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Old January 18th, 2012 (07:16 PM).
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I was bored so I decided to fire up pokemon again i'm trying to build a team and I came up with the following:

I'm running the sim in gen 5 btw.


Smeargle @ BrightPowder Speed/Defense Iv's Jolly Nature:

Spore
Baton Pass
Calm Mind
Bulk Up

Ampharos @ Quick Claw SP.attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

Signal Beam
Power Gem
Light Screen
Thunder Bolt

Kingdra @ Leftovers Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

Surf
Ice Beam
Dragon Breath
Signal Beam

Houndoom @ BlackGlasses Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

Flamethrower
Dark Pulse
Thunder Fang
Nasty Plot

Wheezing @ BrightPowder HP/Defense Iv's Impish Nature

Haze
Sludge Bomb
Toxic
Pain Split


Marowak @ Thickclub Attack/Defense Iv's Adamant Nature

Earthquake
Swords Dance
Ancient Power
HP Bug


Let me knwo if you have any suggestions or want to rate it. I'll test it for a while and see how good it works since I can't get swtor to download till at least tommorow.



And Before People say replace smeargle with blissey, I like my smeargle it'd probably be better to give him nasty plot/agility but I figured calm mind, bulk up would work too.
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Old January 18th, 2012 (07:28 PM).
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Giving us some EV spreads would help

And if this is for competitive play, Brightpowder and Quick Claw are banned. BlackGlasses is simply outclassed by Life Orb, too.
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Old January 19th, 2012 (07:46 AM).
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Ok firstly I think you mean EVs when you write IVs.

Now, coming to point. There are some glaring problems with your team.

1. The standard Nickwak set us no longer viable cause Ancientpower is now a special attack. Replace it with Rock Slide (it's not 100% accurate though, I know it sucks).

2. Replace Kingdra's Dragonbreath with Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor. Also Signal Beam is too weak. A physical attacking Kingdra with Outrage is also viable.

3. Replace Smeargle's Calm Mind with Quiver Dance which is universally better. You might wanna change bulk up with Gear Shift. Shell Smash passing Smeargle is also quite viable.

4. Haze is now outclassed by Clear Smog.

5. Your teams is quite lacking in type synergy. For example your team is quite weak to Earthquake after Weezing dies. Also, some common playstyles like weather, and bulky boosting sweepers walk all over this. The only way to solve this is substituting Pokemon. If you agree to do that, please reply and I'll suggest some substitutions.
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Old January 19th, 2012 (07:55 AM).
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what Sayan suggested ^
and Marowak isnt specially offesive
if your planning to pass Marowak some stats it better in a sub, or you can pass it some speed though agility or shell smash
Take off Hp ice and Ancient power
Add thunderpunch and Double Edge
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Old January 19th, 2012 (08:02 AM).
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Oh yeah, I didn't notice the Hidden Power on Marowak! Replace that and Ancientpower ASAP.

And Smeargle should be holding a Focus Sash.
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Old January 19th, 2012 (05:48 PM). Edited January 19th, 2012 by NeoStar.
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Good tips, I used most of them


Yeah I meant evs instead of iv's i'm sorry about that.

I'm sort of new to gen 5 so I didn't know ancient power was a special attack move now but how is HP bug not viable for marrowak? He can take out psychic,dark and one of his weaknesses grass types. With baton pass of attack/speed he's nearly invulnerable.


One thing I noticed with your recommendations while testing my team on pokemon online is that sleep clause affects my team severely since smeargle can only get 1-2 stat increases off before he is forced to pass and when it's off he's far to op and can just spore everyone to death before passing to amph or marrowak and flattening pretty much anything.



This is an example of sleep clause off
Spoiler:

Battle between Neostar and Wrobichaud started!

Tier: All
Mode: Singles
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Disallow Spects
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause

Neostar sent out Smeargle!
Wrobichaud sent out Ninjask!

Start of turn 1
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Smeargle used Spore!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed rose!
Neostar: again! this is fun!

Start of turn 2
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed rose!

Start of turn 3
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
But if failed!

Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed rose!

Start of turn 4
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed rose!

Start of turn 5
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used X-Scissor!
Smeargle lost 168 HP! (66% of its health)

Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed rose!

Start of turn 6
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Neostar called Smeargle back!
Neostar sent out Ampharos!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed rose!

Start of turn 7
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Ampharos used Power Gem!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask protected itself!

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Neostar: id pass
Neostar:

Start of turn 8
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used Protect!
But if failed!

Ampharos used Power Gem!
It's super effective!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask hung on using its Focus Sash!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask lost 99% of its health!
Wrobichaud: Nah, I got this

Wrobichaud's Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!

Start of turn 9
Wrobichaud's Ninjask used X-Scissor!
Ampharos lost 138 HP! (42% of its health)
Ampharos's Static activates!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

Ampharos used Power Gem!
It's super effective!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask lost 0% of its health!
Wrobichaud's Ninjask fainted!

Wrobichaud sent out Bisharp!

Wrobichaud's Bisharp is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 10
Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
Wrobichaud's Bisharp lost 100% of its health!
Wrobichaud's Bisharp fainted!

Wrobichaud: ****
Wrobichaud sent out Zapdos!

Wrobichaud's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 11
Ampharos's Quick Claw activated!
Ampharos used Power Gem!
It's super effective!
Wrobichaud's Zapdos lost 100% of its health!
Wrobichaud's Zapdos fainted!
Wrobichaud: ****

Wrobichaud: ****
Wrobichaud sent out Blissey!

Start of turn 12
Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
Wrobichaud's Blissey lost 56% of its health!

Wrobichaud's Blissey used Seismic Toss!
Ampharos lost 100 HP! (31% of its health)
Ampharos's Static activates!
Wrobichaud's Blissey is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

Start of turn 13
Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
Wrobichaud's Blissey lost 43% of its health!
Wrobichaud's Blissey fainted!

Wrobichaud sent out Kyogre!

Wrobichaud's Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!

Start of turn 14
Ampharos's Quick Claw activated!
Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
Wrobichaud's Kyogre lost 100% of its health!
Wrobichaud's Kyogre fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Wrobichaud sent out Gengar!

Start of turn 15
Ampharos's Quick Claw activated!
Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
Wrobichaud's Gengar lost 100% of its health!
Wrobichaud's Gengar fainted!

Neostar won the battle!
Wrobichaud: Guess I have to bend over now.



Complete amph rape.




And with it on
Spoiler:

Battle between Neostar and Wrobichaud started!

Tier: All
Mode: Singles
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Disallow Spects
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause

Neostar sent out Smeargle!
Wrobichaud sent out Ninjask!

Start of turn 1
Ninjask used Baton Pass!
Wrobichaud called Ninjask back!
Wrobichaud sent out Zapdos!

Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Neostar's Smeargle used Spore!
Zapdos fell asleep!

Neostar: by pass now?
Neostar:

Start of turn 2
Zapdos is fast asleep!

Neostar's Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Speed rose!

Neostar: *why*

Start of turn 3
Neostar's Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Speed rose!

Zapdos is fast asleep!

Start of turn 4
Wrobichaud called Zapdos back!
Wrobichaud sent out Bisharp!

Bisharp is exerting its Pressure!
Neostar's Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Speed rose!

Start of turn 5
Bisharp's Quick Claw activated!
Bisharp used Swords Dance!
Bisharp's Attack sharply rose!

Neostar's Smeargle used Shell Smash!
Neostar's Smeargle's Defense fell!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Def. fell!
Neostar's Smeargle's Attack sharply rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Sp. Att. sharply rose!
Neostar's Smeargle's Speed sharply rose!

Start of turn 6
Neostar's Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Neostar called Smeargle back!
Neostar sent out Marowak!

Bisharp used Night Slash!
Neostar's Marowak lost 100% of its health!
Neostar's Marowak fainted!

Neostar sent out Houndoom!

Start of turn 7
Bisharp's Quick Claw activated!
Bisharp used Psycho Cut!
It had no effect!

Neostar's Houndoom used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
Bisharp lost 271 HP! (100% of its health)
Bisharp fainted!

Wrobichaud sent out Ninjask!

Start of turn 8
Ninjask used X-Scissor!
Neostar's Houndoom lost 64% of its health!

Neostar's Houndoom used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
Ninjask hung on using its Focus Sash!
Ninjask lost 263 HP! (99% of its health)

Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Ninjask's Speed rose!

Start of turn 9
Ninjask used X-Scissor!
Neostar's Houndoom lost 35% of its health!
Neostar's Houndoom fainted!

Ninjask's Speed Boost increases its speed!
Ninjask's Speed rose!
Neostar sent out Kingdra!

Start of turn 10
Ninjask used X-Scissor!
Neostar's Kingdra lost 40% of its health!

Neostar's Kingdra used Dragon Pulse!
Ninjask lost 1 HP! (0% of its health)
Ninjask fainted!

Neostar's Kingdra restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Wrobichaud sent out Kyogre!

Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!

Start of turn 11
Neostar's Kingdra used Dragon Pulse!
Kyogre lost 99 HP! (29% of its health)

Kyogre used Thunder!
Neostar's Kingdra lost 52% of its health!
Neostar's Kingdra is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Neostar's Kingdra restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12
Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Neostar's Kingdra lost 19% of its health!
Neostar's Kingdra fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Neostar sent out Smeargle!

Start of turn 13
Kyogre used Water Spout!
Neostar's Smeargle lost 100% of its health!
Neostar's Smeargle fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Neostar sent out Weezing!

Start of turn 14
Kyogre used Thunder!
Neostar's Weezing lost 55% of its health!

Neostar's Weezing used Toxic!
Kyogre was badly poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 15
Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Neostar's Weezing lost 44% of its health!
Neostar's Weezing fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!
Neostar sent out Ampharos!

Start of turn 16
Kyogre used Thunder!
It's not very effective...
Neostar's Ampharos lost 24% of its health!

Neostar's Ampharos used Light Screen!
Light Screen raised Neostar's team special defense!

Rain continues to fall!
Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kyogre is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 17
Kyogre used Ice Beam!
Neostar's Ampharos lost 19% of its health!

Neostar's Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
Kyogre lost 242 HP! (70% of its health)
Kyogre fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Wrobichaud sent out Blissey!

Start of turn 18
Neostar's Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
Blissey lost 138 HP! (19% of its health)

Blissey used Seismic Toss!
Neostar's Ampharos lost 31% of its health!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 19
Neostar's Ampharos used Power Gem!
Blissey lost 60 HP! (8% of its health)

Blissey used Toxic!
Neostar's Ampharos was badly poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
Neostar's Ampharos is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 20
Neostar's Ampharos's Quick Claw activated!
Neostar's Ampharos used Power Gem!
A critical hit!
Blissey lost 135 HP! (18% of its health)

Blissey used Heal Bell!
A bell chimed!

Rain continues to fall!
Neostar's Ampharos is hurt by poison!
Neostar's light screen wore off!

Start of turn 21
Neostar's Ampharos used Thunderbolt!
Blissey lost 123 HP! (17% of its health)

Blissey used Seismic Toss!
Neostar's Ampharos lost 5% of its health!
Neostar's Ampharos fainted!
Neostar's Ampharos's Static activates!
Blissey is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

Wrobichaud won the battle!
Wrobichaud: Take my 12 inches deep!


Complete rape

I've also noticed that roar/whirlwind own me as well.

So is my team that "unbalanced" where it get's flattened on sleep clause and is far to overpowered without it?
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Old January 19th, 2012 (09:37 PM).
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All Hidden Powers are special now, regardless of type. HP Bug is also not viable. You can abuse recoilless Double Edge instead (use Rock Head 'Wak)
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Old January 19th, 2012 (09:50 PM).
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Smeargle may be better off with only one stat-up move, since it has a tough time getting both boosts up if it opts for two. It's also better off with Quiver Dance or Shift Gear as its boosting move of choice because Quiver Dance boosts Speed in addition to the user's Special stats, while Shift Gear also gives an Agility boost and a Howl boost at the same time.

Use a Timid nature on Houndoom for more Speed. Don't use Thunder Fang in that case, since it runs off Houndoom's lowered physical Attack:
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
-Taunt/Hidden Power (Grass)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire

Ampharos' bulk is decent, so it can use a bulky attacker set. Quick Claw is frowned upon in competitive play, since it relies on luck:
-Volt Switch
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Grass/Ice)
-Thunderbolt
Nature: Modest
EVs: 208 HP/252 SAtk/48 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
Ability: Static
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Well, the Smeargle set might be able to utilize two boosting moves. It wouldn't need to use both, but having both lets it pass boosts to sweeper at both ends of the physical/special spectrum. That way it gets to have more possible boost recipients and is more unlikely to be rendered useless.

However, if you want to forgo a set up move, it can be replaced by Substitute (to ease prediction), Foul Play (it uses the target's attack instead of Smeargle's pathetic attack).
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Quote originally posted by NeoStar:
Smeargle @ BrightPowder Speed/Defense Iv's Jolly Nature:

Spore
Baton Pass
Calm Mind
Bulk Up
For one, Brightpowder is banned. For two, Calm Mind isn't necessary since you have Ampharos for Sp. Def 'coverage.' Since Smeargle has access to Nasty Plot, just give it that to optimize Spore's effectiveness. Bulk Up can also be replaced by Swords Dance to get straight to the point.
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Ampharos @ Quick Claw SP.attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

Signal Beam
Power Gem
Light Screen
Thunder Bolt
Why Power Gem? On Ampharos, since this is walled by Gliscor, give it HP Ice. It can also benefit from HP Fire for Ferrothorn and/or Scizor considering those are just as rampant as Gliscor and Kingdra already covers Gliscor, in a sense. Replace Quick Claw with Life Orb or Leftovers.

Signal Beam is an all right coverage move, I guess.
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Kingdra @ Leftovers Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

Surf
Ice Beam
Dragon Breath
Signal Beam
Instead of Dragonbreath, just give it Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor and replace Leftovers with either Choice Specs or Life Orb to maximize Sp. Atk power.

Throw out Signal Beam and replace it with HP Fire for Ferrothorn/Scizor/Magnezone.
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Houndoom @ BlackGlasses Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

Flamethrower
Dark Pulse
Thunder Fang
Nasty Plot
Get rid of Thunder Fang and add HP Grass for Gastrodon and Rotom-W. Replace glasses with Life Orb.
Quote originally posted by NeoStar:

Wheezing @ BrightPowder HP/Defense Iv's Impish Nature

Haze
Sludge Bomb
Toxic
Pain Split
Don't use Sludge Bomb + Toxic. Use Will-o-Wisp instead of Toxic for Scizor, Skarmory and Excadrill (in some places) Replace Powder with Leftovers.
Quote originally posted by NeoStar:

Marowak @ Thickclub Attack/Defense Iv's Adamant Nature

Earthquake
Swords Dance
Ancient Power
HP Bug
Not even sure what to do with this. Marowak is competitively unstable in the OU metagame.
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