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Old April 20th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Joshua64
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Hello. I'm new to 'competetive' B/W and just finished eving a team.. It's not going well, so i thought some of you could help.
My team:
Golem,
Sturdy
Brave, 252 health 212 def 44 atk Lead.
Stealth rock
Sucker punch
EQ
Rock blast
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Umbreon
Synchronize
UtiliTank 252 Def. 252 Hp. 6 Atk
Bold(should impish?)
Wish, Curse, Payback Yawn.
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Infernape
Blaze
Sweep. 252 atk. 252 speed. 4 hp Jolly.
Close combat, U-turn, Firepunch(should flare blitz?)
Mach punch.

Shaymin
Natural Cure
Timid 252 spatk 252 speed. spsweep.
Air slash, Earth power, Seed Flare, Hp Fire(scizor)
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Jellicent
Water absorb
Bold, 252 spdef 252 hp 6 def
Tank
Scald, Taunt, Recover, Toxic.
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Froslass
Snowcloak
Anti-lead/Anti-Dragon
252 spatk 252 speed, Timid.
Ice beam, Spikes, Taunt, Shadow ball.
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I'm thinking also about Ferrothorn, Dragonite, Espeon, or Hitmonchan..
Suggestions? Replacements? Item suggestions? Synergy tips? Thanks for your time

Last edited by Joshua64; April 20th, 2012 at 09:41 PM. Reason: Abilities
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Old April 20th, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Aaand moved to CBC since B/W isn't for battling-related things, just a note you'll also need to list abilities for your team too. :)
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Old April 20th, 2012, 09:43 PM
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Aaand moved to CBC since B/W isn't for battling-related things, just a note you'll also need to list abilities for your team too.
Sorry. Didn't know. Thanks
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Old April 20th, 2012, 10:22 PM
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Golem is terrible in OU because of its common weaknesses. Definitely replace that with Ferrothorn:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers

While Umbreon does have good mixed defenses, it can't do much offensively to the opponent. Dragonite can fill in its role for bulky support:
-Substitute
-Dragon Tail
-Thunder Wave
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP/252 SDef/4 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale

Infernape has one of the best mixed move pools out there, so take advantage of that by giving it more coverage moves outside of its STABs:
-Overheat/Fire Blast
-Close Combat
-U-turn/Grass Knot
-Stone Edge/Mach Punch
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Since you already have a Grass Pokemon in Ferrothorn, I'd replace Shaymin with a Rapid Spinner like Hitmontop:
-Rapid Spin
-Foresight/Toxic
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Sucker Punch/Rest
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

Jellicent needs a few moe Speed EVs to outspend min Speed Skarmory (take 40 EVs out of Defense and put them into Speed)

Froslass seems out of place to me because of its huge vulnerability to Scizor. Since most of the changes I suggested were mostly suited for defense, now I'll suggest another all-out attacker, like Hydreigon or Latios:

Hydreigon:
-Draco Meteor
-Dark Pulse
-Fire Blast
-Focus Blast/U-turn
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Focus Blast
-U-turn/Dark Pulse
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Latios:
-Draco Meteor
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Trick/Psyshock
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
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Old April 20th, 2012, 10:39 PM
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Time to ev xD
Thanks for all the help

Edit: Why not dragon claw? O.o

Last edited by Joshua64; April 20th, 2012 at 10:47 PM.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 10:58 PM
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The reason why Dragon Tail is on Dragonite and not Dragon Claw is because of the phazing utility Dragon Tail provides. It works well with the hazards Ferrothorn provides.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:04 PM
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Oh. And forgot to ask, Is lum viable on hitmontop's rest?

*Edit: is Deino's egg move Dark Pulse breedable without needing a forth gen poke who got it from tm?

Last edited by Joshua64; April 20th, 2012 at 11:10 PM.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:22 PM
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Oh. And forgot to ask, Is lum viable on hitmontop's rest?

*Edit: is Deino's egg move Dark Pulse breedable without needing a forth gen poke who got it from tm?
No, you need a 4th Gen game.

You will need a Ekans, Arbok, Gyarados or Seviper that is male, teach them the Dark Pulse TM in your 4th Gen game (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver) then transfer them to your Black/White with the Poke Transfer. You will need a female Deino, Zweilous or Hydreigon to breed with your transferred Ekans/Arbok/Gyarados/Seviper.

For Jellicent, you may need to spread the EVs a bit. PlatinumDude can tell you or just look on Smogon.



Try one of these sets for Jellicent:

Set #1 - Utility Counter
Bold nature
Leftovers
Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP, 216 Defense, 44 Speed
- Scald / Surf
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
- Recover
- Taunt

Set #2 - Special Wall
Calm nature
Leftovers
Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 36 Defense, 220 Sp. Def
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic / Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Ball / Ice Beam

Set #3 - Choice Specs
Modest nature
Choice Specs
Water Absorb
EVs: 172 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 84 Speed
- Water Spout
- Shadow Ball
- Surf / Hydro Pump / Scald
- Ice Beam / Energy Ball


Try them and see which one suits your playing style.
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Last edited by Hikamaru; April 20th, 2012 at 11:36 PM.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 11:26 PM
Joshua64
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Blech. Well, Guess im gonna find some friends.

1st and 2nd jellicents are looking good.. Deciding..
Oh- and friends as in d/p carriers xD

One more before i sleep, Ferrothorn with sr and leech seed is possible
~gn and thanks. gonna ev train later.

Last edited by Joshua64; April 20th, 2012 at 11:55 PM. Reason: Your double post has been automatically merged.
 
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