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Old July 20th, 2012, 09:46 AM
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I think Womba is reffering to Origin cave being filled with Lava in Ruby and Water in Sapphire in the room you capture the respective legend.
As for Kyurem stopping the battle...points to Xander's post. Giratina showing up between it's trio member is more similar to RSE than what happened in B2W2 and even than the event and cause was different...
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Old July 20th, 2012, 02:42 PM
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I think Womba is reffering to Origin cave being filled with Lava in Ruby and Water in Sapphire in the room you capture the respective legend.
Exactly, and not only Origin Cave, but also Seafloor Cavern.

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And what? When did Kyurem stop the fight between Zekrom and Reshiram? I never saw that happen.
I didn't see that either because it's not what I said lol. I said that the way how two conflicted leaders (N and Ghetsis) caused the fight between two legendaries (Zekrom or Reshiram vs Kyurem) is similar how Archie and Maxie caused Kyogre vs Groudon fight. And then, fight is stopped by fusion (Black or White Kyurem's appearance), kinda like by Rayquaza's appearance.
I think those events are similar to each other (not literally, but schemes are similar) and different from what happened with Creation Trio in Platinum because Dialga and Palkia don't even fight with each other and there is also only one team leader Cyrus, not two leaders like in Emerald or B2/W2.
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Uh.....Did you even play Ruby/Sapphire? Maxie and Archie did not start a conflict between their legends. The Legends hated each other and started fighting on their own. Magma and Aqua had nothing to do with them fighting.

N vs Ghetsis was a simple Pokemon battle between one of the Old Legends under N's Control and the Third Legend Kyurem. That still isn't any where NEAR being similar. N wasn't even said to be the leader of the Old Team Plasma, he's basically a more helpful Red in the new games. Only reason we associate him with Plasma because he was with Plasma. Also Ghetsis WANTED to absorb the Dragon N was carrying so they didn't stop a conflict between two legend. N lost the battle against Ghetsis and had his dragon stolen. The fight wasn't resolved by a Third Legend, but incited by the third.

The events on B2W2 are not similar to the events of R/S/E. There is still only 1 Evil team in B2W2 not 2 evil teams.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:23 PM
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Since B2W2 had 3DS apps/games associated with them perhaps the remakes could further dive into the uses of the 3Ds, perhaps it'll be the first 3Ds game though it'll be strange seeing how so far no generation has changed devices at the end but than again this generation hasn't been so predictable.
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Something I though of, that could be totally wrong and probabally sounds REALLY stupid, but maybe possibly, they could release RS remakes as the first games on the 3DS, and maybe put placeholder spots for the 6th generation Pokemon in the data ready to be downloaded when the 6th generation games come out, and when they do, they can do some type of DLC type thing so you can "Update" the games and be able to have 6th gen Pokemon, attacks and abilities? Sounds stupid and unrealistic, I know but hey, it might be possible. I don't know how the whole system works.
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Not stupid, but it won't be something we'd see most likely due to an issue with that kinda data creating. If the remakes are made with Gen 6 in mind, then all the Gen 6 sprites, abilities, items, and attacks would be preloaded into the remakes. Cartridge games are very finicky with injecting new code into them and corrode very easily when you do, which is why over use of Action Replays and Game Sharks ruined most of the older games.

If the Remakes tie into 6th Gen they'd be released after 6th Gen. Still possible to get them on the 3DS before 6th Gen just not with the ability to update it when they come out.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 04:29 PM
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If the Remakes tie into 6th Gen they'd be released after 6th Gen. Still possible to get them on the 3DS before 6th Gen just not with the ability to update it when they come out.
That's true, if it's not 2013 then Gen 6 will come first which will last for about 2 years after 2014 so we're looking around 2015/16 before we hear about RS remakes which will then lead people to start talking about DPPT remakes considering it will be their 10 year anniversary but that's kinda taking a step ahead.
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Something I though of, that could be totally wrong and probabally sounds REALLY stupid, but maybe possibly, they could release RS remakes as the first games on the 3DS, and maybe put placeholder spots for the 6th generation Pokemon in the data ready to be downloaded when the 6th generation games come out, and when they do, they can do some type of DLC type thing so you can "Update" the games and be able to have 6th gen Pokemon, attacks and abilities? Sounds stupid and unrealistic, I know but hey, it might be possible. I don't know how the whole system works.
Not sure how much different 3DS is, but that is likely impossible. The games and their data is still on a read only memory, with the only actually alterable part being the save file, which surely isnt big enough to hold data for hundreds of added pokemon, and can go derp at times and delete stuff.

If they did go that route,
which could actually be an intelligent move since they could focus on figuring out the 3DS with that and use it professionally for the actual new games later,
but they would simply make it a one way trade like we have seen in the past.

I still seriously disagree that plain remakes would be a good move, especially at this weird moment between handhelds.
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I want An S/R/E remake but havent seen one sof ar .. i miss the battle frontier =(
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I would say an RS remake is most likely inevitable, sooner or later graphics are going to be far more advanced than they currently are so to keep Hoenn in the current graphics would just be too dated which would kinda give them no choice. That's just basing it off the graphics side of things however, I mean heck even now they're already way ahead of what they were back then.
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I would say an RS remake is most likely inevitable, sooner or later graphics are going to be far more advanced than they currently are so to keep Hoenn in the current graphics would just be too dated which would kinda give them no choice. That's just basing it off the graphics side of things however, I mean heck even now they're already way ahead of what they were back then.
But again, for the sake of graphics, is equally as good of a reason as for remaking RBY again. x_x
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But again, for the sake of graphics, is equally as good of a reason as for remaking RBY again. x_x
Graphics or not, they're going to remake it for nostalgia purposes. They've remade every game so far (with the exception of Yellow) so it would be just stupid not to milk POKeFans for their money with a remake of a clearly adored Generation. Then again I don't understand how graphics mean they have to make a remake. God forbid, Gamefreak/PokeCo. believe Hoenn was a masterpiece and decide to leave it as is.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 04:19 AM
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But again, for the sake of graphics, is equally as good of a reason as for remaking RBY again. x_x
That's true but Kanto has kinda been updated in HGSS, maybe not the storyline but the region itself has Gen 4+ graphics. Hoenn is the only region that does not have this.
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That's true but Kanto has kinda been updated in HGSS, maybe not the storyline but the region itself has Gen 4+ graphics. Hoenn is the only region that does not have this.
That too, Not only have the graphics been updated but the maps of each town have been drastically rearranged. I can honestly say that I had a hard time finding my way around Kanto despite how many times I've played in it.
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Gen I and II were remade because they were both outdated and the battery died on most of them. Since Gen III is far from outdated, I don't think they'll remake it soon. We need to see Gen VI first and see how the game has evolved.

I really don't see a point in remaking it. I really love the Gen and I think it's fine as it is. Nothing has changed except for graphics. And if they remake this, then fans will demand a new Kanto remake, and then a Sinnoh remake, and a new Johto remake, Unova remake etc.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 07:15 AM
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Gen I and II were remade because they were both outdated and the battery died on most of them. Since Gen III is far from outdated, I don't think they'll remake it soon. We need to see Gen VI first and see how the game has evolved.

I really don't see a point in remaking it. I really love the Gen and I think it's fine as it is. Nothing has changed except for graphics. And if they remake this, then fans will demand a new Kanto remake, and then a Sinnoh remake, and a new Johto remake, Unova remake etc.
I've heard of batteries dieing out on GBA cartridges too.. besides the Time based event Pokemon no longer work for some reason such as Jirachi and others.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 01:59 PM
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Uh.....Did you even play Ruby/Sapphire? Maxie and Archie did not start a conflict between their legends. The Legends hated each other and started fighting on their own. Magma and Aqua had nothing to do with them fighting.

N vs Ghetsis was a simple Pokemon battle between one of the Old Legends under N's Control and the Third Legend Kyurem. That still isn't any where NEAR being similar. N wasn't even said to be the leader of the Old Team Plasma, he's basically a more helpful Red in the new games. Only reason we associate him with Plasma because he was with Plasma. Also Ghetsis WANTED to absorb the Dragon N was carrying so they didn't stop a conflict between two legend. N lost the battle against Ghetsis and had his dragon stolen. The fight wasn't resolved by a Third Legend, but incited by the third.

The events on B2W2 are not similar to the events of R/S/E. There is still only 1 Evil team in B2W2 not 2 evil teams.
Obviously Emerald and B2/W2 final events seem not similar if we look at details, but looking at simplified scheme they seem to be similar:
1) Two conflicted leaders (or ex-leader in N's case) are responsible of causing fight between two legendaries by awakening them or bringing them to one place,
2) Two legendaries fight,
3) Appearance or creation of another legendary/another form ends the fight,
4) Player is not capable of catching any of seen legendary Pokemon during the final events. Emerald and B2/W2 are the only games with that trait.

I mean that if there is similarity in story scheme in Emerald and B2/W2, it could mean R/S remakes with Emerald story addition in gen 5. Because G/S/C and D/P/Pt also have similarities in story scheme, such as going by boat to new land after beating League or receiving Togepi egg during storyline (in Platinum).
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Obviously Emerald and B2/W2 final events seem not similar if we look at details, but looking at simplified scheme they seem to be similar:
1) Two conflicted leaders (or ex-leader in N's case) are responsible of causing fight between two legendaries by awakening them or bringing them to one place,
2) Two legendaries fight,
3) Appearance or creation of another legendary/another form ends the fight,
4) Player is not capable of catching any of seen legendary Pokemon during the final events. Emerald and B2/W2 are the only games with that trait.

I mean that if there is similarity in story scheme in Emerald and B2/W2, it could mean R/S remakes with Emerald story addition in gen 5. Because G/S/C and D/P/Pt also have similarities in story scheme, such as going by boat to new land after beating League or receiving Togepi egg during storyline (in Platinum).
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1) Major difference. Team Aqua/Magma didn't purposefully make them fight nor did they expect them to fight after being awakened. They both thought that they could control Groudon and Kyogre with the orbs which they could not.

Unlike N and Ghetsis which was a straight Battle between two Pokemon owned by two different trainers. One is an accidental battle and the other was a forced battle.

3) Appearence and Creation are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Ya know what that means? They aren't similar.

Rayquaza had to be awakened to stop the fighting. If not then Rayquaza wouldn't have stopped the fighting and Kyogre and Groudon would have destroyed the region. It also took the appearance of Rayquaza to end the fight.

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Zekrom/Reshiram under the control of N battle against Ghetsis and his Kyurem in which THEY LOSE A POKEMON BATTLE and Ghetsis steals the losing Pokemon and fuses it with Kyurem.


Those scenarios are night and day and aren't similar in the smallest bit.

4) You also don't battle Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza during their movie,
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Unlike Kyurem who is owned by Ghetsis and isn't classified as a wild Pokemon so you couldn't catch it even if you wanted to because Kyurem is a Trainer Owned Pokemon and you DO have to battle Kyurem
Again the two factors are different as Night and Day. Complete opposites of one another.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 09:04 PM
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The two events are different period now let's move on to some more realistic hints shall we?

This is a theory not a hint but all three weather trio members can only be captured in Emerald (without the need to trade) out of the five games they have been in (RSEHgSs). Perhaps since in the GS remakes they were version exclusives with Kyogre in Hg and Groudon in Ss the three will be together in the remakes in an Emerald like conclusion to the event.
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Instead of hints, let's just talk about what we think we'll see/want to see in them then, haha. I know speculation covers a lot of everything else we've all talked about, but that seems to be doing more damage than good really and everyone's just getting sidetracked.

As I mentioned before, does anyone think Altering Cave will get better use this time? The 3DS' streetpass/spotpass could be perfect for something like that, along with that Special storage box paper thing(where you can get the Pikachu wallpaper) and Secret Bases of course.

I also wonder how Mirage Island will come into play this time. It was a real pain to access before, although understandable, just hope they'd make it a more realistic chance this time.

Do you think they'll expand on the Safari Zone?

Is anyone looking forward to being able to plant berries all over again? It's one of the things that gave Hoenn its more natural feel, so I'd hope they wouldn't leave it out.
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I was thinking that since HGSS had both Johto and Kanto in them, Nintendo might make an RSE remake with Hoenn and Sinnoh? Could be fairly likely.
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I was thinking that since HGSS had both Johto and Kanto in them, Nintendo might make an RSE remake with Hoenn and Sinnoh? Could be fairly likely.
Not really. Kanto was in the original Gen II games so it made sense for it to reappear. Sinnoh wasn't in the original Gen III games or part of the storyline so it would make no sense to include it. Also, Hoenn isn't in Sinnoh's back yard like Johto is in Kanto's.
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Instead of hints, let's just talk about what we think we'll see/want to see in them then, haha. I know speculation covers a lot of everything else we've all talked about, but that seems to be doing more damage than good really and everyone's just getting sidetracked. :S
This is the reason I wish I had waited till we had an official announcement, because all speculation consists of at the moment is where they'd fit in the timeline, "hints", and all that crap and debates I don't like reading. Makes this thread really, really unenjoyable, in all honesty. I much prefer speculating not if there will be remakes, or when, or why there won't be. I like talking about what we want to see in our redone Hoenn. Though one might argue "hurrr that'll just get your hopes up and we won't get a remake" Actually, in the early days of the old thread, it was just that. A few hints there and there, but not the timeline and hardware and generation debates. Not that I don't appreciate the enthusiasm and activity from the debates, but it gets to be the same thing over and over and it's just not enjoyable to read. So no offense to anyone that does that. It's just my personal opinion on it.

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As I mentioned before, does anyone think Altering Cave will get better use this time? The 3DS' streetpass/spotpass could be perfect for something like that, along with that Special storage box paper thing(where you can get the Pikachu wallpaper) and Secret Bases of course.

I also wonder how Mirage Island will come into play this time. It was a real pain to access before, although understandable, just hope they'd make it a more realistic chance this time.

Do you think they'll expand on the Safari Zone?

Is anyone looking forward to being able to plant berries all over again? It's one of the things that gave Hoenn its more natural feel, so I'd hope they wouldn't leave it out.
I would love for Altering Cave to come back with easier mechanics. Though, aren't the Pokemon that appear in the there also the Pokemon that appear in Emerald's extended Safari Zone? Safari Zone in mind, I would like it if they kept the extensions, along with the new Pokemon added in Emerald, even if it's an RS remake. There's a thread in the adv gen forum about how you felt about the region dex, and quite a few people wanted what was in the extended SZ to be in the regular dex. I agree. It adds more variety and some of those Pokemon just fit well into Hoenn, I think. Even though they weren't in the original dexes, I think it would be a good addition, along with the new evolutions of Hoenn Dex Pokemon (Magnezone, Froslass, Roserade, etc).

Mirage Island I'm sure would make a come back. It's not something I care much for though, because I never saw it haha.

And my batteries in RS have died, so I forget about planting berries really, even in Emerald even though my battery isn't dead for that game. I used to really enjoy berries as a kid though, cause I also did lots of contests, so naturally, I was using berries to make Pokeblocks. I would like more incentive to plant berries again though, so if they are remade, I would probably plant berries and do contests, if they're back as well and not too corny like DPPt's Super Contests.
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I would love for Altering Cave to come back with easier mechanics. Though, aren't the Pokemon that appear in the there also the Pokemon that appear in Emerald's extended Safari Zone? Safari Zone in mind, I would like it if they kept the extensions, along with the new Pokemon added in Emerald, even if it's an RS remake. There's a thread in the adv gen forum about how you felt about the region dex, and quite a few people wanted what was in the extended SZ to be in the regular dex. I agree. It adds more variety and some of those Pokemon just fit well into Hoenn, I think. Even though they weren't in the original dexes, I think it would be a good addition, along with the new evolutions of Hoenn Dex Pokemon (Magnezone, Froslass, Roserade, etc).

Mirage Island I'm sure would make a come back. It's not something I care much for though, because I never saw it haha.

And my batteries in RS have died, so I forget about planting berries really, even in Emerald even though my battery isn't dead for that game. I used to really enjoy berries as a kid though, cause I also did lots of contests, so naturally, I was using berries to make Pokeblocks. I would like more incentive to plant berries again though, so if they are remade, I would probably plant berries and do contests, if they're back as well and not too corny like DPPt's Super Contests.
Yeah, I think Altering Cave pretty much had the same Pokemon as the Safari Zone. I liked it as well for some reason...it was like one of those tiny additions that you don't hear as much about, yet it still has potential. They could really expand on what's available with 3DS' street/spotpass and maybe add an item or two in there to give it more appeal. The Safari Zone could have the Pokeblock use expanded, maybe by letting you have a better chance at some Pokes depending on what Pokeblock you put in the dispensers?

I think I remember seeing Mirage Island only once? It has more potential as well, they could add in more than just Wynatt and Liechi berries. There definitely needs to be more factors involved as well, obviously. Do you think they could allow there to be other Pokes with a higher chance of obtaining ones with DW abilities?

As for berries, I used them a lot as well. The original contests made them more appealing I guess, along with Pokeblocks. It was especially fun to do that kind of stuff with friends. I guess I was just berry happy then; always would stop by if I saw a fully grown berry plant and pick it, then plant another. Even went to the Berry Master and his wife often to get a chance at some rarer ones. They had THE biggest amount of berry plots in one spot, so it was a popular spot to plant as much variety as you could.

Speaking of berries and all of this 'chance' stuff, does anyone remember all of the little "special events" that randomly went on? That Master Pokeblock making guy visiting the Pokemon Contest Hall and helping you make crazy good Pokeblocks? The special Lilycove Dept. Store rooftop sale for even more Secret Base decorations? Those among others were mad fun to do when you got the chance.

Another thing, didn't someone mention how mixing records could work with Street/Spotpass? I remember finding it amusing whenever I saw my friends' achievements on Tv ingame.

RSE added many fun things that we'd hope would get expanded on.
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I like that idea about the Safari Zone. Also, since you mentioned Dream World Pokemon, how about Altering Cave having DW ability Pokemon after using Street Pass or whatever? Alter makes me think of alternative, which you know, DW abilities are usually a better alternative to the normal abilities. I think it'd work great. I like the idea about Pokeblocks in Safari Zone as well, as long as it's not some convoluted Pokeblock that's hard to make haha. Maybe instead it could attract Pokemon of certain natures? iirc, the cool, cute, etc moves have a color that corresponds to them, as well as the berries corresponding, which goes with natures too. I'd have to go look at Serebii to explain it better. But like you know, yellow Pokeblock attracts Pokemon with +def natures, blue attracts +sp att natures, etc. That make sense?

I never used the Pokeblock man, but I did like the Dept. Store, cause you could get decorations to put in your base to get across holes, which the best ones had holes. But yeah, it's little things like those special events that made it nice too. What else do you think could be added?
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