couple questions about your patch (and don't worry it's not about progress xD)

1. When the patch is release will there be empty spaces (other than the orginal 25 between Celebi and Treecko) for fakemon or something because I have quite a few (maybe 50) new pokemon that I'd like to insert without replacing?
2. Will there be room to make new moves without replacing others?

That's all I can think of now but also I just wanted to say if you needed someone to insert move sets of pokemon I can do so. Thanks in advanced

[Jambo51]

[SIZE="a"]Firstly, the phrase should be "Thanks in advance." you don't need the d.

Secondly, there won't be free space as such. That is, I've specifically limited everything to 650 Pokemon (649 + Missingno). However, where possible, I have removed limiters, and documented the locations of absolutely necessary ones. So, if you wanted, you could use the documentation to add up to 999 Pokemon.

Finally, there are no limiters associated with the moves, except one which I removed, so all you need to do is repoint the table(s) and fill in the new entries.[/SIZE]

[dudedude1]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

[SIZE="a"]Firstly, the phrase should be "Thanks in advance." you don't need the d.

Secondly, there won't be free space as such. That is, I've specifically limited everything to 650 Pokemon (649 + Missingno). However, where possible, I have removed limiters, and documented the locations of absolutely necessary ones. So, if you wanted, you could use the documentation to add up to 999 Pokemon.

Finally, there are no limiters associated with the moves, except one which I removed, so all you need to do is repoint the table(s) and fill in the new entries.[/SIZE]

Thanks this is useful and sorry for my grammar. xD There was one more question I had forgot to ask was will this be compatible with JPAN's Hack Engine without screwing each other up. Thanks in advance (See I got it right xD)

[Jambo51]

Hehe, good stuff on fixing the grammar/spelling.
You won't be able to use JPAN's patch version of the engine, but you CAN use the installer to add his engine. There might be some incompatibilities, but most of his code should be fully compatible.

[Wiznatts]

Just wanted to report an odd finding that I've seen with the part of the hack that allows Pokemon to evolve without the National Dex. I've directed some people to it for their hacks on another forum, and it seems there is a problem. Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon do evolve just fine, but Gen 1 mons don't evolve to mons from other Gens; so Golbat->Crobat doesn't work while Chikorita->Bayleef does. I have no idea why this might be, but it's something you'll want to look in to.

[bwburke94]

I doubt that's a priority, as most hacks give out the National Pokédex immediately. Still, that does need to be fixed eventually.

[Wiznatts]

The entire point of that part of the hack is to make it so that you don't have to give out the National Dex. Was that not clear from the OP?

[Jambo51]

Originally Posted by Wiznatts

Just wanted to report an odd finding that I've seen with the part of the hack that allows Pokemon to evolve without the National Dex. I've directed some people to it for their hacks on another forum, and it seems there is a problem. Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon do evolve just fine, but Gen 1 mons don't evolve to mons from other Gens; so Golbat->Crobat doesn't work while Chikorita->Bayleef does. I have no idea why this might be, but it's something you'll want to look in to.

Thanks for alerting me to that bug. I honestly thought I'd fixed that, but I shall have another look when I get a chance.

Originally Posted by bwburke94

I doubt that's a priority, as most hacks give out the National Pokédex immediately. Still, that does need to be fixed eventually.

It's certainly not a priority, but it's something I would like to have fixed before I release anything.

Incidentally, I will be releasing a Public Alpha within the next few days/weeks. I'll detail the Terms and Conditions (and such) when it gets released. It's currently available to a select few hackers I know for (semi) private alpha testing.

[dudedude1]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

Incidentally, I will be releasing a Public Alpha within the next few days/weeks. I'll detail the Terms and Conditions (and such) when it gets released. It's currently available to a select few hackers I know for (semi) private alpha testing.

I can't wait to see this. I would love to help with if you need any. I could insert the footprints or edit the movesets if needed. If your not willing to lend me the alpha early I can wait until you release it to everyone and report any bugs to you. You are amazing!

[Full Metal]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

Thanks for alerting me to that bug. I honestly thought I'd fixed that, but I shall have another look when I get a chance.



It's certainly not a priority, but it's something I would like to have fixed before I release anything.

Incidentally, I will be releasing a Public Alpha within the next few days/weeks. I'll detail the Terms and Conditions (and such) when it gets released. It's currently available to a select few hackers I know for (semi) private alpha testing.

-- Will documentation be provided, or is it up to us to find / observe the changes in the patch? ( apart from the casual observer's obvious observations )

[Jambo51]

Tell me what documentation you guys want, and I'll try to provide it for you.
At the end of the day, the patch is being developed for you (and anyone else who wants it, of course ).

For ease of use, I'll bundle a known bug list and 2 XSE header files so that people don't need to guess the indices of the new pokémon and items.

I will most likely also provide my ini for PGE so that people can see the new stuff in PGE.

Apart from that, what do you want documentation about?

[Full Metal]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

Apart from that, what do you want documentation about?

Locations of routines and such.
I'm not so much after the patch itself -- I'd like to be able to learn from it -- understand why you did what you did.
Basically, I'd like to be able to *recreate* what you did, just for the sake of the experience.
But I don't want to bug you, or ask you to teach me individually, and I'm competent enough to understand documentation, or even commented routines if available. ( The second would be amazing too, but I think you said earlier you lost several of your routines )
For example, I think it would be pretty cool to just fix the bugs that occur with using one of the 25 empty slots.

( However, if I do make a hack, I would definitely use the clean ROM patch, and this patch with it. Two amazing patches, may I say. -- Thanks you two. )

[dudedude1]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

Tell me what documentation you guys want, and I'll try to provide it for you.
At the end of the day, the patch is being developed for you (and anyone else who wants it, of course ).

For ease of use, I'll bundle a known bug list and 2 XSE header files so that people don't need to guess the indices of the new pokémon and items.

I will most likely also provide my ini for PGE so that people can see the new stuff in PGE.

Apart from that, what do you want documentation about?

I think most of what you have is good. If it is simple, can you add a tutorial about what you were talking about earlier. Where you are able to increase the number of pokemon slots but if it is to time consuming I think that's fine. Also, like I said, if you need any help with footprints or movesets I'm here to help!

[Jambo51]

Originally Posted by dudedude1

I think most of what you have is good. If it is simple, can you add a tutorial about what you were talking about earlier. Where you are able to increase the number of pokemon slots but if it is to time consuming I think that's fine. Also, like I said, if you need any help with footprints or movesets I'm here to help!

Well, actually, footprints and movesets are 2 of the things I still haven't gotten around to finishing off. But I have to fix other things just now.

[dudedude1]

Oh, well that's ok. That's all I was saying. I could help out but I think the documentation will be fine (Especially if you add the tutorial I suggested xD).

[NarutoActor]

To Jambo: I was playing around with scripts and advance map, and I am not sure if this happend to you but the girl in pallet town has a diferent script ($B26A8A which is all FF's). No big deal just wondering why she has a different script then the original.

[Jambo51]

I was most likely testing out some sort of script, removed it, but forgot to reset the original pointer.

EDIT: Fixed for alpha.

[Jambo51]

This is (as the title implies) alpha 2 of my 649 patch. It fixes a couple of minor bugs which existed in alpha 1 (which was only privately available).

Terms of Use:
Do not, under any circumstances, release a hack based on this patch. You can build a private hack on the engine.

Report any and all bugs found either in this thread, in a VM, or a PM. I will endeavour to check the thread at least once a day to respond to any queries.

Please use this format, as it will aid me in fixing any bugs:
Bug - Explanation of what it is (a screenshot would also be fine if not better)
HOW TO REPLICATE: This is hugely important. If you can recreate the bug using a set of easy steps, tell me. Then I can replicate them myself to try to fix it. If not, don't worry too much.
When - When it happened (Specific area of game - like during battles or whatever)

Other than that, and most importantly, enjoy!

Please remember this is an EARLY ALPHA of the patch, and while most things work, some things do not. Things which don't work are listed in the spoiler below.

Spoiler:

No way to activate the new formes. You can manually activate them (Note: no sprites, just types) by setting the 27th byte of the Pokémon party data to something other than 0. However, the formes are only applicable to the upper half of the byte. That is, 0x10, 0x20, 0x30 (etc).

Footprint data missing for all new Pokémon.

Size comparison is WAAAAAY off. All new Pokémon are Pikachu sized in the comparison.

DO NOT open Cherrim's Pokédex entry, game crashes.

Ignore weird sprites in Pokédex, or lack of sprites in some situations. It's down to the code for Male/Female sprites being present, but the sprites are not.

No Pokémon above Raichu have a moveset.

Lack of Day/Night cycle disables some new evolution types. Simply add the DAN by Prime_Dialga to fix this.

Could be some issues with some attacks with the new DPSS. Swift seems to do very little damage for some reason.

The new moves which do NOT do damage will do nothing.

The new moves all use the old animations, literally copied and pasted into the new slots. This will be rectified at a later date.

There seems to be a severe issue with Gen 1 Pokémon trying to evolve to later gens. Certainly, Golbat -> Crobat crashes the game. Try to avoid any such evolution unless you want to try to find out why.

The new TMs have no real association yet, I just filled the data with random bytes, so there could be weird learnsets.

Couple of weird graphical bugs (ignoring what is already above that is)

The ASM hack made by HackMew to speed up egg hatching with Flame Body/Magma Armour is NOT in the ROM.

Also attached are a couple of headers for XSE which contain the new items (sans sprites atm) and the new Pokémon to facilitate the use of the patch.

I hope this will be tested by many, and I also truly hope as many bugs as possible are found so I can fix them.

Also, I sneaked in ony tiny little semi-easter egg. You should find it quite quickly if you're curious enough to open Sappy.

Finally, a short note to Team Fail and his ilk: The documentation is still being written up, I'll post it when it's ready. I hope that's OK.

Last but not least; The link to it: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24219056/649...0Alpha%202.rar
The INI: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24219056/roms.ini

This INI is for PGE, but it should contain most (if not all) of the relevant pointers/data.

[dudedude1]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

This is (as the title implies) alpha 2 of my 649 patch. It fixes a couple of minor bugs which existed in alpha 1 (which was only privately available).

Terms of Use:
Do not, under any circumstances, release a hack based on this patch. You can build a private hack on the engine.

Report any and all bugs found either in this thread, in a VM, or a PM. I will endeavour to check the thread at least once a day to respond to any queries.

Please use this format, as it will aid me in fixing any bugs:
Bug - Explanation of what it is (a screenshot would also be fine if not better)
HOW TO REPLICATE: This is hugely important. If you can recreate the bug using a set of easy steps, tell me. Then I can replicate them myself to try to fix it. If not, don't worry too much.
When - When it happened (Specific area of game - like during battles or whatever)

Other than that, and most importantly, enjoy!

Please remember this is an EARLY ALPHA of the patch, and while most things work, some things do not. Things which don't work are listed in the spoiler below.

Spoiler:

No way to activate the new formes. You can manually activate them (Note: no sprites, just types) by setting the 27th byte of the Pokémon party data to something other than 0. However, the formes are only applicable to the upper half of the byte. That is, 0x10, 0x20, 0x30 (etc).

Footprint data missing for all new Pokémon.

Size comparison is WAAAAAY off. All new Pokémon are Pikachu sized in the comparison.

DO NOT open Cherrim's Pokédex entry, game crashes.

Ignore weird sprites in Pokédex, or lack of sprites in some situations. It's down to the code for Male/Female sprites being present, but the sprites are not.

No Pokémon above Raichu have a moveset.

Lack of Day/Night cycle disables some new evolution types. Simply add the DAN by Prime_Dialga to fix this.

Could be some issues with some attacks with the new DPSS. Swift seems to do very little damage for some reason.

The new moves which do NOT do damage will do nothing.

The new moves all use the old animations, literally copied and pasted into the new slots. This will be rectified at a later date.

There seems to be a severe issue with Gen 1 Pokémon trying to evolve to later gens. Certainly, Golbat -> Crobat crashes the game. Try to avoid any such evolution unless you want to try to find out why.

The new TMs have no real association yet, I just filled the data with random bytes, so there could be weird learnsets.

Couple of weird graphical bugs (ignoring what is already above that is)

The ASM hack made by HackMew to speed up egg hatching with Flame Body/Magma Armour is NOT in the ROM.

Also attached are a couple of headers for XSE which contain the new items (sans sprites atm) and the new Pokémon to facilitate the use of the patch.

I hope this will be tested by many, and I also truly hope as many bugs as possible are found so I can fix them.

Also, I sneaked in ony tiny little semi-easter egg. You should find it quite quickly if you're curious enough to open Sappy.

Finally, a short note to Team Fail and his ilk: The documentation is still being written up, I'll post it when it's ready. I hope that's OK.

Last but not least; The link to it: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24219056/649...0Alpha%202.rar

Glad to see this is finally up but its gonna be hard to create new inis for programs xD Also, will this ever be allowed to be used in public hacks? It be a shame if it couldn't. Keep up the good work Jambo!

[Wiznatts]

I was hoping to have gotten the sheets for the Gen 4 Pokemon done before you released this to the public. Looks like I was a couple days late. I have good looking fronts for almost every Gen 4 'mon (I just need to make 3 Rotom Formes and recolor the Arceus sprites). Excluding Formes, I just need to make 13 more backs (28 with them), so I should be able to have those out by the end of the weekend I think. I hadn't intended to include gender differences, but adding those should be pretty easy if you want me to.

[Jambo51]

Originally Posted by dudedude1

Glad to see this is finally up but its gonna be hard to create new inis for programs xD Also, will this ever be allowed to be used in public hacks? It be a shame if it couldn't. Keep up the good work Jambo!

Ah, sorry. I forgot to include the INI with the file. I'll add it now.
The reason I'm not allowing hacks to be released based on this is because it's an ALPHA. It's buggy and I know it is. The whole point of releasing a public alpha is so we can find the bugs and fix them.

Once it hits what I will call "Beta" stage, people will be free to make hacks based on the patch.

Originally Posted by Wiznatts

I was hoping to have gotten the sheets for the Gen 4 Pokemon done before you released this to the public. Looks like I was a couple days late. I have good looking fronts for almost every Gen 4 'mon (I just need to make 3 Rotom Formes and recolor the Arceus sprites). Excluding Formes, I just need to make 13 more backs (28 with them), so I should be able to have those out by the end of the weekend I think. I hadn't intended to include gender differences, but adding those should be pretty easy if you want me to.

It's only the first alpha. We're a long way from being finished. So don't rush yourself too much. Ideally, more for the gen 5 Pokémon, we do kinda need the male/female sprites. Anyway, point is, don't rush yourself.

[dudedude1]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

Ah, sorry. I forgot to include the INI with the file. I'll add it now.

Thanks for that. It helps. Although I was trying to change the INI of Yape and Advanced Series and I got errors like ROM Configuration error or data is not compressed.

[Jambo51]

Originally Posted by dudedude1

Thanks for that. It helps. Although I was trying to change the INI of Yape and Advanced Series and I got errors like ROM Configuration error or data is not compressed.

You might get some problems with some of the sprites in any sprite editor because it's not configured to read the male/female/forme spriting system I created.

DO NOT use YAPE. It is incompatible with the new stuff. Use the Pokémon Game Editor instead. That is what the INI is for.

[Fireworks]

So there's no other Pokemon data editor that this will work with?
Damn, looks like I gotta wait 'til Christmas...

OFFTOPIC: That Doctor Who music vid you posted on youtube makes you a god in my eyes.