[Demo] Pokémon: Community Version - Page 2

Daniel Evans · #26 August 17th, 2012, 06:50 PM

Awesome.

Can't wait to see myself as a generic trainer. :LOL:
Also, will the tiles be in Third, Fourth or Fifth Gen style?

Awkward Squirtle · #27 August 17th, 2012, 06:51 PM

Just a few questions:

Pokémon Essentials allows you to choose specific details about a trainer's Pokémon (moves, hold item, ability, gender etc), as written on this page. Since it takes you just a minute or two to add this, and you're not exactly flooded with entries, why not allow people to choose them if they so wish?

I assume you're using the newest version of Essentials with all the 4th gen mechanics (physical/special split, 4th gen moves/items/abilities etc). Can you confirm? It's good to know if you decide to let people go into more detail about their team as above!

How are you going to decide which Pokémon to rent out, and what moves/items they have? I suggest you let people choose from any non-legendary (or Battle Frontier-legal, see below) Pokémon, and give the player one of each hold item and one of each TM (make the TMs infinite use; I can help with the small script change if you need it). Also, make the move relearner free (and possibly have someone who teaches egg moves; again, I can help with scripting that). That way, players can customise their team as much as they want. If you do go this way, it shouldn't take me too long to make script for a nice Pokémon selection screen.

Finally, I'd like to ask you to relax your ruling on legendaries a little. I appreciate that you want to ban them because they're usually powerful (you don't want anyone using the likes of Arceus), but you have to realise not all legendaries are that good! Pokémon like Garchomp and Metagross are as good or better than some legendaries - just have a look at their stats on Serebii or Bulbapedia. I recommend you allow all the Pokémon allowed in the Battle Frontier in the actual games, at the very least. The Battle Frontier bans the following Pokémon (and item):

Mewtwo
Mew
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Manaphy
Phione
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus
The Soul Dew item

Some of these aren't actually all that powerful (e.g. Jirachi), but for consistency with the real games (and to avoid arguments), I'd just use that list.

I don't know whether I can qualify to be in the game (I've been here a year, but I haven't posted much), but I'm sure other people would be happy if you answered these.

Musketeer · #28 August 17th, 2012, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

Awesome.

Can't wait to see myself as a generic trainer. :LOL:
Also, will the tiles be in Third, Fourth or Fifth Gen style?

The tiles are currently in 3rd generation style, as default by the newly packaged Essentials. However, like I stated previously, if enough people have a problem with the current graphics, they can ask for newer ones. Although, I'd have to redo all of my current map work. Check the screenshots section in the original post for more info.

P.S.
You don't have to be a generic Trainer. You could choose to a PkMn Trainer with a custom graphic, thus removing the generic-ism from it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awkward Squirtle

Just a few questions:

Pokémon Essentials allows you to choose specific details about a trainer's Pokémon (moves, hold item, ability, gender etc), as written on this page. Since it takes you just a minute or two to add this, and you're not exactly flooded with entries, why not allow people to choose them if they so wish?

I assume you're using the newest version of Essentials with all the 4th gen mechanics (physical/special split, 4th gen moves/items/abilities etc). Can you confirm? It's good to know if you decide to let people go into more detail about their team as above!

Finally, I'd like to ask you to relax your ruling on legendaries a little. I appreciate that you want to ban them because they're usually powerful (you don't want anyone using the likes of Arceus), but you have to realise not all legendaries are that good! Pokémon like Garchomp and Metagross are as good or better than some legendaries - just have a look at their stats on Serebii or Bulbapedia. I recommend you allow all the Pokémon allowed in the Battle Frontier in the actual games, at the very least. The Battle Frontier bans the following Pokémon (and item):

Mewtwo
Mew
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Manaphy
Phione
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus
The Soul Dew item

Some of these aren't actually all that powerful (e.g. Jirachi), but for consistency with the real games (and to avoid arguments), I'd just use that list.

I don't know whether I can qualify to be in the game (I've been here a year, but I haven't posted much), but I'm sure other people would be happy if you answered these.

First off, I am not having people define those entries because some people may not even know how they work. Even so, do you really thing they need to detail which ID they are in the game's battle database, let alone internal names such as "GENERIC_TRAINER_001"? Second, all of the other entries do not correspond correctly with my game's storyline. I am not having them decide what music to play, as it would be more hassle. I'd have to list all the included music, let them listen to it, then allow them to choose something that may not fit the moment. All other entries are defined by me.

With your second query, I am not detailing Pokémon stats as that would take far too long if taken into consideration that I'd set every person's team of six Pokémon ability, move, IVs, EVs, and so and so forth. Plus, I think you should read a little better. These people's Trainers are worked into a Tower Challenge of sorts. Thus, it'd just be much better to allow the Essentials system to define those other statistics.

I will not change my ruling on legendary Pokémon for many reasons. First off, legendary Pokémon, are of course, very powerful. They often have exclusive moves or abilities. Their stats are higher than average. Yes, there are Pokémon more powerful than some legendary ones, but my decision is final. Think about it. If you read the first post, I have a storyline to follow as well as have a Tower Challenge. Nowhere in my story did I say "Giratina rises forth... yada yada yada". If I did, I would have to give an explanation as to WTF a Giratina is doing in an unknown region, far away from it's home. Same goes for the Trainers. I'd have to explain why and how (just an example) Ash493 got a Regigigas. Multiply that by how many people I'm including, and you have to tell a huge backstory.

Next time, read my original post (entirely), and you'll get an understanding as to why I do what I do.

No one besides you has complained about the current rules. I think it's perfectly fine so far.

Cosmotone8 · #29 August 17th, 2012, 08:34 PM

Yeah sorry XD Something came up and I forgot to do it

Musketeer · #30 August 17th, 2012, 10:05 PM

No worries! Your entry is really cool! I love the new dialogue!

Awkward Squirtle · #31 August 18th, 2012, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musketeer

stuff

Sorry if I came across rudely.

For my first question, I didn't mean that people should use the format used by Essentials - I meant that instead of this (stealing a random post here):

Quote:

Preferred In-Game Name: Daniel
Trainer Type: PKMN Trainer
Pokémon #1: Weavile
Pokémon #2: Staraptor
Pokémon #3: Rhyperior
Pokémon #4: Salamence
Pokemon #5: Espeon
Pokémon #6: Blastoise

People could write this:

Quote:

Preferred In-Game Name: Daniel
Trainer Type: PKMN Trainer
Pokémon #1: Weavile @ Razor Claw - Ice Punch/Shadow Claw/Brick Break/Swords Dance
Pokémon #2: Staraptor @ Muscle Band - Brave Bird/Double-Edge/Close Combat/Quick Attack
Pokémon #3: Rhyperior (Solid Rock) @ Hard Stone - Rock Wrecker/Earthquake/Megahorn/Stone Edge
Pokémon #4: Salamence @ Life Orb - Draco Meteor/Outrage/Fire Blast/Aerial Ace
Pokemon #5: Espeon @ TwistedSpoon - Psychic/Shadow Ball/Quick Attack/Calm Mind
Pokémon #6: Blastoise @ Leftovers - Surf/Ice Beam/Skull Bash/Waterfall

Otherwise (assuming level 100), Daniel's Pokémon would have the following movesets:
Weavile - Night Slash/Fling/Metal Claw/Dark Pulse (Fling is useless here)
Staraptor - Take Down/Close Combat/Agility/Brave Bird
Rhyperior - OK, fair enough, this would actually have the same set I wrote above

Salamence - Fly/Crunch/Dragon Claw/Double-Edge
Espeon - Last Resort/Psych Up/Psychic/Morning Sun
Blastoise - Aqua Tail/Skull Bash/Rain Dance/Hydro Pump
It's even worse for some people: Hikari10's Roserade will know Poison Sting/Mega Drain/Magical Leaf/Sweet Scent. Not exactly top trainer-worthy moves.
Obviously specifying movesets would be optional - most Pokémon get on reasonably well with their defaults. Are you accepting MidnightShine's request to give two of his Pokémon Dragon Pulse? If so, why not allow that kind of thing for everyone?
It really doesn't take long to define all this in Essentials. Maybe a minute max per Pokémon.

Thanks for explaining why you're banning all legendaries. Although I disagree (after all, the games/anime never explain where Palmer got his Cresselia, or Tobias his Darkrai), I can see why you're doing it. Thanks.

Good luck with the game

Musketeer · #32 August 19th, 2012, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awkward Squirtle

Sorry if I came across rudely.

I'll be completely honest with you. You did come off a tad bit rude.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awkward Squirtle

Thanks for explaining why you're banning all legendaries. Although I disagree (after all, the games/anime never explain where Palmer got his Cresselia, or Tobias his Darkrai), I can see why you're doing it. Thanks.

Well, I hate all of the anime after the 3rd generation. Hopefully, that'll shed a little more light upon the subject as to why I do what I do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awkward Squirtle

Good luck with the game

Thank you. I understand what you are saying now. I will allow people to choose their Pokémon's moves.

I will now allow people to define what moves their Pokémon may have. This is optional, but I highly recommend it. I can make the Pokémon faster this method, thus allowing a demo to be released even earlier.

gunnerpow7 · #33 August 19th, 2012, 03:19 AM

Joining also..

Just a question: Can the pokemon also have a gender? If it does or doesn't, I'll just put it in the form anyways.

*Required Section*
Preferred In-Game Name: Gunner
Trainer Type: Pkmn Trainer
Pokémon #1: Bellossom (Female)
Moves: Sunny Day, Solarbeam, Razor Leaf, Petal Dance
Pokémon #2: Vileplume (Male)
Moves: Solarbeam, Poisonpowder, Razor Leaf, Moonlight
Pokémon #3: Gyarados (Male)
Moves: Hyper Beam, Rain Dance, Water Gun, Flamethrower
Pokémon #4: Milotic (Female)
Moves: Ice Beam, Surf, Dive, Waterfall
Pokemon #5: Arcanine (Male)
Moves: Bite, Crunch, Overheat, Flamethrower
Pokémon #6: Ninetales (Female)
Moves: Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Overheat, Sunny Day
*Optional Section*
Overworld Speech: "So you're my next opponent? Cool! Now let's dance!"
Battle End Victory Speech: "Yes! Thank you again for the battle! Don't worry, who knows? Maybe you'll be the next winner."
Battle End Loss Speech: "Ugh. Well, thanks again for the great battle! I learned very much from that battle! Next time, I will win!"
Custom Graphic:

Musketeer · #34 August 19th, 2012, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerpow7

Joining also..

Just a question: Can the pokemon also have a gender? If it does or doesn't, I'll just put it in the form anyways.

*Required Section*
Preferred In-Game Name: Gunner
Trainer Type: Pkmn Trainer
Pokémon #1: Bellossom (Female)
Moves: Sunny Day, Solarbeam, Razor Leaf, Petal Dance
Pokémon #2: Vileplume (Male)
Moves: Solarbeam, Poisonpowder, Razor Leaf, Moonlight
Pokémon #3: Gyarados (Male)
Moves: Hyper Beam, Rain Dance, Water Gun, Flamethrower
Pokémon #4: Milotic (Female)
Moves: Ice Beam, Surf, Dive, Waterfall
Pokemon #5: Arcanine (Male)
Moves: Bite, Crunch, Overheat, Flamethrower
Pokémon #6: Ninetales (Female)
Moves: Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Overheat, Sunny Day
*Optional Section*
Overworld Speech: "So you're my next opponent? Cool! Now let's dance!"
Battle End Victory Speech: "Yes! Thank you again for the battle! Don't worry, who knows? Maybe you'll be the next winner."
Battle End Loss Speech: "Ugh. Well, thanks again for the great battle! I learned very much from that battle! Next time, I will win!"
Custom Graphic:

Actually, your question as to whether or not they may have a user-specified gender... ABSOLUTELY!

I am surprised I haven't added that yet! Thanks for such an idea!

P.S.
Your entry has been accepted.

gunnerpow7 · #35 August 19th, 2012, 03:48 AM

Sorry, just changed the custom graphic... I don't want people having same custom graphics... I'm more of a unique guy... So I just changed my graphic.

Musketeer · #36 August 19th, 2012, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnerpow7

Sorry, just changed the custom graphic... I don't want people having same custom graphics... I'm more of a unique guy... So I just changed my graphic.

That works just fine. I will still accept it.

mineox100 · #37 August 19th, 2012, 12:52 PM

We can choose genders and moves? Great! :D
I'm gonna update my post now...

Musketeer · #38 August 19th, 2012, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineox100

We can choose genders and moves? Great! :D
I'm gonna update my post now...

Heh, please do! It'd be so helpful to me! I can get everything done with more information.

Good news everyone! Expect a cool demo with the first five people who submitted an entry to b released soon! Also, new screenshots will be added too!

Abnegation · #39 August 21st, 2012, 12:55 PM

So I like this idea, it's a pretty nice community thing you have going. So I'm going to support it by throwing you an extra character. Now I've gone pretty deep into EV's, moves, natures and items, but you don't need to add anything extra I put it. I just wanted to be sure you had everything you needed. It's a pretty strong lineup though, but you do what you see fit! Best of luck with the game, the application is below.

Spoiler:

Cosmotone8 · #40 August 21st, 2012, 01:00 PM

I had a question about the moves. Do they have to be within certain limits? For example, can we say Gen V moves or are we limited to something else?
EDIT: Oh yeah, I finished my sprite but since Dropbox is down atm I can't post it yet. Will PM you once its back up.

Musketeer · #41 August 21st, 2012, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnegation

So I like this idea, it's a pretty nice community thing you have going. So I'm going to support it by throwing you an extra character. Now I've gone pretty deep into EV's, moves, natures and items, but you don't need to add anything extra I put it. I just wanted to be sure you had everything you needed. It's a pretty strong lineup though, but you do what you see fit! Best of luck with the game, the application is below.

Spoiler:

Thanks for supporting it, Abnegation! I need every bit of it. It motivates me.

As far as your concerns go, you may detail your Pokémon to the highest extent, but I told someone else that I only chose the form to look like that since I wanted to make it as easy as possible for normal people. Ya know, some who may not know what an EV or IV is or does. But, since you provided so much information, I can get your "data" completed so much faster. I appreciate you providing me with all of this information. At this rate, full release will be right around!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmotone8

I had a question about the moves. Do they have to be within certain limits? For example, can we say Gen V moves or are we limited to something else?
EDIT: Oh yeah, I finished my sprite but since Dropbox is down atm I can't post it yet. Will PM you once its back up.

You may pick generation 5 moves. I already have those implemented. And I don't mind if you choose whatever move that Pokémon can learn by levelling up or by TM/HM. So long as you don't choose a move it can't normally learn. For instance, a Ratatta with Spacial Rend.

TheFattestSnorlax · #42 August 21st, 2012, 11:52 PM

Okay, here I go. Sounds interesting so I'll join.

Preferred In-Game Name: Evan
Trainer Overworld Sprite: Rich Boy from R/B/E
Trainer Battle Sprite: Ethan from HG/SS
Pokémon #1: Blastoise
Pokémon #2: Pidgeot
Pokémon #3: Typhlosion
Pokémon #4: Sceptile
Pokemon #5: Munchlax
Pokémon #6: Snorlax
Overworld Speech: So, you've come to the Tower to battle too? It doesn't matter, you'll still lose anyway to my Pokemon!
Battle End Victory Speech: Sorry about the loss. I'm sure you'll do better next time you face me!
Battle End Loss Speech: How the heck did I lose???

I hope you understand. I don't want my Overworld Sprite and the Battle Sprite get mixed up. I'm also sure you can figure out my levels and movesets for my Pokemon as well.

Rodriguezjames55 · #43 August 22nd, 2012, 01:05 AM

Preferred In-Game Name:James
Trainer Type: Dark
Pokémon #1:
Absol Item: black glasses
Night slash
Psycho Cut
Slash
Sucker Punch

Pokémon #2:
Honchkrow Item: Sharp Beak
Fly
Foul Play
Sky Attack
Roost

Pokémon #3:
Hydreigon Item: Dragon Fang
Draco meteor
Outrage
Body Slam
Crunch

Pokémon #4:
Bisharp Item: Metal Coat
Metal Burst
Iron Head
Night Slash
Psycho Cut

Pokemon #5:
Zoroark Item: Blackglasses
Night Daze
U-turn
Night Slash
Dig

Pokémon #6:
*Weavile* Item: NeverMeltIce
Beat up
Ice Beam
Ice punch
Night Slash

Weavile is my signature Pokemon Gym leader maybe =3

Musketeer · #44 August 22nd, 2012, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFattestSnorlax

Okay, here I go. Sounds interesting so I'll join.

Preferred In-Game Name: Evan
Trainer Overworld Sprite: Rich Boy from R/B/E
Trainer Battle Sprite: Ethan from HG/SS
Pokémon #1: Blastoise
Pokémon #2: Pidgeot
Pokémon #3: Typhlosion
Pokémon #4: Sceptile
Pokemon #5: Munchlax
Pokémon #6: Snorlax
Overworld Speech: So, you've come to the Tower to battle too? It doesn't matter, you'll still lose anyway to my Pokemon!
Battle End Victory Speech: Sorry about the loss. I'm sure you'll do better next time you face me!
Battle End Loss Speech: How the heck did I lose???

I hope you understand. I don't want my Overworld Sprite and the Battle Sprite get mixed up. I'm also sure you can figure out my levels and movesets for my Pokemon as well.

Of course! Levels are easy, and moves take me but a few minutes per Trainer. No problems here!

-APPROVED-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodriguezjames55

Preferred In-Game Name:James
Trainer Type: Dark
Pokémon #1:
Absol Item: black glasses
Night slash
Psycho Cut
Slash
Sucker Punch

Pokémon #2:
Honchkrow Item: Sharp Beak
Fly
Foul Play
Sky Attack
Roost

Pokémon #3:
Hydreigon Item: Dragon Fang
Draco meteor
Outrage
Body Slam
Crunch

Pokémon #4:
Bisharp Item: Metal Coat
Metal Burst
Iron Head
Night Slash
Psycho Cut

Pokemon #5:
Zoroark Item: Blackglasses
Night Daze
U-turn
Night Slash
Dig

Pokémon #6:
*Weavile* Item: NeverMeltIce
Beat up
Ice Beam
Ice punch
Night Slash

Weavile is my signature Pokemon Gym leader maybe =3

Please review my "IMPORTANT NOTES" section. I stated some key rules to follow there, such as no 5th generation Pokémon. Plus, no legendary Pokémon are allowed. Fix your entry to comply with the rules, and I'll review it again.

Musketeer · #45 August 22nd, 2012, 09:04 PM

Guess what everyone?

DEMO has been released! Go download it!

Remember to read the README.TXT for further info.

ChaosLord · #46 August 22nd, 2012, 09:38 PM

This game's pretty fun, though with the Water and Flying types you get, I'm wondering why "we" can't get off this island by surfing or flying.

Musketeer · #47 August 22nd, 2012, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosLord

This game's pretty fun, though with the Water and Flying types you get, I'm wondering why "we" can't get off this island by surfing or flying.

First of all, there are boulders blocking the surfing routes. You cannot surf even if you tried. Second, I purposefully made it so you can't use Fly. It's gotta follow the story, no matter what. Even so, if you could Fly, there'd be nowhere to fly to.

It's an uncharted island in the middle of nowhere. No one, even the old guy who claims he does, knows where the island is.

ChaosLord · #48 August 22nd, 2012, 09:47 PM

Yeah I know, I was just speaking figuratively (Sweatdrop).

Nintendork15 · #49 August 22nd, 2012, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musketeer

It's an uncharted island in the middle of nowhere. No one, even the old guy who claims he does, knows where the island is.

*SPOILER ALERT!*

Anywho, I'm downloading now, and am going off to play, and won't stop till I find me!

Saving Raven · #50 August 22nd, 2012, 10:07 PM

Sounds great! When I finish toying around with some things, i'll check out your game!

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