What came first: Arceus or Mew?

[Blue Rose]

So yeah, I've been a little confused lately. In the original games, it suggested that Mew was the ancestor of ALL Pokemon, but if Arceus is the creator Pokemon, and is still a Pokemon, would that mean it would be Mew's ancestor, or that it created Mew? Curious to hear other people's thoughts on the idea.

Honestly, I don't think we will ever know. I think the reason Arceus was created was to provide a religious explanation of Pokemon, and something to parallel (or oppose) Mew and the "evolution" concept that one must assume from it.


But regardless, I need some kind of theory to work with, as I want to make an rp that'll evolve something in the mirror of the origin of Pokemon...so I'd love to hear some theories/ideas~


I apologize if this is in the wrong section, but I wasn't sure where to put it.

[Avizion]

The way I look at it is that Arceus can become any type while Mew can learn any moves.
From my point of view Arceus already got the upper hand as of how it represent all the types while Mew stay put with the ability to learn anything.

My theory would be that Arceus created the world as "God" and sent his "child" being Mew into the created world where it represented all the Pokemon. Meaning that Arceus control the world it created (as said in the anime) while Mew does the inside
job by roaming around the world.

[Blue Rose]

Originally Posted by Avizion

The way I look at it is that Arceus can become any type while Mew can learn any moves.
From my point of view Arceus already got the upper hand as of how it represent all the types while Mew stay put with the ability to learn anything.

My theory would be that Arceus created the world as "God" and sent his "child" being Mew into the created world where it represented all the Pokemon. Meaning that Arceus control the world it created (as said in the anime) while Mew does the inside
job by roaming around the world.

That's a possibility. Much like God and Adam/Eve, no?

Although, I guess my confusion would be: if Mew is the ancestor of ALL Pokemon, wouldn't this include Arceus? Of course, this hypothesis was made during the Kanto era, and it was a region that appeared to be oblivious to Sinnoh myths and Arceus' existance, so it's hard to say. Interesting.

[Avizion]

I believe Arceus fall in the same category as Giratina where it is from an other dimension which makes it somehow not related to Mew, in the Arceus game event Arceus does rise from a black pith if I remember correctly but to put it simple. Arceus is counted as out of the world so the myth about Mew's status doesn't reach out to Arceus.

If you are planning on making a game with where both of these legends play a part you can make it so that Mew is the ancestor BUT scientists later find out about Arceus and if at some point you are supposed to meet up with Arceus, Mew can appear in front of it and say something like "My Lord/Daddy?" anything that makes Arceus look like superior.

[World King]

The thing is, since both Pokémon were known about at different times (Mew in post-2000, Arcesus on 2007), I'm guessing back then, no one expected to actually add something like Arceus into the series. But seeing and having kinda studied this beforehand, Arceus has only been credited for creating the Sinnoh Dragons and the Pixies. My guess is that Mew was also created when Arceus created the world, and most likely, every other Pokémon was descended from Mew; specially due to Mew's appearance and traits, it resembling an embryo.

But eh, this is just something I had been thinking for a while, now.

[Sector Revenge]

One of those stories that will be discussed either way. My question would be is, how was Arceus, itself, created?

I will stick to the thought that Mew was first so he was the true creator or something. I don't know.

[World King]

Like most RL religions, Arceus existed since the beginning of time. Its existence wasn't that much known, save it for the Sinnoh region. So, eh... still going with "Arceus = Creator, Mew = First of all" theory...

[Blue Rose]

Perhaps, except even Giratina had an origin; who created Arceus? I really doubt he just magically appeared out of nowhere. I believe I remember in one of the origin events, it suggested that it came from an egg. If that's so, then who's the parents? Every egg needs a parent.

Mew makes sense since he could just be a mutation or perhaps even an alien (a few are said to come from space).

Mew is said to have the genetic DNA of ALL Pokemon; they do not directly specify if Arceus isn't or is still in this category. So the question remains debatable.

But thanks for the theories. I think I know what I'm going to go with.

[Ciax]

Hers what I think happened. Arceus creates the world, the Sinnoh dragons and the pixies. He then creates hundreds of mews that go out all over the regions. These eventually mutate into the pokemon we know today, leaving only one or two Mews left.

[PlatinumDude]

Originally Posted by Ciax

Hers what I think happened. Arceus creates the world, the Sinnoh dragons and the pixies. He then creates hundreds of mews that go out all over the regions. These eventually mutate into the pokemon we know today, leaving only one or two Mews left.

I was thinking about that too.

And as for the Arceus egg theory, I'm guessing that some unmentioned supreme being created the egg, and Arceus hatched out of it.

[dragon456]

I'm going with Arceus. He's the creator of the Pokemon World, which includes Mew. Here's my theory: Arceus created Mew first, and Mew somehow gives birth or 'evolves' into the Pokemon we know today. (By evolve, I mean the Charles Darwin kind of evolve, not the Pokemon kind of evolve.) Or something like that.

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude

I was thinking about that too.

And as for the Arceus egg theory, I'm guessing that some unmentioned supreme being created the egg, and Arceus hatched out of it.

That supreme being is who all know as Satoshi Tajiri

[Bela]

This is a very easy question to answer. It's Arceus.

Originally Posted by Plate Engravings

"The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."

Originally Posted by Bulbapedia

Arceus is also known as "The Original One," as it is said that it created Sinnoh, and possibly the entire Pokémon universe, along with the lake guardians and creation trio.

Mew's status as the ancestor of all Pokemon has only ever been speculation.

[MantisboyN]

Arceus made the pokemon and all that stuff, thus he's not the ancestor, he's the creator. Mew would have been theorized as the first pokemon on the planet and populated the world with it's kin, all of which would have over time evolved into the various species we see today. This makes Mew the Ancestor.

A religious way to put it is this... Is god the ancestor of all people? Wouldn't that be Adam/Eve?

[MrKyurem]

My theory is that Mew has existed forever, but one Mew gave birth, and it became something different. This was purely possible, as mew can become anything, but this Mew was special. It became a delty known as Arceus. It created Time and Space, and it created everything that now exists except the rare species of Mew. Mew, under pressure from the sudden lowering in importance, attacked Arceus. Arceus, being a god, killed many Mews, and the remaining few went and became other things to disguise themselves. Only a handful of Mews that didn't transform exist now, and that is why we see Arceus as god, and not Mew.

[Haxorus3465]

Here's my theory...

Arceus is the creator of Pokémon, so he made Mew. Then Mew went out and gave birth to a whole bunch of Pokémon, who made more and more, and more, and more, and yes, MORE.

thx 4 reading!

[Ciax]

Another option is saying that Mew represents the science explanation and Arceus is the relion explanation. Just like our world with some people beleiving in evolution and others in religion.

[~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~]

I don't believe that Mew was the creator of all Pokemon because in my opinion if Mew were the creation, they would of never replaced it with Arceus being to creation. In my opinion, I would of never though something as small as Mew were to make everything. I think this should really be sorted out now

Another option is saying that Mew represents the science explanation and Arceus is the relion explanation. Just like our world with some people beleiving in evolution and others in religion.

I've never thought of it like that, usually I would go with the science explanation of "who created who and what" but for some odd reason, I just believe in the religious factor of it


TG

[MrKyurem]

Originally Posted by Haxorus3465

Here's my theory...

Arceus is the creator of Pokémon, so he made Mew. Then Mew went out and gave birth to a whole bunch of Pokémon, who made more and more, and more, and more, and yes, MORE.

thx 4 reading!

But how did Arceus's egg get there?

[XEL]

Originally Posted by MrKyurem

But how did Arceus's egg get there?

What if the "egg" was the big bang? hahaha

[Fireworks]

There's an article on Bulbapedia.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...C3%A9mon_world

[mrpengo88]

Seeing as Bulbapedia makes note of the fact that Mew may inhabit tons of different planets, my theory is Mew sent it's child, Arceus, to be god of all Pokemon on earth

[Lightning]

I always viewed it as Arceus created Mew as the genesis Pokémon and every other species descended from Mew (who has the original DNA of all of them).

But I can also equally see Mew, especially as it's characterized in the anime, being too lazy to oversee the legendaries that govern time/space/nature/whatever and creating Arceus to fill that role instead.

Either way, it's all based on mythology in the canon and who knows exactly how accurate all of it is.

[Suicune™]

Since Arceus came into existence I've always believed he came first.

[The Nightmare]

I would say arceus came first because he created the pokemon world and mew came first as the first pokemon to be in the pokemon world after arceus, but mew is also an ancestor of all pokemon.

[Houndoomed]

My take on things: Assuming mew has the DNA of all pokemon and Arceus is infact a pokemon, That would then mean a mew could have laid the first egg that Arceus hatched from. But in reality Arceus wasnt even thought of when Mew was released so I dont think Nintendo are too fussed with a Story change like that, sort of like when Soap opera's replace actors that play the same characters and continue on hoping no one will notice :-)

Zeus