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Old June 5th, 2012, 01:38 PM
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Would like to know if this good team for WiFi battles

Reuniclus Magic Guard
Nature: Quiet
Item: Expert Belt
Attacks: Trick Room, Psyshock, Focus Blast and Shadow Ball
192 HP / 64 Def / 252 SpA
0 Speed IV

Ferrothorn Iron Barbs
Nature: Relaxed
Item: Leftover
Attacks: Spikes, Stealth Rock, Gyro Ball or Thunder Wave and Power Whip
EV: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD

Conkeldurr Gut
Nature: Brave
Item: Flame Orb
Attacks: Drain Punch, Mach Punch, Payback and Facade
224 HP / 252 Atk / 32 SpD

Infernape Iron Fist
Nature: Jolly
Item: Life Orb
Attacks: Swords Dance, Fire Punch, Close Combat and Mach Punch
EV: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

Landorus Sand Force
Nature: Naive
Item: Choice Scarf
Attacks: Earthquake, Stone Edge, U-turn and Hidden Power Ice
EV: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

Metagross Iron Ball
Adamant
252 HP 68 Atk 188 SpD
Meteor Mash
Bullet Punch
Stealth Rock
Trick

Garchomp and Blaziken using when both are not banned from use:

Garchomp Dream World Ability (Got it willing to trade egg hatched, shiny RNG'ed)
Nature: Jolly
Item: Choice Scarf
Attacks: Dragon Claw , Outrage, Earthquake and Stone Edge
EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Blaziken Dream World Ability
Nature: Adamant
Item: Life Orb
Attacks: Swords Dance, Hi Jump Kick, Protect and Flare Blitz
EV: 4 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spe
Check the team let me know what you guys think. Anything missing or weakness to lookout?
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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:22 PM
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Gallade is too fast to use Trick Room. Reuniclus can set it up more easily due to having lower Speed; it also hits as hard as Gallade can (just on the Special end):
-Trick Room
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
Nature: Quiet
EVs: 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard

For Conkeldurr's EVs, use this spread: 224 HP/252 Atk/32 SDef.

Since Jolly reduces Garchomp's Special Attack, replace Fire Blast with Stone Edge. DW Garchomp isn't released yet.

DW Torchic hasn't been released in the US yet. Did you trade a Japanese version over?

For your last slot, use Haxorus. Gigalith has common weaknesses, Excadrill is better suited for Sandstorm teams and Gothitelle is just plain bad in standard play:
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Brick Break/Taunt/Dual Chop/Dragon Claw
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 36 HP/252 Atk/220 Spe
Item: Lum Berry/Life Orb
Ability: Mold Breaker
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:41 PM
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You need to have all Physical attacks on 'Chomp. Fire Blast is a nice move, just not on 'Chomp's base 80 Sp. attack stat. If you're opting for the Swords Dance set, use this. I'd also recommend Sand Veil over Rough Skin, as the extra evasion is more worthwhile than extra damage with Rough Skin.

Garchomp @ Life Orb
Jolly nature
Trait: Sand Veil
EV's: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed

Swords Dance
Dragon Claw (More reliable than Outrage, unless power is a concern)
Earthquake
Fire Fang (Physical option over Fire Blast)
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Old June 7th, 2012, 02:09 AM
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PlatinumDude:

Gallade: I know what your saying but to reduce speed I gived it 0 IV in spd and didn't ev train... Didn't find Magic Guard as his ability on the serebii or smogon?

Garchomp: Traded it may have been hacked Pokemon to breed egg because its egg hatched. Will consider making those changes m8... Might hold it back since it would be considered hacked

DW Torchic: Same as above its also egg hatched... Traded Pokemons to breed it meaning its english and RNG shiny...

Haxorus it is then thanks for the help m8...


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Will take your advice on new Garchomp, but staying with outrage dose really well for me.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 10:05 AM
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Make ur last pkmn haxorus, it will crush pretty much all of its weaknesses with the right moves. (haxorus also has 'hax' in it's name...)
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Old June 29th, 2012, 09:24 PM
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When you're battling on Wifi, your opponent will most likely be EV training all of their Pokemon and making their team the best it can be. That means you should do the same, too, and your Pokemon should all be EV trained. I'm assuming, since you didn't list the EVs, that your Gallade and Conkeldurr aren't EV trained, when they really should be.
For Conk, just use PlatinumDude's EVs and for Gallade just go with 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe if you want to remove TR.

Since you have Speed Boost Blaziken, which is a good Pokemon but not on a Trick Room team, you could remove Gallade's move Trick Room and replace it with something else. Although some of your Pokemon are slow, they can still be on a non TR team.

You have a flying weakness so which ever Pokemon you choose should cover that. Gothitelle can be fun to play with, as it can trap Flying types and just Thunderbolt them.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 11:22 AM
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I have made few changes to the team replaced Gallade with Reuniclus. For last member I took Braviary as my flying Pokemon. Did notice flying weakness Lapras* nice job pointing that one m8.

Will post my new Team Soon. And Yes I do EV train all my Pokemons. Dose help make team battle better.

Haxorus will go into my different team. Don't wann make Ice weakness too.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 09:40 PM
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Really great team. I'd use Gothitelle as the last since it's big n' bulky.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 12:37 PM
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I have updated my first post with my team current.

@Cam Meekins I took Braviary as its awesome with Choice Scarf. What you think of my Team now?
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Old July 4th, 2012, 01:51 PM
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Really great team. I'd use Gothitelle as the last since it's big n' bulky.
And sucks all kinda of ass and is outclassed by Reuniclus which he/she already has.

Garchomp and Blaziken are banned in standard play same with Excadrill so uh why the heck are we suggesting things like this ? =/ Landorus and Infernape can replace those in their respective roles quite easily.

Rest Talking is a horrible strategy these days. Rest mechanics being nerfed makes it unreliable, easy to set up on and frankly an archaic strategy. Regardless id drop Spiritomb since its dead weight and all it does is give things like justified Terrakion a free boost. Plus Conk already takes status so its uneeded, same with Briavery when you already have a scarfer.

Id look into replacing Braivery and Spiritimb for a solid defensive pairing that helps with weather. Heatran might be a good start and it also gets Stealth Rock which you lack and it also checks sun teams decently. Then get something that helps with rain teams and can take high powered water moves, something like Lati@s, Ferrothorn or something with Water Absorb or a really bulky water type.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 05:02 PM
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I have updated my first post with my team current.

@Cam Meekins I took Braviary as its awesome with Choice Scarf. What you think of my Team now?
Reuniclus should use a Quiet nature, since it has little use for its physical Attack.

You can also consider Defiant over Keen Eye over Braviary now that the former has been released in B2/W2; the latter ability is completely useless outside of the occasional Muddy Water.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 12:47 PM
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@Dark Azelf Based on what you said I could replace Braivery and Spiritimb. I seem to like the choice of Latios and Ferrothorn. Will see what I can come up with and will teach Ferrothorn Stealth Rock as it can learn it.

Conkeldurr with orb makes the process a lot quicker.

Overall good advice.

@PlatinumDude It is Quiet thats a error.

I have updated the list as Dark Azelf did make some good suggestions.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 04:08 PM
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On Latios, Thunder should only see use on Rain teams because of its Focus Blast level accuracy outside of rain or on Galvantula because of CompoundEyes raising its accuracy to acceptable levels. Hidden Power Fire should replace it (assuming that its HP type is Fire) because it's currently walled by Ferrothorn.

In B2/W2, supporting options should be left to Latias because of her better bulk. Latios should stick to all-out attacking:
-Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Recover/Psyshock
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Soul Dew

or
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Recover/Psyshock
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Soul Dew
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Old July 5th, 2012, 04:33 PM
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@PlatinumDude Not something anyone talked about, but would DW Gliscor with Tailwind do well in this Team? As Trick Room is already in there for slow Pokemon. But with Tailwind I could give Garchomp and Blaziken same boost.

In other word:
Ferrothorn sets up all the traps.
Reuniclus and Conkeldurr work together using Trick Room
Then what's left is down to Gliscor, Garchomp and Blaziken to finish as a team with Tailwind.

Then replace Gliscor to Latios with Soul Dew and Tailwind when B&W2 comes out. Might work out well this way.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 04:48 PM
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@PlatinumDude Not something anyone talked about, but would DW Gliscor with Tailwind do well in this Team? As Trick Room is already in there for slow Pokemon. But with Tailwind I could give Garchomp and Blaziken same boost.

In other word:
Ferrothorn sets up all the traps.
Reuniclus and Conkeldurr work together using Trick Room
Then what's left is down to Gliscor, Garchomp and Blaziken to finish as a team with Tailwind.

Then replace Gliscor to Latios with Soul Dew and Tailwind when B&W2 comes out. Might work out well this way.
Garchomp and Blaziken don't need Tailwind to function since the former is holding a Choice Scarf and the latter is already boosting its Speed with Speed Boost.

If you want to use Gliscor, use these sets:
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang/Facade
-Taunt/Protect/Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Toxic
-Earthquake
-Taunt/Ice Fang/Facade
-Protect/Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Substitute
-Earthquake
-Protect
-Taunt/Ice Fang/Facade
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
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Old July 5th, 2012, 04:56 PM
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I could go with this set as first turn Toxic Orb will do its job as I can boost with Swords Dance.

Swords Dance
Earthquake
Ice Fang: will cover Dragon types
Protect: support for low HP
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

With this it seem my Team is ready. Thx to everyone that helped.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 06:13 PM
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Garchomp and Blaziken are still banned, people will refuse to play against you as they are uber.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 04:01 AM
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Dark Azelf I took the two Pokemon you recommended before Landorus and Infernape for situations like those. Where Garchomp and Blaziken are banned from use, how that sound?

Now I seem better ready.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 02:12 PM
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Please bear in mind I consider Garchomp and Blaziken banned for this rate. I would also imagine Soul Dew and Lati@s banned, same as when Latias was allowed in DPP OU.

A well played Gengar could potentially wreck this team, especially if it is using a Life Orb, since it cleanly 2HKO's Gliscor, Conkeldurr with Shadow ball and OHKO's Ferrothorn with Focus Blast (without taking into account SpD drops), while dishing out massive damage to your sweepers. Landorus CAN KO with Stone Edge but I personally don't like relying on an 80% chance to deal with a threat - not to mention they can always switch out. Disable versions can deal with Landorus' Stone Edge if on a sub and Conkeldurr's Payback (though admittedly, you can Mach Punch and mess with the Disable).

To remedy this, I would like to suggest putting a defensive Metagross in place of Gliscor. You already have a Landorus so overlapping the types would add unneccessary weaknesses and Metagross is fairly bulky physically. Metagross also has access to Stealth Rock, which will make sweeping easier for Infernape and co.

Metagross@Leftovers/Occa Berry/Iron Ball
Adamant
252 HP 68 Atk 188 SpD
Meteor Mash
Bullet Punch/Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Hammer Arm/Trick

With the EV's Gengar will never 2HKO with Life Orb and 3HKO with Leftovers while Metagross cleanly 2HKO's with Bullet Punch and Meteor Mash. Metagross can also deal with Terrakion with STAB Bullet Punch and can pick off weakened foes whereas before you would have to rack up damage from Infernape or Conkeldurr to pick pokemon off, or be choice locked with Landorus.

You can use the good old Lefties for a bit of healing, Occa Berry and Hammer Arm to nail Heatran either on the switch or as a lure, or even Iron Ball and Trick to get Levitating Pokemon. Since the most common switch in to Metagross are Skarmory and Rotom-A, you can Trick them a Iron Ball and make them susceptible to Earthquake, making them easy pickings for Landorus. The Trick strategy could also be used for Gengar, who may attempt to Disable Bullet Punch, only to lose it's precious Leftovers.

A final note, since you're using Trick Room Reuniclus, make Conkeldurr Brave and have 0 Speed IV's. This ensures you go first while TR is up and guarantees Payback will hit last when it isn't. You have priority in Mach Punch so there is no need to fear premature sweep ends.

I hope my rate has been of some help to you.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 04:19 PM
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Yeah Soul Dew is banned on Lati@s, i have no idea why people are suggesting banned mons and items. =\

Take Plat dudes set though for Latios, Tail Wind is a gimmick wont work with Trick Room and also Protect and Psychic are essentially useless and outclassed moves on Latios.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 06:16 PM
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@Evisector Thx for all those pointers. I took Metagross Iron Ball and Conkeldurr Brave with 0 Speed IV's.

@Dark Azelf Took out Latios and replaced it with Metagross. Also took your advice to take Infernape and Landorus.

Garchomp and Blaziken are banned that I do know, thats the reason I got Infernape and Landorus to replace them.
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