Land vs Sea - The Team Aqua/Magma Fanclub

[EternallyAnna]

Originally Posted by Starsprite

Well with proper control over Groudon things shouldn't be quite so messy. Besides, it's not like getting Kyogre to flood everything is going to be any different. It'll wreck the habitats on the islands even for years after the water recedes. Salt water can do some serious damage.

You know, I don't think the people would enjoy living on experimental cities very much. People tend to not like to take risks.

When people see Magma uniforms they go, "Oh what trustworthy looking people. We should let them extend the land! :3" It's for a political reason that we dress like we do.

Ah, but Kyogre makes rain. Rain is freshwater and will expand ALL the waters. And by that time, coastal areas will have been evacuated and cities will be relocated. We could probably even flood in increments- one flood a year for several years will give the land a bit of recovery time and would be safer for all life.

Ah but once you get some volunteers- the adventurous sort, the Pokémon world is full of those- to prove it's good and safe, people will take a chance. The move will take some time, but will pay off once the majority of civilization is using the floating cities.

Or possibly 'man why are these young people dressing in such gaudy and impractical clothes?'

Originally Posted by Starsprite

How do you think the people in large cities like Slateport would like to live in Pacifidlog Town? I don't think they would, being so used to city life and what.

The can adapt. And who says city life would be given up for the floating cities? It's none too hard to capture the atmosphere and create a big city once the engineers have got the principles down.

[Starsprite]

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Ah, but Kyogre makes rain. Rain is freshwater and will expand ALL the waters. And by that time, coastal areas will have been evacuated and cities will be relocated. We could probably even flood in increments- one flood a year for several years will give the land a bit of recovery time and would be safer for all life.

Ah but once you get some volunteers- the adventurous sort, the Pokémon world is full of those- to prove it's good and safe, people will take a chance. The move will take some time, but will pay off once the majority of civilization is using the floating cities.

Or possibly 'man why are these young people dressing in such gaudy and impractical clothes?'

Kyogre also expands the seas using massive tidal waves. And besides, Groudon could just raise more land some amount feet a year. No harm done.

It certainly will take some time. It's going to take all the time for you to figure out how to transport enough goods and food all throughout the ocean to sustain as much life as there is right now.

And how is cosplaying as a pirate in the middle of Petalburg Woods practical?

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

The can adapt. And who says city life would be given up for the floating cities? It's none too hard to capture the atmosphere and create a big city once the engineers have got the principles down.

But will they want to? So now you're going to be forcing people to do what they don't want to?

[EternallyAnna]

Originally Posted by Starsprite

Kyogre also expands the seas using massive tidal waves. And besides, Groudon could just raise more land some amount feet a year. No harm done.

Nah that stuff comes from Groudon shaking the earth apart and messing with the crust plates. Tidal waves don't increase water, the just displace it. And but you can't do minimal expansion with Groudon- a volcano blows or it doesn't and once it does it's uh rather hard to stop. It's a massive event. Whereas rains are common and happen anyway, the floods will just be a bit more.

Originally Posted by Starsprite

It certainly will take some time. It's going to take all the time for you to figure out how to transport enough goods and food all throughout the ocean to sustain as much life as there is right now.

And how is cosplaying as a pirate in the middle of Petalburg Woods practical?

Hey we don't have to transport too much in the way of food- we can have greenhouses on the city-ships and trawl for fish as well. Easy once you get it going!

Pirates we may be, but we are cool, comfortable and covered. Best thing for a hot, buggy forest!

Originally Posted by Starsprite

But will they want to? So now you're going to be forcing people to do what they don't want to?

Yep, because we will create cities which offer a good quality of life and amazing bounty. Those who don't move will likely be flooded, but that is their own stubborn fault. If you knew chances were that your entire city would be flooded a bit more every year and eventually submerged, would you not move? The instinct for survival tends to be stronger than stubborn pride. But it's entirely their choice.

[Starsprite]

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Nah that stuff comes from Groudon shaking the earth apart and messing with the crust plates. Tidal waves don't increase water, the just displace it. And but you can't do minimal expansion with Groudon- a volcano blows or it doesn't and once it does it's uh rather hard to stop. It's a massive event. Whereas rains are common and happen anyway, the floods will just be a bit more.

Actually, here's what the Pokedex says about Groudon,

"Groudon has long been described in mythology as the Pokémon that raised lands and expanded continents. This Pokémon took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle with Kyogre."

That said, in worst case scenario we could evacuate the areas of volcanic activities, an, like you plan, wait some number of years.

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Hey we don't have to transport too much in the way of food- we can have greenhouses on the city-ships and trawl for fish as well. Easy once you get it going!

Pirates we may be, but we are cool, comfortable and covered. Best thing for a hot, buggy forest!

You would have to have strict weight regulations, and someone to check very far down on whatever supports are holding you up. With as many people and facilities as you mentioned there's no way your city will float. It might be able to be suspended over the water, but you'd have to be close to some form of land for the water not to be too deep to build supports down to the floor.

I don't consider short-sleeved midriffs very covering. Team Magma is more covered than Aqua.

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Yep, because we will create cities which offer a good quality of life and amazing bounty. Those who don't move will likely be flooded, but that is their own stubborn fault. If you knew chances were that your entire city would be flooded a bit more every year and eventually submerged, would you not move? The instinct for survival tends to be stronger than stubborn pride. But it's entirely their choice.

See, we're not attempting to take them away from what they know. It's easier that way, if their lives get to remain the same, or at least similar, to how they are on land already.

[EternallyAnna]

Originally Posted by Starsprite

Actually, here's what the Pokedex says about Groudon,

"Groudon has long been described in mythology as the Pokémon that raised lands and expanded continents. This Pokémon took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle with Kyogre."

That said, in worst case scenario we could evacuate the areas of volcanic activities, an, like you plan, wait some number of years.

Yes, but how does he raise the land? He wrenches the earth's crust apart and releases lava what cools to form land. It's a bit explosive event. And it's be quite difficult to predict the path of lava, the area of earthquake effects, new fault lines opening up... you'd have to evacuate the entire land and put them out to sea. On, say, floating cities.

Originally Posted by Starsprite

You would have to have strict weight regulations, and someone to check very far down on whatever supports are holding you up. With as many people and facilities as you mentioned there's no way your city will float. It might be able to be suspended over the water, but you'd have to be close to some form of land for the water not to be too deep to build supports down to the floor.

I don't consider short-sleeved midriffs very covering. Team Magma is more covered than Aqua.

Considering the technology inherent in things like Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, I've no doubt that we can easily expand upon such things. And it doesn't have to be one ship- we can have a convoy and escorts and suburbs that tether to the main grouping for most of the time.

Bare midriffs are better than bare thighs. Y'all are gonna have bugs crawling up your skirts.

Originally Posted by Starsprite

See, we're not attempting to take them away from what they know. It's easier that way, if their lives get to remain the same, or at least similar, to how they are on land already.

Ah but you are. There are many people who live coastal and water-based lives, and you'd be taking them away from that for many years while you expanded your land. And they'd never get back what they had. There will be resistance no matter what you do.

[Starsprite]

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Yes, but how does he raise the land? He wrenches the earth's crust apart and releases lava what cools to form land. It's a bit explosive event. And it's be quite difficult to predict the path of lava, the area of earthquake effects, new fault lines opening up... you'd have to evacuate the entire land and put them out to sea. On, say, floating cities.

Ah, but not necessarily. If you started in a remote area, like the middle of the ocean, we really wouldn't be disturbing anyone. Rather, we could make islands that people could live on after they formed correctly.

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Considering the technology inherent in things like Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, I've no doubt that we can easily expand upon such things. And it doesn't have to be one ship- we can have a convoy and escorts and suburbs that tether to the main grouping for most of the time.

Bare midriffs are better than bare thighs. Y'all are gonna have bugs crawling up your skirts.

I imagine it would take years to convert an aircraft carrier into anything resembling a city. They're usually cramped, and they don't even let certain people on them due to height and weight regulations.

Your pants are loose enough that so will you. xP

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

Ah but you are. There are many people who live coastal and water-based lives, and you'd be taking them away from that for many years while you expanded your land. And they'd never get back what they had. There will be resistance no matter what you do.

But by creating more land you would only be creating more miles of beach, instead of reducing it. But what you said is true, bot of our plans will have resistance. All change is resisted at first.

[EternallyAnna]

You'd still have to evacuate coastal areas due to severe risk of tidal wave activity etc.

Speaking of loose, how is that cape/shawl/hood thing staying on? Not well I would imagine.

OKAY we seem to be at the point of exhaustion for these arguments. At least, I'm not doing well at thinking up more. That was fun. :>

So hey Magma, what are you going to be attempting to do in the [inevitable I swear] RSEmakes?

[Starsprite]

I was afraid I was going to have to concede defeat actually, so I'm glad you called that to an end. Fabulous debate though. We need more members. This is so much fun they don't even know what they're missing. xD

Very carefully. *shot*

Well I imagine that in one of the games we will be kind, altruistic souls, fighting for the greater good. What about you, Aqua?

(You just can't get rid of me. Tell me if I'm posting too much, okay? xD)

[EternallyAnna]

Oh I know! We need to recruit somehow.

Probably much the same. I wonder what new things we can come up with to stop your intrusion, Magma? Or will you be on the quiet while we do our thing?

(Oh no such thing as too much! It's just that we totes need more people. xD;)

[Starsprite]

How would we do that? Lots of advertising? Or maybe we should internet-kidnap people and bring them here. I'm thinking maybe mind control~

Now why would we be quiet and let you have your way, Aqua? It's you we need to be worried about here.

(But how would we get more people? You'd think surely someone other than Ozzy and me would have joined by now. xD)

[EternallyAnna]

Go poke some Hoenn fans or something I dunno. People are very resistant to adverts by now.

Because we have things to do, oh yes. It's not just Kyogre this time. You'll see!

(You'd.. think. Man I hope we get more though because until we do we can't do much for like... contests and things I don't think.)

[Starsprite]

I'm not sure I know too many Hoenn fans. I'll try and see if I can convince anyone to join though, just through conversation, because advertising really isn't the best idea, I agree.

Oh I'm sure we will see. And then we'll try to stop you, of course.

(Yeah, four members isn't much for any kind of event. I guess people just don't like the Hoenn villains quite as much as the others? This club has such a nice concept though.)

[EternallyAnna]

The thing about this is that it's like... the Hoenn teams don't have any new information forthcoming. It's been what, seven years since Emerald? About the same length since they last showed up in the anime, too. It's hard to keep things active or keep an interest when there's nothing going on. But! We can try. And also have fun.

So what are you hoping to see for your team in the RSEmakes, then? Like better/more varied Pokémon, more hideouts, etc.

[AlexOzzyCake]

I'm hoping that Team Aqua get some more Pokémon! Don't get me wrong, I do love the four families they use now, but I really think they could've picked some stronger Pokémon to use. Introduce things like Wailord, Octillery, Wishcash, Kingdra, Lanturn, Kingler, etc, basically any Water types, and they'll be much stronger. I think that partly the reason they have the Pokémon that they do now is that those Pokémon are supposed to resemble evil, but I don't think this is the image that Aqua/Magma should have. They aren't evil; they're doing what they're doing because they think it'll improve the world. They're actively trying to help people rather than hinder them, so I don't understand why they only use evil-associated Pokémon. With teams like the Rockets, it's obvious that they should be using these Pokémon because they're trying to take over the world, not improve it. But I don't think Aqua/Magma should appear as evil like that.

I'd also love to see the leaders catch Kyogre/Groudon and fight with them; that'd be amazing to watch.

[Starsprite]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

They aren't evil; they're doing what they're doing because they think it'll improve the world. They're actively trying to help people rather than hinder them, so I don't understand why they only use evil-associated Pokémon. With teams like the Rockets, it's obvious that they should be using these Pokémon because they're trying to take over the world, not improve it. But I don't think Aqua/Magma should appear as evil like that.

At first I was going to argue that while they think they're doing good, they're also causing a lot of problems for other people in the process, but I actually see what you're trying to say. Why would a team that thinks it's doing good only use Pokemon that are supposed to be 'evil'?

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

So what are you hoping to see for your team in the RSEmakes, then? Like better/more varied Pokémon, more hideouts, etc.

Well there are a lot of new Pokemon out there now, and so I'd have not objections if the Hoenn Dex was expanded a bit. There just aren't a whole lot of fire alternatives for Magma. Maybe they could use ground or rock types?

I also would love to see them (or any team for that matter) have more involvement in the storyline, or at least more well tied together involvement.

[okjoek]

Username:Okjoek
Team: Magma
Partner Pokémon:Zubat
Anything Else: It is most logical to raise landmass from the sea because the sea is undesirable salt water, which when replaced by land gives room for fresh water that people can use and space for people to exist, expand to and explore! If I were actualy in a real team magma organization I'd love to be an admin like tabitha and courtney, but I'd prefer to be more of a scientist theme to look for more efficient ways of creating land because not all water is bad. Team magma's previous actions threatened much more than plain sea water. In a role playing sence my team would consist of:

Torkoal- A villain needs a good pokemon that can produce smokescreen for distraction.
-Fire blast
-Stone edge
-Gyro ball
-Amnesia

Eelektross- If your role playing as a technical member, then you never know when you'll need a good sourse of electricity!
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower
-Dragon tail
-Toxic

Excadrill- A ground type is a must if you're in team magma. A living drill is always handy too!
-Sandstorm
-Earthquake
-X-scizzor
-Rock slide

[EternallyAnna]

Originally Posted by AlexOzzyCake

I'm hoping that Team Aqua get some more Pokémon! Don't get me wrong, I do love the four families they use now, but I really think they could've picked some stronger Pokémon to use. Introduce things like Wailord, Octillery, Wishcash, Kingdra, Lanturn, Kingler, etc, basically any Water types, and they'll be much stronger. I think that partly the reason they have the Pokémon that they do now is that those Pokémon are supposed to resemble evil, but I don't think this is the image that Aqua/Magma should have. They aren't evil; they're doing what they're doing because they think it'll improve the world. They're actively trying to help people rather than hinder them, so I don't understand why they only use evil-associated Pokémon. With teams like the Rockets, it's obvious that they should be using these Pokémon because they're trying to take over the world, not improve it. But I don't think Aqua/Magma should appear as evil like that.

I'd also love to see the leaders catch Kyogre/Groudon and fight with them; that'd be amazing to watch.

Completely agreeing here. There's such a variety of 'mon they could be using that are just neglected for no good reason! Even setting aside Aqua's general image, it would just make things so much more fun if there were a bunch of different Pokémon being used~

Alos yes big epic legendary battle would be uh... epic. Oops ran out of words. :x

Originally Posted by Starsprite

Well there are a lot of new Pokemon out there now, and so I'd have not objections if the Hoenn Dex was expanded a bit. There just aren't a whole lot of fire alternatives for Magma. Maybe they could use ground or rock types?

I also would love to see them (or any team for that matter) have more involvement in the storyline, or at least more well tied together involvement.

You know when I was younger I always thought it was kind of unfair on Magma to be using Fire when there's actually not that many different kinds of 'mon with that type. But then I added in Rock and Ground and it became a bit more sensible. But still, the Pokémon chosen to represent Magma are as limited as those pertaining to Aqua. Y'all really need to expand your range.

Originally Posted by okjoek

Anything Else: It is most logical to raise landmass from the sea because the sea is undesirable salt water, which when replaced by land gives room for fresh water that people can use and space for people to exist, expand to and explore! If I were actualy in a real team magma organization I'd love to be an admin like tabitha and courtney, but I'd prefer to be more of a scientist theme to look for more efficient ways of creating land because not all water is bad. Team magma's previous actions threatened much more than plain sea water. In a role playing sence my team would consist of:

Torkoal- A villain needs a good pokemon that can produce smokescreen for distraction.
-Fire blast
-Stone edge
-Gyro ball
-Amnesia

Eelektross- If your role playing as a technical member, then you never know when you'll need a good sourse of electricity!
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower
-Dragon tail
-Toxic

Excadrill- A ground type is a must if you're in team magma. A living drill is always handy too!
-Sandstorm
-Earthquake
-X-scizzor
-Rock slide

Heyy welcome back bro

but I'm not sure you'd be able to get away with Eelektross. It's pure electric; with the significance of the Aqua/Magma split being down to typing I don't think that'd be very good in those terms. Augh I've lost my vocabulary today terribly sorry I hope you understand what I'm getting at haha. Maybe Stunfisk for y'all and Lanturn for us over at Aqua?

[okjoek]

Oh, it doesn't matter, just love creating hypothetical situations when it comes to pokemon teams. Anyway, I was watching this show one time I think it was called "How do they do it" or something like that. Anyway what it showed was that in Singapore they take all the trash which created electricity for a city and what they did with the ashes was even more awesome. Get this,

They would barrier off a certain area of the coastline and fill the boxes in with the ashes which makes new land! Therefore Singapore would be a wonderful place to recruit for team magma =P.

[Starsprite]

Originally Posted by EternallyAnna

You know when I was younger I always thought it was kind of unfair on Magma to be using Fire when there's actually not that many different kinds of 'mon with that type. But then I added in Rock and Ground and it became a bit more sensible. But still, the Pokémon chosen to represent Magma are as limited as those pertaining to Aqua. Y'all really need to expand your range.

I just looked back over the Hoenn Pokedex, and there are a ton of Pokemon that could have suited either team (Well, mostly Aqua) that weren't used. I guess it was an issue of uniformity, perhaps? Maybe a justification for it would be that the two teams have strict guidelines for what Pokemon may and may not be used. Just theorizing here, of course.

Originally Posted by okjoek

Anyway what it showed was that in Singapore they take all the trash which created electricity for a city and what they did with the ashes was even more awesome. Get this,

They would barrier off a certain area of the coastline and fill the boxes in with the ashes which makes new land! Therefore Singapore would be a wonderful place to recruit for team magma =P.

That's pretty interesting, actually. Though I'd have to say, as a general rule, assuming that the general population actually cares, that any overpopulated country or country that seeks expansion might be a good place to recruit. This is assuming anyone cares, because there are a lot of people who won't have a second thought about things like the environment for as long as they live.

Those people obviously aren't going to be joining a team that is well...environment oriented, I guess.

[Mentalii]

Great, I was waiting for such a club <3

Username: Mentalii
Team: Aqua
Partner Pokémon: Carvanha
Anything Else: Water types have always been my favourite Pokémons.So, if I entered a team, I'd obviously choose the awesome Team Aqua. Maybe that a Earth covered with water only water sounds a little excessive to my mind but it'd be still better than if it was covered with land only. A land-only world would be really annoying, and we couldn't survive anyway... Then, I love Team Aqua's uniforms :3

[EternallyAnna]

Originally Posted by okjoek

Oh, it doesn't matter, just love creating hypothetical situations when it comes to pokemon teams. Anyway, I was watching this show one time I think it was called "How do they do it" or something like that. Anyway what it showed was that in Singapore they take all the trash which created electricity for a city and what they did with the ashes was even more awesome. Get this,

They would barrier off a certain area of the coastline and fill the boxes in with the ashes which makes new land! Therefore Singapore would be a wonderful place to recruit for team magma =P.

Oh man that is pretty cool. Although I do worry a bit about what that may be doing to the ecosystems already present along the shore there.

Originally Posted by Starsprite

I just looked back over the Hoenn Pokedex, and there are a ton of Pokemon that could have suited either team (Well, mostly Aqua) that weren't used. I guess it was an issue of uniformity, perhaps? Maybe a justification for it would be that the two teams have strict guidelines for what Pokemon may and may not be used. Just theorizing here, of course.

Could be, but that does make me wonder why those kind of strict guidelines would exist.

Originally Posted by Mentalii

Great, I was waiting for such a club <3

Username: Mentalii
Team: Aqua
Partner Pokémon: Carvanha
Anything Else: Water types have always been my favourite Pokémons.So, if I entered a team, I'd obviously choose the awesome Team Aqua. Maybe that a Earth covered with water only water sounds a little excessive to my mind but it'd be still better than if it was covered with land only. A land-only world would be really annoying, and we couldn't survive anyway... Then, I love Team Aqua's uniforms :3

Heyy welcome Mentalii~ With you joining Aqua and Magma are equal in terms of members once again. :D

[Starsprite]

Well, just to theorize again, I'd say the guideline would be that certain level grunts could only have certain Pokemon like Carvanha or Slugma. Maybe the Pokemon evolving could even be a way to go up in the ranks.

Even the admins have limited Pokemon, though, which makes me wonder why they would limit themselves so much. (other than because the developers said so. xP) You'd think at least Maxie and Archie would have a larger array of Pokemon, if not simply to show off that they're team leaders.

I mean, there were Gravelers and Torkoals all over the Magma Base, which made me wonder why none of the members actually owned any.

[EternallyAnna]

oh man guys I'm sorry I kind of suck ;__;

Originally Posted by Starsprite

Well, just to theorize again, I'd say the guideline would be that certain level grunts could only have certain Pokemon like Carvanha or Slugma. Maybe the Pokemon evolving could even be a way to go up in the ranks.

Even the admins have limited Pokemon, though, which makes me wonder why they would limit themselves so much. (other than because the developers said so. xP) You'd think at least Maxie and Archie would have a larger array of Pokemon, if not simply to show off that they're team leaders.

I mean, there were Gravelers and Torkoals all over the Magma Base, which made me wonder why none of the members actually owned any.

I was kind of thinking along similar lines- that the grunts have a few standard 'mon so it's easier to train them similarly, since they're a bit like an army. But even an army has a wide variety of soldier types and things I think, so they should have more of a variety within the ranks. Maybe one grunt is a defensive sort of battler and another is an offensive sort and they could team up against people?

[Seraphimon-sama]

Username: Seraphimon-sama
Team: Magma
Partner Pokémon: Numel
Anything Else: I love Fire-Types and some Ground-Types, plus I prefer Groudon to Kyogre.

[Olli97]

Club is being closed due to passing one month of inactivity.

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