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Old April 14th, 2012 (5:40 PM).
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So now there's a move discussion thread, TM changes are kinda necessary too imo, mainly because Stealth Rock should be a TM and so on! So, do you guys think the TMs will change much from B/W had? Do you think of the ones B/W replaced, we'll have a whole new TM-set sorta, or a variation based on what was kept before B/W? Is there any TMs you'd like to see return, and you think are likely to return? AND if so why. :3

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Old April 14th, 2012 (5:42 PM).
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I'll agree that there are some TM's that need to be substituted for better moves and as much as I want it to I just don't see it happening. It would be kind of logical to just maintain the TMs & HMs used in Black & White but then again anything is possible.


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Again, I don't see anything changing with current moves and sources. Only expecting Move tutor to show up. Also seems like a jump backwards to revert older TMs back into the list right now.
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Maybe all the moves that were TMs in Gen IV that got replaced in B/W could become Move Tutor moves.

I'd love to see Dark Pulse, Stealth Rock and Dragon Pulse especially.
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Dark Pulse, Drain Punch and Giga Drain are such moves that I want as TMs again.
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Again, I don't see anything changing with current moves and sources. Only expecting Move tutor to show up. Also seems like a jump backwards to revert older TMs back into the list right now.
Given that TMs are now game-specific key items that can't be traded, it's not out of the question to add more. Why would we have Move Tutors again when their purpose has sorta been taken out by having infinite TMs?

I wouldn't want them to change the TMs, but I would like them to add TMs to the game again. Maybe for TMs like Stealth Rock…
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They really should bring back older Gen IV TM's, and retool the list a bit. Less gimmicky support & combination moves and more straightforward, power moves
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Frost Breath TM can be learned by 10 different pokemon. Kind of defeats the purpose of being a TM if so few get to learn it.

Stealth Rock should be a TM. I never use it, but a lot of competitive people do.
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Old April 14th, 2012 (9:21 PM).
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Frost Breath TM can be learned by 10 different pokemon. Kind of defeats the purpose of being a TM if so few get to learn it.

Stealth Rock should be a TM. I never use it, but a lot of competitive people do.
You are right, everything that learns Frost Breath except Mew is an Ice-type.
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I think that we will have all the TMs we had in B/W plus some more. I just really want my Stealth Rock, Roost, Giga Drain and Drain Punch back. It's annoying having to EV train and do everything in a 4th generation game, only to have to transfer to B/W to get some Pokémon with those moves.
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I have a feeling B/W2 will ruin TMs like GSC did, in a sense they make a lot of moves, mostly useless, TMs. Maybe they won't, but sense all TMs are of unlimited use, it's ringing in my ear for no particular reason. Anyway, Stealth Rock deserves to be a TM if things like Grass Knot and Brine stayed. Dark Pulse and Dragon pulse as well, since I just love to be mainstream<3~!
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I have a feeling B/W2 will ruin TMs like GSC did, in a sense they make a lot of moves, mostly useless, TMs. Maybe they won't, but sense all TMs are of unlimited use, it's ringing in my ear for no particular reason. Anyway, Stealth Rock deserves to be a TM if things like Grass Knot and Brine stayed. Dark Pulse and Dragon pulse as well, since I just love to be mainstream<3~!

Definitely need Dark Pulse and dragon Pulse that would be so much help. Rather than breeding in a different gen, getting the moveset right, then trading to B/W or B/W2.
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I'd like to see Dark Pulse come back, but something tells me there won't be much of a change at all, if any.
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While I know it's not impossible, and with GameFreak anything could happen at this point, I don't think the TMs will differ from B/W's TMs.
At most they'll just change how they're obtained, but other than that I don't see them changing the line-up when looking at how they handled it in past games like Platinum.

You never know, though! These games do take place in the future, and may break sequence as far as trading between games goes which would leave an open opportunity to change it without having it conflict with other games.
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Stealth Rock please! Very useful in terms of competitive battling, and I always thought it was a TM before. :[

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While I know it's not impossible, and with GameFreak anything could happen at this point, I don't think the TMs will differ from B/W's TMs.
At most they'll just change how they're obtained, but other than that I don't see them changing the line-up when looking at how they handled it in past games like Platinum.

You never know, though! These games do take place in the future, and may break sequence as far as trading between games goes which would leave an open opportunity to change it without having it conflict with other games when trading.
Well when I think about it, Platinum and B2/W2 are pretty different. Where Platinum was just a remake of D/P, B2/W2 are straight up sequels. The last main series sequels we had, G/S/C, had an entirely different line-up of TMs all together. Who's to say they won't do the same for these sequels?
Though I do agree with you. I have a feeling that the TMs will stay just as they are, which is fine by me.
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I'd like to see the elemental punches, DynamicPunch, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, and Giga Drain return as TMs.
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Personally I don't want Stealth rock to return as a tm...it was way too overused in Gen IV...

I'll like to see drain punch return as well, and the elemental punches should be tm's this time around.
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Just no Roost.

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Definitely need Dark Pulse and dragon Pulse that would be so much help. Rather than breeding in a different gen, getting the moveset right, then trading to B/W or B/W2.
Exactly. Too much work for competitive play.
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i personally DO NOT want stealth rock, its too anoying, when in competive it almost instantly kills some pokemon
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I want to see the elemental punches return. Roost would be helpful as well since my Flygon in 4th gen uses it. I'd actually like to see Brine return too, as it's a good Double/Triple battle alternative to the "hit everyone on screen" Surf and a certain Ice/Water type that I want on my team can't learn Scald...

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i personally DO NOT want stealth rock, its too anoying, when in competive it almost instantly kills some pokemon
Only Shedinja. :x

As for those who said Drain Punch, yes plz. Not sure of what Pokemon would really benefit from that, but just having that there would be nice. :3

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Truthfully the meta game would be turned upside down if stealth rock return to a TM but I would like to to see roost, the punches + drain punch to return as TMs.
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I'd like to see some of the Gen IV TMs to make comebacks in B2/W2, like Drain Punch, Giga Drain and Stealth Rock. If not, then I want them to at least be tutor moves, if tutors are put in the game.

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