☣ Toxic ☣ - The Poison Type Fanclub

[miltankRancher]

Originally Posted by Olli97

What do you guys think about how Poison types get portrayed in the anime?

Well to say the least, all of them are being put in bad lights kinda. I mean, Poison Pokémon are always being seen as evil, and I can see a point in that, but for some reason they always end up on Team Rocket's teams, where they are just destined to lose every single battle, so they are kinda being shown as weak too.

Once they show them outside of Team Rockets team, it's usually something tame, like with Trubbish and the playground in the B/W anime.

So yeah, I think they're being portrayed pretty badly.

This. It is either being too evil or being too cute. The badassery of these poison types are always... absent. I mean, let's look at some badass Poison types. Nidoking. Used by Gary and it easily went down. Zubat family. Used by every freaking rocket. Roserade. Where is she anyway? On drew's team? They are all gone.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by arbok

Remember Ash's Muk? That thing won Ash a few tricky battles including a really tough Bellsprout (also poison type) which had already KOed Ash's mighty Bulbasaur (also poison type).

Ash's Muk certainly was an exception to the Poison types being shown badly concept, but I think with Bulbasaur it's more a case of that being a starter Pokemon so it automatically does well in Ash's care x] But yeah you do have a point here haha.

Originally Posted by Olli97

Well to say the least, all of them are being put in bad lights kinda. I mean, Poison Pokémon are always being seen as evil, and I can see a point in that, but for some reason they always end up on Team Rocket's teams, where they are just destined to lose every single battle, so they are kinda being shown as weak too.

I agree with this completely :3 They're always shown to be bad guys, eg when Trubbish is being mean in the preschool; when Amoonguss attacks Ash's friend in the woods; when Grimer/Muk take over the Psyduck pond; when Venipede swarmed over Castelia City; etc. You barely ever see none Poison (or Dark) type Pokemon doing this kinda stuff! D: It certainly doesn't help their image at least :p

Originally Posted by miltankRancher

It is either being too evil or being too cute. The badassery of these poison types are always... absent. I mean, let's look at some badass Poison types. Nidoking. Used by Gary and it easily went down. Zubat family. Used by every freaking rocket. Roserade. Where is she anyway? On drew's team? They are all gone.

Hmm, I'm not sure I completely agree here :3 Nidoking I certainly agree with, but Brock's Zubat family and Croagunk were both pretty badass, as well as Ash's Muk and Dawn's Grimer when she was lent one. And I don't really remember much of Drew's Roserade but when Roserade featured in Floaroma town it was more than awesome after it got its confidence back :3 But yeah, other than these examples I can't think of many other badass Poison types other than ones in Pokemon Gyms haha.

Is this necessarily a bad thing though? Maybe it's a good thing to have a type to be known as something of an "evil" type? Especially when it's a type associated with poison and toxic and acid and death; maybe Poison types should work towards this image? :p

[arbok]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

They're always shown to be bad guys, eg when Trubbish is being mean in the preschool; when Amoonguss attacks Ash's friend in the woods; when Grimer/Muk take over the Psyduck pond; when Venipede swarmed over Castelia City; etc. You barely ever see none Poison (or Dark) type Pokemon doing this kinda stuff! D: It certainly doesn't help their image at least :p

I disagree. Gyarados, Electrode, Electabuzz, Ursaring and Fearow are frequent Antagonistic mons, even Onix gets its moments. In the very first episode its a flock of spearow who attack Ash and Pikachu rather than Golbat (as a flying poison). Meowth is the most common foe for the heroes and he's a normal type. If we look at team rocket's pokemon in the anime they're not as heavily poison as you'd think, its just Arbok and Weezing are the most remembered.
Meowth- normal
Arbok- poison
Weezing- poison
Victreebel- grass/poison
Lickitung- Normal
Wobuffet- psychic
Serviper- poison
Chimecho- psychic
Cacnea- grass
Dustox- Bug/Poison
Mime jr.- psychic
Carnivine- grass
Yanmega- bug/flying
Woobat- flying/psychic
Yanmask- ghost
so that is 5/15 of those only 3 are pure poison.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by arbok

I disagree. Gyarados, Electrode, Electabuzz, Ursaring and Fearow are frequent Antagonistic mons, even Onix gets its moments. In the very first episode its a flock of spearow who attack Ash and Pikachu rather than Golbat (as a flying poison). Meowth is the most common foe for the heroes and he's a normal type. If we look at team rocket's pokemon in the anime they're not as heavily poison as you'd think, its just Arbok and Weezing are the most remembered.

Spoiler:

Meowth- normal
Arbok- poison
Weezing- poison
Victreebel- grass/poison
Lickitung- Normal
Wobuffet- psychic
Serviper- poison
Chimecho- psychic
Cacnea- grass
Dustox- Bug/Poison
Mime jr.- psychic
Carnivine- grass
Yanmega- bug/flying
Woobat- flying/psychic
Yanmask- ghost

so that is 5/15 of those only 3 are pure poison.

I agree with what you're saying, but I think it's important to remember that there are only a small number of Poison type Pokémon so not that many can actually be used in this way x] But yeah I think I did give them a bit of an unfair claim about being constantly evil/useless!

So what Poison types are people planning to use in their next play-throughs? I'm doing a Nuzlocke on Pearl at the moment so I can't really plan to use any, but I certainly hope I come across some! I'd like to hopefully catch a Grimer, a Wheezing, a Stunky and a Gulpin, but A) I'm not sure where these Pokémon actually are and B) I don't get to choose them in Nuzlocke. xD So yeah that's kinda annoying, but I really want to use some soon!

Plus I wish there were more Poison types... There really aren't all that many; do you guys think there should be more? :3

[arbok]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

So what Poison types are people planning to use in their next play-throughs? I'm doing a Nuzlocke on Pearl at the moment so I can't really plan to use any, but I certainly hope I come across some! I'd like to hopefully catch a Grimer, a Wheezing, a Stunky and a Gulpin, but A) I'm not sure where these Pokémon actually are and B) I don't get to choose them in Nuzlocke. xD So yeah that's kinda annoying, but I really want to use some soon!

Plus I wish there were more Poison types... There really aren't all that many; do you guys think there should be more? :3

Weezing is one for Ruby version and I can never go a playthrough of HG without Victreebel, when it learns Leaf Blade you just can't beat it. I usually go for Stunky in Diamond but maybe next time I won't just for variety...
Actually poison type is one of the most common with gen 1 having almost 1/4 of them poison, it's just every since gen 1 they've been less and less. I'd agree about needing more pure poison types though. Off the top of my head there's on Arbok, Muk, Weezing, Nidorans (but they grow out of it), Serviper, Swalot and Garbodor.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Unfortunately the later generations hardly introduced any Poison Pokémon though :( Gen I introduced 34 out of the total 57 Poison type Pokémon; that's well over half of all Poison types. So I agree that they were indeed hugely abundant in Gen I (probably the reason that so few have been made since), but that has left open so many holes for new Poison types to be made which should be taking advantage of the new moves, abilities, strategies, items, etc, all available with the new generation. 'Cos lets be honest, the majority of dual-Poison types such as Venosaur, Crobat, Roserade, Beedrill, Nidoking, etc, don't have their Poison typing focused on much at all. They mainly rely on their other typing's moves and if any the Poison side of them usually goes ignored :x This is why I think we need more Poison types introduced. :D

Or as an alternative it'd be nice to get some new evolutions for existing Poison types; something like Arbok, Wheezing, Muk, etc, could really evolve into a complete beast of a Pokémon. An evolved Muk would be the utter king of stalling. x]

[okjoek]

Name: Okjoek
Partner: Muk
Reason: I'm dissapointed that just about all of the poison type specialists to this date are ninjas, and from kanto for that matter (excluding Roxie, but I havn't fought her yet)
If I were a poison type specialist I would take on a different theme, possibly a scientist or medical doctor or maybe the head of a (nuclear?) Powerplant! I've got it!

The champion of a region being the rich son (kinda like steven) of a powerplant owner. Growing up, his fathers powerplant has brought in a lot of poison types to where he lives. He's made them as his friends and now he's the most powerful trainer in the world! If that were me my team would be:

Weezing
Venomoth
Tentacruel
Drapion
Gengar
Muk

It's well ballanced because it helps cover against poison's natural weaknesses, psychic and ground.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by okjoek

Name: Okjoek
Partner: Muk
Reason: I'm dissapointed that just about all of the poison type specialists to this date are ninjas, and from kanto for that matter (excluding Roxie, but I havn't fought her yet)
If I were a poison type specialist I would take on a different theme, possibly a scientist or medical doctor or maybe the head of a (nuclear?) Powerplant! I've got it!

The champion of a region being the rich son (kinda like steven) of a powerplant owner. Growing up, his fathers powerplant has brought in a lot of poison types to where he lives. He's made them as his friends and now he's the most powerful trainer in the world! If that were me my team would be:

Weezing
Venomoth
Tentacruel
Drapion
Gengar
Muk

It's well ballanced because it helps cover against poison's natural weaknesses, psychic and ground.

Hey dude, welcome to the club! Glad to see that Poison type lovers aren't such a dying breed. ♥ Hmm, that's actually a really interesting point you raised, I never considered the ninja thing. o.o I suppose Koga and Janine were related though so it kinda makes sense that they're both ninjas? Although if you think about in-game trainers, all the ones with Poison themed teams are either evil teams like Team Rocket, or, as you said, ninjas. It seems that Poison types aren't that well-liked in the Pokémon world then :( Although I honestly can't imagine many different trainer types that would suit a Poison type team, perhaps other than a Scientist. I'm not sure why a doctor would be using Poison types considering he's meant to heal people xD Anyway, what made you choose Muk as your partner? I was expecting Swalot from a Hoenn lover such as yourself. x] That's a great choice though; I utterly adore Muk ♥ And your team looks incredibly powerful and well thought out - Poison Pokémon are very diverse! :D

[arbok]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

Although if you think about in-game trainers, all the ones with Poison themed teams are either evil teams like Team Rocket, or, as you said, ninjas. It seems that Poison types aren't that well-liked in the Pokémon world then

Aren't that well liked? Can you think of any cooler trainer types than Ninjas or Team Rocket? I sure can't xD For me being so closely associated with Team Rocket just adds to the awesome.
Welcome Okjoek :D post often

Weezing
Venomoth
Tentacruel
Drapion
Gengar
Muk
Not bad but I'd get rid of either Weezing or Muk for Crobat. Get as many type varieties as possible, something poison is great at.

[okjoek]

Emerald was my first game, but I did grow up with the original 150 in the cartoon series. Plus when I was given an old copy of Fire Red last year I decided to play it since I had never played a Kanto centered game before. Koga's Muk gave me hell. I had to rematch once or twice to beat him. After looking up Muk on bulbapedia I was shocked to see Muk had such a good stat build. Extreemely bulky and physical attacker for the most part. I've never had that much luck with a swalot before though.

My movesets are:
Weezing-
Clear smog
Thunderbolt
Payback
Explosion

Venomoth (tinted lens)-
Quiver dance
Toxic
Bug buzz
Venoshock

Tentacruel-
Surf
Sludge wave
Toxic spikes
Barrier

Drapion-
Swords dance
Poison Jab
Crunch
Earthquake

Gengar-
Shadow ball
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Focus blast

Muk-
Gunk shot
Payback
Brick break
Rest

I actualy make a small slideshow on my youtube channel featuring this team to get it rated there, but I've gotten few replies. I also put a small tribute to poison types at the end of the video. I don't think I can post links however, but my channel name is "okjoek1".

[ToxicGame]

Poison Club YAY ! And the title of this thread has the word Toxic in it... it is a sign ! I want to join !

Name : ToxicGame
Partner : Ariados
Reason : It's my favorite type (as you can see from my username) and I'm currently doing the Ultimate Monotype Challenge with it... I think it's a must for a good strategy, some of the pokémon have a great design (Nidoran family, Spinarak family, Seviper and Arbok are among my favorites) and they can't be poisoned. What more can I ask ?

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by okjoek

Muk-
Gunk shot
Payback
Brick break
Rest

Interesting choice, but I prefer using Curse Muks or even Stalling Muks x] How does this set work out for you? I think Muk's an important Pokémon to take advantage of its bulk with tbh. :3

Originally Posted by ToxicGame

Poison Club YAY ! And the title of this thread has the word Toxic in it... it is a sign ! I want to join !

Name : ToxicGame
Partner : Ariados
Reason : It's my favorite type (as you can see from my username) and I'm currently doing the Ultimate Monotype Challenge with it... I think it's a must for a good strategy, some of the pokémon have a great design (Nidoran family, Spinarak family, Seviper and Arbok are among my favorites) and they can't be poisoned. What more can I ask ?

Hi there, welcome to the club! :D Omg I love the Spinarak family so much <3 Ariados is such a cool Pokémon! But what exactly do you love about it so much? c: The ability to never be poisoned is incredibly useful as Toxic is a horrid move to come up against if you're not prepared, so I have to agree with that being one of their best traits. :3 So what image do you think Poison types generally tend to have in Pokémon media? (ie good or evil?)

[arbok]

let us bring this club back up, shall we?
Consider how many Pokemon look, you're more likely to be able to tell how the Pokemon media will generally portray a pokemon based more on its appearance rather than its typing. Vileplume and Victreebel were built as counterparts (on the most basic level) they both have the same typing and act as version exclusive. Looking at them however guess which one is portrayed as 'evil'. Yeah it's not the feminine one with the smiley face it's the Venus-flytrap with the capping mouth and sharp teeth. Compare the big scary spider Ariados to fairly neutral Venomoth.
It's more that 'scary' pokemon tend to poison, dark or ghost type rather than the types themselves being portrayed one way as a whole.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by arbok

It's more that 'scary' pokemon tend to poison, dark or ghost type rather than the types themselves being portrayed one way as a whole.

I think that's mostly because there are very few poisonous creatures that aren't scary or evil looking. xD The only one I can think of is a poisonous toad (which is arguably quite ugly) which I'm surprised there hasn't been a Poison type made around yet. Perhaps Seismitoad comes close I don't know, but the kind of small, agile, poisonous tree frog I'm thinking of certainly hasn't been made yet. Do you guys think this'd be a good concept for a Poison Pokémon to be based on? o3o

[arbok]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

I think that's mostly because there are very few poisonous creatures that aren't scary or evil looking. xD The only one I can think of is a poisonous toad (which is arguably quite ugly) which I'm surprised there hasn't been a Poison type made around yet. Perhaps Seismitoad comes close I don't know, but the kind of small, agile, poisonous tree frog I'm thinking of certainly hasn't been made yet. Do you guys think this'd be a good concept for a Poison Pokémon to be based on? o3o

Well we've got Croagunk and Toxicroak for toad like poison types.
Hmm I find myself growing less able to think of new pokemon now. I could imagine them creating living smoke which may seem similar to Gastly. Surprised we haven't seen a bug/poison mosquito styled pokemon yet. Even maybe a giant bacteria blob thing (I mean we've got one based on a stomach!)

[Queen of Poison]

Name : Queen of Poison
Partner : Drapion
Reason : Because I love poison pokemon and always have a poison pokemon on my pokemon team. That if it is not an all poison team.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by arbok

Well we've got Croagunk and Toxicroak for toad like poison types.
Hmm I find myself growing less able to think of new pokemon now. I could imagine them creating living smoke which may seem similar to Gastly. Surprised we haven't seen a bug/poison mosquito styled pokemon yet. Even maybe a giant bacteria blob thing (I mean we've got one based on a stomach!)

... How did I forget about those two lmao. Okay never mind we do have poisonous toads I'm just being thick xD I think the mosquito idea is good though, that would look awesome o3o And certainly would be viable as a poison type. And tbh I wouldn't be all that surprised if the blob thing did happen; based on Grimer > Gulpin > Trubbish they're going to have a new one at some point so why not base it on that? xD I certainly think of anything else it'd be based on haha.

Originally Posted by Queen of Poison

Name : Queen of Poison
Partner : Drapion
Reason : Because I love poison pokemon and always have a poison pokemon on my pokemon team. That if it is not an all poison team.

HOMIKA AHHH I LOVE HOMIKA <333 *ahem*

Hi, welcome to the club! n.n What made you choose Drapion as your partner? c: I'm glad to see people passionate about Poison Pokémon, not enough people are nowadays D: What makes you like them so much though? It'd be great to know c: Hope to see you around here lots! n.n

Guys we need a new featured Pokémon! What shall it be? :3

[Queen of Poison]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

Hi, welcome to the club! n.n What made you choose Drapion as your partner? c: I'm glad to see people passionate about Poison Pokémon, not enough people are nowadays D: What makes you like them so much though? It'd be great to know c: Hope to see you around here lots! n.n

I love Drapion because it is a strong poison pokemon and it learns some awesome moves. I love poison pokemon because I like the design of most poison pokemon I love the colour purple and Sludge Bomb rocks.

[arbok]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

Guys we need a new featured Pokémon! What shall it be? :3

oh have Koffing. That smiley face always cheers me up :D

[Hikari10]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

Guys we need a new featured Pokémon! What shall it be? :3

I think Koffing as well, cos it's a favorite and I love that D.O.G.A.R.S. song in Black 2 & White 2.

Not to mention it's very smiley for a Poison Pokemon.

[Sector Revenge]

I understand Koffing, but Grimer smiles too! & Bulbasaur! :D

Since everyone says Koffing, I'm going with the most popular & annoying one, ZUBAT! Just look at how happy it is for a photo

[AlexOzzyCake]

Seems like Koffing is the winner, sorry Sector! I've updated the front page with what I thought was a cute picture, but if you guys want to change it then feel free to suggest some :D In light of this, let's talk about the Koffing family!

So as we all know, the Koffing family and Ekans family were somewhat rivals in the older generations, mainly influenced by Team Rocket's Pokémon, but now my question to you is: Which family do you prefer?

They're roughly similar in stats (Wheezing's a fair bit higher but that's mostly due to Defence :3) and their move pools are somewhat similar (with obvious physical/special differences), but their personalities and designs are incredibly different. So which is your favourite?

[Queen of Poison]

Which family do you prefer Koffing or Ekans?
I can't say I love them both but I will say Eknas/Arbok because there badass.
Also can my partner pokemon change to Muk please. I like that beautiful pile of sludge.

[AlexOzzyCake]

Originally Posted by Queen of Poison

Which family do you prefer Koffing or Ekans?
I can't say I love them both but I will say Eknas/Arbok because there badass.
Also can my partner pokemon change to Muk please. I like that beautiful pile of sludge.

Of course you can, I've changed it for you. :) Good choice by the way, Muk is a wonderful Pokémon! It's my second favourite, right behind it's pre-evolution Grimer. :D What made you choose Muk? c:

As for the topic, I prefer the Weezing family! Weezing is an utterly wonderful Pokémon both in design and usability. It's incredibly cute and looks simply amazing, plus the way it floats around like a huge derp face is adorable <3 Arbok looks amazing too don't get me wrong, but Weezing is certainly my favourite of the two. And when it comes to battling, Weezing wins again. It has higher stats (not hugely higher, but the big Defence boost is very useful) and I find its move pool a lot more interesting to play around with than Arbok's. They are both Pokémon I love using and I think they're both incredibly well designed/thought out, but Weezing is certainly my favourite of the pair.

[Queen of Poison]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

Of course you can, I've changed it for you. Good choice by the way, Muk is a wonderful Pokémon! It's my second favourite, right behind it's pre-evolution Grimer. :D What made you choose Muk? c:

I was watching the original pokemon episodes and seeing Ash's Muk made me love it even more. And what it does to Professor Oak is funny. Muk is my new fav pokemon.