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Old July 17th, 2012 (10:29 PM).
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Garchomp Choice Scarf
Sand Veil
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Careful
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast

Excadrill Choice Band
Sand Rush
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Bashful
Earthquake
Rock Slide
X-Scissor
Return


Ludicolo Life Orb
Swift Swim
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Energy Ball
Focus Blast

Gigalith
Sturdy
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Quirky
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Explosion
Stealth Rock

Gallade
Steadfast
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Serious
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
Leaf Blade
Stone Edge

Forretress
Sturdy
252 Def / 252 Spd / 4 Atk
Serious
Explosion
Spikes
Toxic Spikes
Gyro Ball
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Old July 18th, 2012 (04:31 AM).
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As much as I hate to say it, you're going to have to do some re-breeding on some of your Pokemon, particularly Garchomp. Under normal circumstances, its nature should be Jolly. A Careful nature isn't good on it because it's more of a "defensive" nature, and Garchomp is more tailored towards sweeping than defending/supporting. When Black 2/White 2 come, you can teach Garchomp Outrage; this should go over Fire Blast.

Excadrill appreciates the freedom of switching moves to hit opponents hard with the appropriate move, considering that Choice Band leaves it locked into a single move as long as it's in battle. Use and Air Balloon as the item for a temporary immunity to Earthquake. Also, use an Adamant nature; Bashful does absolutely nothing on a Pokemon's stats.

Gigalith is terrible in OU because of its somewhat widespread weaknesses and shallow move pool. Tyranitar should be in there instead because it sets up Sandstorm and has a much better move pool:
-Stealth Rock
-Crunch
-Fire Blast
-Ice Beam/Superpower/Stone Edge
Nature: Sassy/Hasty
EVs: 252 HP/64 SAtk/192 SDef (Sassy) or 56 Atk/252 SAtk/200 Spe (Tyranitar)
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream

What exactly is Ludicolo doing on the team? Virizion is a better alternative because of its ability to help with bulky Waters:
-Calm Mind
-Giga Drain
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Leaf Blade
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 104 Atk/152 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Taunt
-Giga Drain/Close Combat
Nature: Timid/Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay


Gallade should use an Adamant or Jolly nature to take advantage of its high Attack or decent Speed. Replace Leaf Blade with Night Slash or Trick (latter comes as a B2/W2 move tutor). Give it Expert Belt or Life Orb

On Forretress, just so you know, Gyro Ball gets stronger the slower you are than the opponent and adding in Speed EVs makes it weaker. Using a 0 Speed IV (or something close to it) with no Speed EVs makes Gyro Ball very strong. Make the EV spread 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef for more bulk. Explosion got nerfed in the generation shift (it no longer halves Defense before it hits). Rapid Spin is the primary option in the last slot to get rid of opposing entry hazards.
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Old July 18th, 2012 (10:22 AM).
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Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
As much as I hate to say it, you're going to have to do some re-breeding on some of your Pokemon, particularly Garchomp. Under normal circumstances, its nature should be Jolly. A Careful nature isn't good on it because it's more of a "defensive" nature, and Garchomp is more tailored towards sweeping than defending/supporting. When Black 2/White 2 come, you can teach Garchomp Outrage; this should go over Fire Blast.

Excadrill appreciates the freedom of switching moves to hit opponents hard with the appropriate move, considering that Choice Band leaves it locked into a single move as long as it's in battle. Use and Air Balloon as the item for a temporary immunity to Earthquake. Also, use an Adamant nature; Bashful does absolutely nothing on a Pokemon's stats.

Gigalith is terrible in OU because of its somewhat widespread weaknesses and shallow move pool. Tyranitar should be in there instead because it sets up Sandstorm and has a much better move pool:
-Stealth Rock
-Crunch
-Fire Blast
-Ice Beam/Superpower/Stone Edge
Nature: Sassy/Hasty
EVs: 252 HP/64 SAtk/192 SDef (Sassy) or 56 Atk/252 SAtk/200 Spe (Tyranitar)
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream

What exactly is Ludicolo doing on the team? Virizion is a better alternative because of its ability to help with bulky Waters:
-Calm Mind
-Giga Drain
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Leaf Blade
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 104 Atk/152 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Taunt
-Giga Drain/Close Combat
Nature: Timid/Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay


Gallade should use an Adamant or Jolly nature to take advantage of its high Attack or decent Speed. Replace Leaf Blade with Night Slash or Trick (latter comes as a B2/W2 move tutor). Give it Expert Belt or Life Orb

On Forretress, just so you know, Gyro Ball gets stronger the slower you are than the opponent and adding in Speed EVs makes it weaker. Using a 0 Speed IV (or something close to it) with no Speed EVs makes Gyro Ball very strong. Make the EV spread 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef for more bulk. Explosion got nerfed in the generation shift (it no longer halves Defense before it hits). Rapid Spin is the primary option in the last slot to get rid of opposing entry hazards.
Ok thanks for the feedback, and also the only reason I have gigalith is because if stealth rock but because tyranitar can learn it I will happily get it, and does tyranitar learn it by level up or do I have to get it by tm in gen 4? Plus, I want speed in my forretress because I want it to attac first because of spikes and toxic spikes so ill replace gyro ball with rapid spin because I didn't even know what attack I was going to use I couldn't think of one.
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Old July 18th, 2012 (05:09 PM).
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Quote originally posted by munchhack:
Plus, I want speed in my forretress because I want it to attac first because of spikes and toxic spikes so ill replace gyro ball with rapid spin because I didn't even know what attack I was going to use I couldn't think of one.
Forretress is a wall/utility mon, it doesn't need speed. If you want fast Spikes you're most certainly using the wrong pokemon for that job. Without an attack move its set up fodder. Even Toxic would suffice as it actually covers spin blockers. Really though Forretress isnt very good its set up fodder, cant hurt ghosts (they'll be coming in to block your rapid spin) and lack of recovery hurts it as it struggles to set up on MANY things, as a Spiking steel its rather outclassed by Skarm and Ferrothorn and as spinner by Excadrill, so id just replace it for a better Spiker and leave spinning to something elsewhich brings me onto my next point.

Garchomp and Excadrill are also banned. Really again people miss this when rating teams ? Its kinda annoying now lol. =\ Landorus and Sand Rush Sandslash (can spin better than forry if you went down that route)/Stoutland are viable replacements respectively. Landorus also benefits from PlatDudes T-Tar (use Sp.Def Tar though since nothing can Take Draco Meteors) suggestion cos of the sand.

Landorus@ Choice Scarf
252 Atk / 4 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed
Naive Nature
Trait: Sand Rush
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-Turn

Sandslash @ Leftovers / Life Orb / Passho Berry
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Jolly / Adamant Nature
Trait: Sand Rush
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rapid Spin / X-Scissor / Return

Or

Sandslash @ Choice Band
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Jolly / Adamant Nature
Trait: Sand Rush
- X-Scissor
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Return / Rapid Spin

As for Stoutland

Stoutland @ Choice Band
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait: Sand Rush
- Return
- SuperPower
- Wild Charge
- Crunch


Hope this helps good luck with the team.
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Old July 19th, 2012 (04:39 AM).
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Oh my; how could I forget that Excadrill and Garchomp are banned in standard play? But this is Random Matchup; anything could happen I guess.

If you want to stick to Forretress, go with the EV spread I mentioned earlier. As I already mentioned, adding Speed EVs on Forretress makes Gyro Ball weaker. To further elaborate why the spread I mentioned is better, Forretress has the defenses and typing to take hits while it sets up its hazards. Use both Rapid Spin and Gyro Ball together just so Forretress isn't just a "set up entry hazards, spin opposing hazards away then die" kind of Pokemon. But yeah, a different Spiker like Ferrothorn would be a better idea over it, considering that Dark_Azelf already suggested Sandslash as a Rapid Spinner:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
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Old July 19th, 2012 (01:28 PM).
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Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
Oh my; how could I forget that Excadrill and Garchomp are banned in standard play? But this is Random Matchup; anything could happen I guess.

If you want to stick to Forretress, go with the EV spread I mentioned earlier. As I already mentioned, adding Speed EVs on Forretress makes Gyro Ball weaker. To further elaborate why the spread I mentioned is better, Forretress has the defenses and typing to take hits while it sets up its hazards. Use both Rapid Spin and Gyro Ball together just so Forretress isn't just a "set up entry hazards, spin opposing hazards away then die" kind of Pokemon. But yeah, a different Spiker like Ferrothorn would be a better idea over it, considering that Dark_Azelf already suggested Sandslash as a Rapid Spinner:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
Ok so I'll take out Excadrill and Garchomp cause either way I don't want to do Random Match up anymore because it is a 3 on 3 battle and I wanted all 6 of my Pokemon so that was a fail xD
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