What came first: Arceus or Mew?

[dragon456]

Guys, guys, settle down! It's offical! The true creator/ancestor of all Pokemon is actually Satoshi Tajiri!

If you think of it, this case is quite similar to the one true God (in most religions) and our first ancestors, the singular cellular DNA thingies! Why? Because fyi, Arceus's traits were actually based on Yahweh, the one true God in Jewish religion, while Mew was based on those single cell DNA thingies, from which all real world life forms evolved from. Also, Mew's Pokedex entries never stated Mew to be the ancestor of all Pokemon. No! It only stated that Mew contained every single DNA of each Pokemon and is believed by scientists to be the ancestor of all Pokemon, meaning that Mew being every Pokemon's ancestor is just a theory. Arceus could've just created Mew for the purpose of carrying every Pokemon's DNA, including Arceus's. Anyway, while Mew being the ancestor of all Pokemon is merely a theory and not a fact, Arceus's species is identified by the Pokedex as the Alpha Pokemon, meaning the first. The Original One.

Speaking of species, did you know that the Pokedex identifies Arceus as the Alpha Pokemon and Mew as the New Species Pokemon? Based on these names, which do you think came first? Alpha is the very first letter of the greek alphabet and is usually used to symbolize being the first and original one. Mew, on the other hand, is a New Species Pokemon probably because when Arceus created Mew, it meant the start of a new generation of species. A species called Pokemon.

C'mon, guys! This is hardly as hard as the 'Chicken or Egg' debate...

[Volcanix769]

I know that you might disagree on my opinion. But I think that Mew came before Arceus. Because that they mentioned that Mew has the same DNA of all Pokemon and in the first Mew movie, Mew must have created itself(same to Arceus, but didn't exist in the anime or games until Gen IV) in a void of Chaos, and was the first Pokemon. Then he must have created the other Pokemon(such as Arceus), then Arceus must have created the other Legendary Pokemon. But that the reason why Arceus must have been classified as a god is maybe of my theory: Maybe because that Mew must have passed on it's job to Arceus and that Arceus must be classified as the "god" of Pokemon. Then that the rest of the regular Pokemon much have been made naturally(Banette made of a doll), some of them are prehistoric naturally by the gods, and that the rest was made soon after naturally to adapt to their area. Plus, it did say that Mew carries all the DNA of the Pokemon, so it must be first. Anyways, do you think that either Arceus or Mew was the first Pokemon to be born? Sources tooken by Bulbapedia, Serebii, and other forums. Brief summary: Mew was made of itself, it then "created" Arceus in a egg of chaos, then that Arceus created the rest of the Pokemon and the universe, and took Mew's Role as the creator of Pokemon and for making the Legendaries. But this is a theory, not a fact. EDIT: I didn't know that there was a forum post like this, it probably took my post to here.

[Count]

Originally Posted by Sector Revenge

One of those stories that will be discussed either way. My question would be is, how was Arceus, itself, created?

That's like asking, how was God created? lol

But arceus is much like God. I mean religious people argue (iirc) that there could not randomly have been a universe, but the same thing goes for God himself. Like how could there randomly have been a God?

How could there randomly have been a pokemon? But that's a different discussion...

I just think that Arceus stands above all pokemon (even though I think Arceus is incredibly lame) and Mew was the first pokemon he created. Therefore Mew is the ancestor of all pokemon.

[Cosmotone8]

I've always thought that Arceus created the planet with it's plates and that mew then came and made all the Pokémon. Like bulbapedia says, it is unknown whether Mew even originated on earth, it could have come to the planet after arceus created it and made it possible for life to thrive.

[Andy2019]

That's also what I believe as well that Mew could have came from another species or universe of Pokemon, afterall it is a mirage Pokemon.

[Jayster23]

Arceus is the god of the Pokemon World.
Mew is like Jesus, except without a beard. And no resurrection.
Personally, I think the Pokemon Company just seriously hoped no one got that bored that they realised they stuffed up and created so many loopholes in the theory of Pokemon.

But that leaves the question of is it a Pokemon world with Humans or a Human world with Pokemon? Are Humans from another planet?
Questions for the universe in which supposably Arceus had something to do with.

[Sayan]

Arceus is the so called creator of the universe. So if it actually exists (which it does, cause you can see, battle and even catch it), it must have been the 1st thing to actually exist. Everything else was later made by it (maybe I should write "It" with a cap I).

Arceus is the creator but not the ancestor. It created Mew, and all other Pokemon were born of Mew (don't ask how). So I think Arceus came first.

[Xulek]

I'd have to say Arceus since he did create every other Pokemon out there barring experiments such as Mewtwo and Castform to name a few though.

[Stoney the Togekiss]

When I saw this topic, I instantly made up the story of how it all happened...

But I'm not sure if people would want me to post it here...

(for the creepy factor...)

[Cosmotone8]

Originally Posted by Jayster23

But that leaves the question of is it a Pokemon world with Humans or a Human world with Pokemon? Are Humans from another planet?
Questions for the universe in which supposably Arceus had something to do with.

This just blew my mind.

[Kirbydude56]

Idk Arceus is known as God of all pokemon so I dont think mew is the ancestor of all by which means he is God too that makes no sense.

[Ciz]

Well probably Arceus made Mew in my opinion. Arceus might have made the DNA of the self-generating Mew. Arceus is GOD, and Mew is still just a Pokemon.

Religions aside. Just Pokemon. Just Satoshi.

[Barrels]

I chuckled when I saw the title of this thread. We'll have to add another entry to the list of things most likely to cause an argument: politics, religion and Pokémon.

For what it's worth, I'm sticking by Mew. It just makes me grin to think that the ancestor of all Pokémon is a small, pink, furry kitten with a mischievous streak. (Although the base stats argument is worryingly convincing. Ho-hum. It'd be nice if an interviewer could just ask Tajiri.)

[Vendour]

Everyone is forgetting one crucial element of this controversy: Arceus's backstory is only a myth. A tale passed down from generation to generation in the Sinnoh region. However, with Mew, there is enormously strong evidence that supports the theory that Mew is the original Pokemon, and the ancestor of all Pokemon. Mew's DNA contains the genes of every Pokemon, and it can learn any Pokemon move, and it can transform into any Pokemon. Those are huge characteristics. It's pretty difficult to argue against Mew as the ancestor of all Pokemon when Mew has these attributes, while Arceus only has an epic rumor.

[Andy2019]

Originally Posted by Vendour

Everyone is forgetting one crucial element of this controversy: Arceus's backstory is only a myth. A tale passed down from generation to generation in the Sinnoh region. However, with Mew, there is enormously strong evidence that supports the theory that Mew is the original Pokemon, and the ancestor of all Pokemon. Mew's DNA contains the genes of every Pokemon, and it can learn any Pokemon move, and it can transform into any Pokemon. Those are huge characteristics. It's pretty difficult to argue against Mew as the ancestor of all Pokemon when Mew has these attributes, while Arceus only has an epic rumor.

I stumbled on something quite interesting"
The first legendary Pokemon that Red saw was Mew; he tried to capture it, but due to his lack of experience he was unable to catch it. In the Emerald arc, Emerald used soil from Mew's birthplace to calm down all the rental Pokémon as Mew had the DNA of all Pokémon. This leaves me to believe that Mew has all and Arceus Dna and Im sure they dont know for sure were is Mew's birthplace. Many people believes that Mew cant be of such responsibility as to judging it by its nature and personality in the movies as a playful creature not serious about life or danger unless its to its max. Mew is the first if it carries every Pokemon' Dna as "Vendour" stated, it has strong reasons to be the first as to saying how we know that every thing in the movies are real, like meaning that Im sure they haven't capture Mew's dna if it is a mirage Pokemon, what method did they use to get such Dna to make these statements and as for Arceus if indeed it is a God Pokemon then how was it disabled by Palkias spacial powers, I thinks its all just legends if you ask me.

Sourcesokemon.Wiki.com

[Pokemon Trainer Touko]

Mew created the pokemon world and Arceus was created by it to keep the time and space thingy balanced... I think :'D

[arbok]

Arceus is a legend. The Pokemon itself is real but I could see the people of the old days worshiping it as a God because of it's power. Mew has science to suport it while Arceus has drawings on a cave that some suspect might be related to it. Just because it has a temple doesn't make it a God. If you found a temple of Greek or Roman Gods would you start worshiping?

[Vendour]

Originally Posted by Andy2019

Im sure they haven't capture Mew's dna if it is a mirage Pokemon, what method did they use to get such Dna to make these statements

Remember, in the first anime movie, scientists discovered a fossil of an eyelash that belonged to a Mew. Mew's DNA was then extracted from the eyelash (and later used to clone Mew, creating Mewtwo). And in the Gameboy games, a scientist genetically engineered Mewtwo from Mew. So, in both the games and the anime, scientists had access to Mew's DNA.

[Dialgamaster23]

I believe Arceus came first, I don't know how it's egg appeared in the void but it did. It then went on to create Dialga, Palkia and Garitina. After the Earth was created Arceus created all the legendary pokemon.

However once the world was populated by legendaries. Mew was the first naturally occurring pokemon which went to to evolve into all the other species. Now there is only one (Or more, GF and Nintendo do a terrible job explaining how many of certain legendary pokemon acctually exist) Mew that obviously contains all genetic material of other pokemon because it is every pokemon in a regard.

[Andy2019]

Originally Posted by Vendour

Remember, in the first anime movie, scientists discovered a fossil of an eyelash that belonged to a Mew. Mew's DNA was then extracted from the eyelash (and later used to clone Mew, creating Mewtwo). And in the Gameboy games, a scientist genetically engineered Mewtwo from Mew. So, in both the games and the anime, scientists had access to Mew's DNA.

Oh I see thats how they obtained Mew's dna.

[Ocarina of Time - OOT]

My theory is the Mew is the ancestor of all MODERN-DAY Pokémon. My theory goes, Arceus created the world and everything like that. He created Pokémon, Pokémon that are unknown today. They slowly evolved into new pkm and Mew was evolved. Then, some wierd thing happened and all pkm died out. The only one that lived through the peril was Mew. Then, Mew evolved in modern-day pkm, henchforth becoming the ancestor of modern-day Pokémon.

Just my guess...

[Pokemon Trainer R3d]

Maybe Kanto thought that Mew was the creator of Pokemon because they did not know about Sinnoh yet and vice versa.

[NiirB]

Mew - why? cuz its the original idea - arceus might have created the world but mew created arceus :D

[zidiane]

Step 1: Realize that everything we know about Legendary Pokemon is based on mythology and guesses.
Step 2: Realize that everything we know about Legendary Pokemon is based on games, cartoons, and comics made to be child-accessible.
Step 3: Realize that any serious discussion about Legendary Pokemon can be nothing but flawed.
Step 4: Order some Pizza and take the day off to recover from the mind you just dun blown.

Honestly though. The just made crap up cause it sounded cool as a Pokemon. Creator of All Pokemon. Ancestor of All Pokemon. One's a superstition. One's a theory. They can get away with it because they're never in the same story (Has Mew had a Game story arc?). Neither is right. Though, my Logic side has to say that the theory is closer to being right because they have DNA to back them up. DNA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cave paintings and folklore :D

[Timbjerr]

Originally Posted by Vendour

Everyone is forgetting one crucial element of this controversy: Arceus's backstory is only a myth. A tale passed down from generation to generation in the Sinnoh region. However, with Mew, there is enormously strong evidence that supports the theory that Mew is the original Pokemon, and the ancestor of all Pokemon. Mew's DNA contains the genes of every Pokemon, and it can learn any Pokemon move, and it can transform into any Pokemon. Those are huge characteristics. It's pretty difficult to argue against Mew as the ancestor of all Pokemon when Mew has these attributes, while Arceus only has an epic rumor.

This. Exactly. It can even be applied to every legendary pokemon aside from Arceus.

Ancient Sinnohans perhaps encountered an Arceus and saw that it was an extremely powerful pokemon with limited ability to create life and began to worship it as their creation deity.

Mew was never explicitly stated at the "creator" of all pokemon, but merely their genetic ancestor, which is a fair bit easier to prove than Arceus's role as a creation deity, and in-universe scientists have done so.