Go Back   The PokéCommunity Forums > Pokémon Discussions > Pokémon General
Reload this Page What came first: Arceus or Mew?

Notices
For all updates, view the main page.

Pokémon General Theories, experiences and other discussions regarding the Pokémon franchise that can't be covered in any of the other boards.



Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #76    
Old March 30th, 2012 (06:54 AM).
voicerocker's Avatar
voicerocker voicerocker is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 283
Quote originally posted by Vendour:
Everyone is forgetting one crucial element of this controversy: Arceus's backstory is only a myth.
Here's the big question though: What if Pokemon scientists are WRONG about Mew? The assumption is that because Mew possesses the DNA of all Pokemon within its own, it must be the ancestor of all Pokemon. But add in the other unique thing about Mew, its ability to learn all moves. I think the only reason Mew has the DNA of all Pokemon is so that it can use any move it wants to.

Arceus, even in-game, shows evidence of being a "god" because in HG/SS, it can create one of the Legendary Sinnoh Dragons. Not to mention it being the highest level wild Pokemon to date and having the highest stats of all Pokemon. I believe Arceus created Mew that way, not so it could become all of the Pokemon of the world, but just to make it unique.
Reply With Quote
  #77    
Old April 2nd, 2012 (04:16 PM). Edited April 2nd, 2012 by shaymin♥.
shaymin♥'s Avatar
shaymin♥ shaymin♥ is offline
Expert Trainer
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Unova
Gender: Female
Nature: Gentle
Posts: 18
Wow, mind twister here!

Well, I have always believed that Arceus came first as he was with the time/space/etc. group. I have always thought Arceus was the one who finally put it all together.

But now that I think about it, Arceus was in another dimension which leads me to believe Mew might have been sent by Arceus to be the sort of thing that made the actual world. Maybe Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina were the ones that planned the new world and Mew made the actual living world. IDK if anyone gets what I am saying but I am getting somewhere I hope LOL.

Quote originally posted by Jayster23:
Arceus is the god of the Pokemon World.
Mew is like Jesus, except without a beard. And no resurrection.
Personally, I think the Pokemon Company just seriously hoped no one got that bored that they realised they stuffed up and created so many loopholes in the theory of Pokemon.

But that leaves the question of is it a Pokemon world with Humans or a Human world with Pokemon? Are Humans from another planet?
Questions for the universe in which supposably Arceus had something to do with.
Ah, exactly my point. Arceus is the god of the Pokemon World.
Mew is like Jesus, except without a beard.
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #78    
Old April 3rd, 2012 (07:13 AM).
Briankelly130's Avatar
Briankelly130 Briankelly130 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ireland
Gender: Male
Posts: 17
It's possible that both Religion and Science work in the mythos of the Pokemon world with Arceus as the God Pokemon and Mew as the DNA Pokemon, it could be that Mew explains what they are but not where they came from or something like that.
Reply With Quote
  #79    
Old May 5th, 2012 (11:37 PM).
NO_obslayer's Avatar
NO_obslayer NO_obslayer is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 42
I think your all wrong it wasnt arceus or mew who created the world it was Pikachu!!!
Reply With Quote
  #80    
Old May 6th, 2012 (12:16 AM).
CliveKoopa CliveKoopa is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coventry, United Kingdom
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Posts: 597
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to CliveKoopa Send a message via Yahoo to CliveKoopa Send a message via Skype™ to CliveKoopa
It is my belief that Arceus created the Pokemon Universe and also created the first pokemon and the first humans too.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #81    
Old May 6th, 2012 (04:13 AM).
MEGAS's Avatar
MEGAS MEGAS is offline
Bestow5000 from YouTube
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Malaysia
Gender: Male
Nature: Jolly
Posts: 352
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to MEGAS Send a message via Yahoo to MEGAS Send a message via Skype™ to MEGAS
From my point of view, Arceus was created first, then create Mew, and then other Pokemon onwards and nobody even knew Arceus since he wasn't discovered by anyone yet but Mew instead.
__________________
Will work on a better signature when I don't feel lazy.
My Black/White FC: 1291 3843 5714
My SoulSilver FC:4125 9236 0274
My Platinum FC: 3609 8138 7721
Name: Max
Accepting B/W Wi-Fi battles only, contact me for one.
Reply With Quote
  #82    
Old May 6th, 2012 (06:13 AM).
NO_obslayer's Avatar
NO_obslayer NO_obslayer is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 42
I think mew came first because arceus is a 4th gen pokemon
Reply With Quote
  #83    
Old May 6th, 2012 (07:35 AM).
CliveKoopa CliveKoopa is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coventry, United Kingdom
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Posts: 597
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to CliveKoopa Send a message via Yahoo to CliveKoopa Send a message via Skype™ to CliveKoopa
Quote originally posted by NO_obslayer:
I think mew came first because arceus is a 4th gen pokemon
Yeah, and your point is? It doesn't matter what generation it comes from. Thats like saying only the original 150 are the true pokemon, thats stupid and ignorant.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #84    
Old May 6th, 2012 (05:23 PM).
TheFattestSnorlax's Avatar
TheFattestSnorlax TheFattestSnorlax is offline
still deeply cares
Crystal Tier
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Australia
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Nature: Mild
Posts: 588
I think that Arceus was the first pokemon, and the first pokemon that it created was Mew. Soon more and more follow up afterwards.
__________________
Ask a question, or make a suggestion of what I can do on http://thefattestsnorlax.tumblr.com/
Reply With Quote
  #85    
Old May 6th, 2012 (10:10 PM).
CliveKoopa CliveKoopa is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coventry, United Kingdom
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Posts: 597
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to CliveKoopa Send a message via Yahoo to CliveKoopa Send a message via Skype™ to CliveKoopa
I believe there are several Mew about, just like in the anime. If that was true however, that would make the ancestor theory flawed. How can one Mew be an ancestor if there are several Mew in the pokemon world.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #86    
Old May 6th, 2012 (10:34 PM).
Oryx's Avatar
Oryx Oryx is offline
CoquettishCat
Crystal Tier
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Nature: Relaxed
Posts: 13,207
Well Mew as the species could be an ancestor. I mean, think about it: on Earth we can see animals that evolved from other animals, because they ended up in a different area of the world. So as a species, other Pokemon could have evolved from it in the Darwinian sense.
__________________


Theme * Pair * VM * PM

Not all men...

Are all men stupid?

That's right.

Reply With Quote
  #87    
Old May 7th, 2012 (04:40 AM).
CliveKoopa CliveKoopa is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coventry, United Kingdom
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Posts: 597
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to CliveKoopa Send a message via Yahoo to CliveKoopa Send a message via Skype™ to CliveKoopa
I just have trouble accepting the Darwinian theory in pokemon because of the way their different ways of evolving, which is always instant instead of millions of years.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #88    
Old May 7th, 2012 (09:09 AM).
voicerocker's Avatar
voicerocker voicerocker is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 283
Darwin's theory of evolution does not apply to Pokemon. Mew has never shown traits of truly being the ancestor of all Pokemon. We know Arceus created most of the Sinnoh Legends so why would it only create 6 or 7 Pokemon if it is the "Alpha Pokemon" and not the other 600+ Pokemon?
__________________
"Believe in yourself and create your own destiny. Don't fear failure." - Only Toonami
=====

Pokemon White 2 Team:
Reply With Quote
  #89    
Old May 7th, 2012 (09:40 AM).
Pieman50's Avatar
Pieman50 Pieman50 is offline
Pokemon Maniac
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Posts: 25
Arceus is essentially the 'God' of pokemon religion.

Mew was a pokemon found in a tomb by some of the first pokemon explorers.

Now.. seeing as Pokemon came before Humans, much like the dinosaurs, It would be most likely that Arceus came first.


EDIT: Now even though it's unrelated to this thread, there's also been speculation that Giratina may have come first, because he has power over time and dimensions themselves.
__________________
Friend Code: 0433-3955-5682

*excluding the hyphens*
Reply With Quote
  #90    
Old May 7th, 2012 (09:49 AM).
CliveKoopa CliveKoopa is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Coventry, United Kingdom
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Posts: 597
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to CliveKoopa Send a message via Yahoo to CliveKoopa Send a message via Skype™ to CliveKoopa
Quote originally posted by voicerocker:
Darwin's theory of evolution does not apply to Pokemon. Mew has never shown traits of truly being the ancestor of all Pokemon. We know Arceus created most of the Sinnoh Legends so why would it only create 6 or 7 Pokemon if it is the "Alpha Pokemon" and not the other 600+ Pokemon?
My thoughts exactly. I believe Arceus is more of an ancestor than Mew is as he is IMO the creator.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #91    
Old May 7th, 2012 (10:26 AM).
Nick's Avatar
Nick Nick is offline
What am I to do?
Platinum Tier
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 4,900
First off, I believe that Arceus did, according to the myths, create all Pokémon, and all of those Pokémon are branches of Mew. So, Arceus hatches from chaotic nothingness and creates Mew to spur on all other Pokémon. Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are merely dimensional managers in our universe and have nothing to do with species creation. I believe that Arceus is the genetic exception to being stored within Mew's genes. And I think that Arceus's egg has no creator or predecessors of any kind, but was instead akin to the big bang.

In short, my theory on it is:
Nothigness → Arceus → Mew → Everything else (aside from Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and the Lake Guardians)
__________________
My current project
Pokémon Citrite Version
In a world riddled with mysteries and turmoil, how will you get by?
Reply With Quote
  #92    
Old May 21st, 2012 (09:04 PM).
Loner_grunger's Avatar
Loner_grunger Loner_grunger is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Littleroot Town
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Nature: Lonely
Posts: 109
Magikarp, just magikarp...

No, but seriously, I totally agree with AlexTheRose. It's just like most of the religions and mythologies en real life. Take for example the greek mythology, where even before the Titand there where elemental "gods" that spawned the titans, and at the same time all these primordial gods came from the Chaos. The problem is that Arceus, being a pokemon can be captured in a freaking pokeball but hey... it's Pokemon, since does it make sense xD??
__________________
3DS code: 1048-8436-7624


Reply With Quote
  #93    
Old June 3rd, 2012 (06:18 PM). Edited June 3rd, 2012 by Mr.Anomaly.
Mr.Anomaly Mr.Anomaly is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1
I have a theory that might fill the "loopholes".

Since Mew is still a relative mystery and a mirage (so to speak), and Arceus' history is shrouded in myth, then what if:

Arceus is really Mew's true form, or just one of Mew's forms that happens to be the God? What if they are one and the same?
Reply With Quote
  #94    
Old June 3rd, 2012 (11:43 PM).
PKMNTRNCha0tic PKMNTRNCha0tic is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 37
Arceus is the divine deity in the pokeverse....I'd say that since he is supposed to be god,explaining how he came to be is kinda like explaining how our divine Deity came to be (and mind you,it is not even proven that there is something out there that we can call god).Mew I guess should be the first pokemon created.Or he could be the word of God/Arceus (it was the word of God that made the universe bar the humans,according to the Christian theory),and it was Mew who made the other pokemon (this does have a few flaws as a theory but,unless something official is released,it stands).
Reply With Quote
  #95    
Old June 4th, 2012 (02:41 AM).
Empyrean Empyrean is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Nature: Naughty
Posts: 20
Mew was the Original Being. Mew gave birth to the Egg of Arceus, and from there... Well,

Arceus did not create the universe on His own. His divine influence was passed on through His children to shape nature.

He took his essence and carved it in half to create Aether and Epoch who created stars and dimensions for His creations to exist in.

Arceus crowned daughter Aether in Pearl and named her Palkia. He then crowned son Epoch in Diamond and named him Dialga. Arceus, now aided by his children, created his final son Giratina from Dark Matter and the Void.

He formed the World with His breath and commanded His son Giratina to cradle it. Giratina would take the burden of His Father’s creation and nurture it, for it was His divine order.

Arceus combined the passion of Fire and the corporeal strength of Dragon to create Reshiram, the holy Angel of light whose fire burnt brighter than any star. As light could not exist without darkness, He then combined the raw power of Electricity and the corporeal strength of Dragon to create Zekrom, the holy Angel of dark whose essence is that of life's own spark. They were His soldiers, unto which the order of the Universe as it was known was upheld.

Arceus gazed upon His creations, content to let life bloom forward now that the seed had been planted. And He fell into a deep slumber.
Reply With Quote
  #96    
Old June 5th, 2012 (01:47 AM).
MiTjA's Avatar
MiTjA MiTjA is offline
Poké-atheist
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Slovenia
Age: 25
Nature: Serious
Posts: 587
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to MiTjA
Neither. Unless you go chronologically by discovery/creation by gamefreak.

Mew is said to be the ancestor of pokemon. Its a guess, a theory. There has been no evidence indicating any darwinian evolution and besides, Mew looks rather complete and perfect instead of primitive.

Fact: Mew shares DNA with all pokemon.
Theory: It might be an ancestor.

According to legend Arceus is said to have created the universe with thousand arms.
Do you see thousand arms? No. Thats there just to point out how literal this story is meant to be.
It is a myth. Arceus is not a god.
As with the rest of the true legendaries, it is just a powerful and rare pokemon, that lives for ages, and has had people make up local myths about it.
No one outside Sinnoh even knows Arceus, just like Groudon/Kyogre are a myth only famous in Hoenn etc. Why? Because they reside in those places. Ancient people saw their powers and made up creation myths about them, of course always revolving just about their region.. a legend doesn't have to be more than just a story simply because its in a game. In this case, myths are still just myths but the inspiration is an actual magnificent creature.

Fact: Arceus can create a DimensionTrio egg with the help of hundreds of Unown.
Myth: It hatched out of an egg and created the universe with its thousand arms.

Even in the biggest act we witnessed, it merely created a pokemon in a more spiritual way (fittingly as it is a legendary), which is what pokemon can do through normal reproduction anyway, and even for that it needed the mysterious Unown...


So in the end,
neither are factual origin stories, one being a wild assumption, the other being just another local creation myth.
Both pokemon are as exceptional as any other legendary, but not extremely above that either.

The only truth of course is the third explanation. All pokemon were created by game-developers in the image of the real world creatures.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #97    
Old June 5th, 2012 (04:43 AM).
Mr Cat Dog's Avatar
Mr Cat Dog Mr Cat Dog is offline
<insert witty eloquence here>
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: London, UK
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Nature: Relaxed
Posts: 10,915
As silly as all of this hypothesising is, I'll just co-sign the general 'Arceus came first and made Mew, which then evolved into every other Pokemon' theory. Though I don't really think The Pokemon Company nor Game Freak had much backstory planned for this when unveiling either Arceus or Mew.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #98    
Old June 5th, 2012 (12:00 PM).
redxguitar redxguitar is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 16
Mew was the risen from Arceus because he is the creator of all pokemon =) Then Mew gave birth to everyone else
Reply With Quote
  #99    
Old June 5th, 2012 (12:11 PM).
Plusleminun's Avatar
Plusleminun Plusleminun is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sweden
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Nature: Quiet
Posts: 58
I think Arceus came first, and created Mew. However, I do also believe that Arceus created Dialga, Palkia, Giratina and a few other legendaries simultaneously with Mew, not that they originates from Mew. To be honest I don't think Nintendo themself know the answer. '
Also, a bit off-topic but anyway, in Johto in the legend about the Brass Tower (Burned Tower) it says that Ho-oh granted new life to three Pokémons that perished in the fire, does it means he created the legendary beasts, or just gave them new life?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #100    
Old June 5th, 2012 (01:05 PM).
agdragonrider's Avatar
agdragonrider agdragonrider is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Gender: Female
Posts: 18
Well if we're looking at Arceus as a 'god' then maybe It created Mew, sort of as its 'Adam and Eve' type of thing, thus it then 'gives birth' to every other Pokémon.
Or more likely the Prehistoric Pokémon (now Fossil Pokémon), which in turn evolved into all the rest of them.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Quick Reply

Sponsored Links
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are UTC -8. The time now is 09:57 AM.