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Old August 28th, 2012 (08:19 AM).
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I want to share with the community a project a friend and I have been working on over the past year. We came up with a way to create a ‘Cube’ out of the Pokemon TCG. For those unaware, Cube is a concept that comes from the card game Magic: the Gathering. Cube is a group of cards that are put together for players to draft and play with. This attempts to simulate the process that happens at some pre-releases (opening packs and building decks from those packs), but instead with some of the most powerful cards printed throughout the entire game. Have you ever wanted to play Super Energy Removal to remove Energy from your opponent’s Reshiram? Play Professor Oak and then attach Expert Belt to Machamp Prime?

The Cube is made up of 400 different cards from the history of the Pokemon TCG. Only one of each card is included, creating a diverse and fun experience. Some other details about the Cube.
  1. Draft in a face up style
  2. Each Player builds and plays with a 50 card deck (This includes energy)
  3. Basic Energy are provided after the draft to supplement your deck
  4. Each game will be played with 5 prizes (Instead of 4 in regular draft or 6 in constructed)
  5. Each game session between players will be best 2 out of 3 (Allows people to play more games)
  6. Dice will be used in place of Coins. Heads=Evens / Tails=Odds
  7. Pokémon with Names, Dark, Light or other variations would be considered as normal
  8. Certain Pokemon lines are supported. For example, there are 8 Horsea, 6 Sedra, and 4 Kingdra in the Cube. This is to make sure each player has enough chances to draft the Pokemon he/she needs for a deck.
Cube has been a blast to build and play. It has been a great way for me (and others) to keep playing the Pokemon TCG without having to go to events or keep up with the most current decks. The Pokecube list has been pretty refined, but we are welcome to discussion and suggestions for cards to include. More information about the Cube can be found at: pokecube.com/2012/05/02what-exactly-is-a-pokecube-3/
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Old August 28th, 2012 (08:52 AM).
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"Pokemon with Names, Dark, Light, or other variations would be considered as normal"

What do you mean by this? That you're treating them as just the Pokemon they are without the variation in their name? That's a bit silly, in my opinion, seeing as there are entire groups of trainers and Pokemon that are worthless in a cube if they aren't allowed their special name variation, as some of the best trainers affect only Pokemon with a certain name variation, and some of the best PokePowers/PokeBodies do the same.
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Old August 28th, 2012 (09:04 AM).
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"Pokemon with Names, Dark, Light, or other variations would be considered as normal"

What do you mean by this? That you're treating them as just the Pokemon they are without the variation in their name? That's a bit silly, in my opinion, seeing as there are entire groups of trainers and Pokemon that are worthless in a cube if they aren't allowed their special name variation, as some of the best trainers affect only Pokemon with a certain name variation, and some of the best PokePowers/PokeBodies do the same.
Sorry about it, my statement was a bit vague. The Pokemon currently in the Cube that this effects:
Misty's Horsea
Brock's Vulpix
Dark Gengar
Team Magma's Houndour

All benefits and other effects still matter for these Pokemon, except for evolution restrictions. This is mainly what I meant. Normally, Misty's Horsea can only evolve into a Misty's Seadra or Dark Gengar can only evolve from a Dark Haunter. As far as the Cube is concerned, these Pokemon are treated as 'normal', meaning there is no evolution restriction. For example, Dark Gengar can evolve from any Haunter in the Cube and Misty's Horsea can evolve into any Seadra.
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Old September 7th, 2012 (02:20 AM).
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I've played the cube for YGO before and it was pretty awesome. It would be cool to have a cube list for the Pokemon TCG too but I'm not sure how to go about standardizing a list.
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Old September 10th, 2012 (06:53 PM).
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I've played the cube for YGO before and it was pretty awesome. It would be cool to have a cube list for the Pokemon TCG too but I'm not sure how to go about standardizing a list.

We have a list! We have been working on the Cube for about a year and documented some of the progress at pokecube.com.
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Old September 11th, 2012 (12:45 AM).
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Well if you'd like, feel free to bring the list over and the members here might have suggestions to make.
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Old September 11th, 2012 (08:31 AM). Edited September 13th, 2012 by PokeCuber.
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Well if you'd like, feel free to bring the list over and the members here might have suggestions to make.
Here is the current list:
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Eevee Family
Eevee
Jungle
Team Rocket
Wizards Black Star Promos
Neo Discovery
Aquapolis
Skyridge
EX Sandstorm
EX Unseen Forces
EX Delta Species
EX Delta Species
POP Series 3
Majestic Dawn
Majestic Dawn
Rising Rivals
Undaunted
Call of Legends
Dark Explorers
Dark Explorers
Jolteon
Call of Legends
Rising Rivals
Majestic Dawn
Flareon
Undaunted
Rising Rival
Majestic Dawn
Umbreon
Call of Legends
Dark Explorers
Dark Explorers
Espeon
Undaunted
Call of Legends
Majestic Dawn
Leafeon
Undaunted
Rising Rivals
Majestic Dawn
Vaporeon
Majestic Dawn
Dark Explorers
Glaceon
Majestic Dawn
Electric
Mareep
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Platinum
Secret Wonders
EX Team Rocket Returns
Expedition
Neo Destiny
Neo Discovery
Neo Genesis
Flaaffy
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Secret Wonders
EX Unseen Forces
EX Dragon
Neo Revelation
Platinum
Ampharos
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Call of Legends
Platinum
Secret Wonders
Pikachu
Stormfront
Majestic Dawn
EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua
POP Series 4
Supreme Victors
EX FireRed & LeafGreen
Raichu
Undaunted
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Supreme Victors
Stormfront
Fighting
Riolu
Diamond & Pearl
Legends Awakened
Call of Legends
Platinum
POP Series 8
Next Destinies
Lucario
Call of Legends
Unleashed
Legends Awakened
Next Destinies
Machop
Triumphant
Stormfront
Diamond & Pearl
EX Power Keepers
EX Legend Maker
EX Hidden Legends
Skyridge
Base Set
Machoke
Triumphant
Diamond & Pearl
EX Power Keepers
EX Legend Maker
Expedition
Stormfront
Machamp
Triumphant
Triumphant
Stormfront
Diamond & Pearl
Dark
Murkrow
Mysterious Treasures
EX Unseen Forces
EX Sandstorm
Neo Genesis
POP Series 1
Neo Revelation
Honchkrow
Supreme Victors
Mysterious Treasures
Undaunted
Undaunted
Houndour
Undaunted
Call of Legends
Legends Awakened
EX Dragon
Neo Discovery
EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua
Houndoom
Undaunted
Call of Legends
Legends Awakened
Great Encounters
Water
Horsea
Unleashed
Gym Heroes
Legends Awakened
EX Dragon Frontiers
EX Team Rocket Returns
EX Dragon
EX Dragon
Fossil
Seadra
Unleashed
Legends Awakened
EX Team Rocket Returns
EX Dragon
EX Dragon
Neo Genesis
Kingdra
Unleashed
Unleashed
Legends Awakened
EX Team Rocket Returns
Magikarp
Stormfront
EX Team Rocket Returns
EX FireRed & LeafGreen
EX Dragon
Base Set
Team Rocket
Gyarados
Stormfront
Mysterious Treasures
EX Deoxys
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Grass
Chikorita
Call of Legends
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Mysterious Treasures
EX Unseen Forces
EX Hidden Legends
Expedition
Expedition
Neo Genesis
Bayleef
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Mysterious Treasures
EX Unseen Forces
Expedition
Neo Genesis
Neo Genesis
Meganium
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Call of Legends
Mysterious Treasures
Neo Genesis
Yanma
Supreme Victors
Supreme Victors
Team Rocket Returns
Unseen Forces
Neo Discovery
Legends Awakened
Yanmega
Legends Awakened
Supreme Victors
Triumphant
Triumphant
Psychic
Gastly
Triumphant
Arceus
Arceus
Neo Destiny
EX Legend Maker
Skyridge
Expedition
Fossil
Haunter
Fossil
Triumphant
Arceus
Arceus
Stormfront
Diamond & Pearl
Gengar
Arceus
Triumphant
Stormfront
Neo Destiny
Slowpoke
Undaunted
HeartGold & SoulSilver
EX Delta Species
EX Unseen Forces
Team Rocket
EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua
Slowking
Undaunted
HeartGold & SoulSilver
EX Unseen Forces
Neo Genesis
Fire
Torchic
Dark Explorers
EX Emerald
EX Crystal Guardians
Platinum
EX Power Keepers
EX Holon Phantoms
EX Dragon
Great Encounters
Combusken
Dark Explorers
POP Series 4
EX Emerald
Platinum
EX Ruby and Sapphire
Great Encounters
Blaziken
Dark Explorers
Platinum
Great Encounters
EX Ruby and Sapphire
Vulpix
HeartGold & SoulSilver
Platinum
EX Emerald
EX Hidden Legends
Aquapolis
Gym Heroes
Ninetales
Platinum
Mysterious Treasures
EX Dragon Frontiers
EX Emerald
Steel
Beldum
Undaunted
Supreme Victors
Legends Awakened
Legends Awakened
EX Power Keepers
EX Hidden Legends
EX Hidden Legends
EX Hidden Legends
Metang
Undaunted
EX Hidden Legends
Supreme Victors
Legends Awakened
Legends Awakened
EX Power Keepers
Metagross
Undaunted
Supreme Victors
Legends Awakened
POP Series 1
Colorless
Teddiursa
Call of Legends
Neo Discovery
Skyridge
EX Unseen Forces
Mysterious Treasures
Unleashed
Ursaring
Unleashed
Call of Legends
EX Unseen Forces
Big Basics
Psychic
Azelf Legends Awakened
Giratina Platinum 9
Mr. Mime Jungle
Sableye EX Power Keepers
Uxie Legends Awakened
Dark
Absol Triumphant
Arceus Arceus AR1
Sableye Stormfront
Spiritomb Arceus
Electric
Arceus Arceus AR6
Elekid Neo Genesis
Pichu Neo Genesis
Raichu GL Rising Rivals
Zekrom Black & White
Grass
Arceus Arceus AR2
Shaymin Unleashed
Shaymin Platinum
Virizion Emerging Powers
Virizion Noble Victories
Fighting
Aerodactyl GL Rising Rivals
Terrakion Emerging Powers
Terrakion Noble Victories
Throh Black & White
Tyrogue Neo Discovery
Fire
Magby Neo Genesis
Rapidash 4 Rising Rivals
Reshiram Black & White
Victini Noble Victories 14
Victini Noble Victories 15
Water
Kyurem Noble Victories
Lapras Great Encounters
Manaphy Unleashed
Palkia G Platinum
Relicanth Call of Legends
Steel
Cobalion Emerging Powers
Cobalion Noble Victories
Jirachi Rising Rivals
Registeel Legends Awakened
Skarmory Great Encounters
Skarmory EX Delta Species
Skarmory FB Supreme Victors
Colorless
Chatot G Supreme Victors
Cleffa Neo Genesis
Cleffa Wizards Promo 31
Lickilicky C Supreme Victors
Regigigas Legends Awakened
Smeargle Secret Wonders
Togekiss C Supreme Victors
Energy
Call Energy
Cyclone Energy
Double Colorless Energy
Double Rainbow Energy
Full Heal Energy
Heal Energy
Multi Energy
Potion Energy
Prism Energy
Rainbow Energy
Recycle Energy
Rescue Energy
Scramble Energy
Upper Energy
Warp Energy
Trainers
Tool
Amulet Coin
Cessation Crystal
Eviolite
Expert Belt
Fluff Berry
Focus Band
Gold Berry
Lucky Egg
Rocky Helmet
Time Shard
Stadium
Ancient Tomb
Broken Ground Gym
Cursed Stone
Full Flame
Galactic HQ
Giant Stump
Lake Boundary
Mt. Moon
Resistance Gym
Rocket’s Minefield Gym
Skyarrow Bridge
Team Magma Hideout
The Rocket’s Training Gym
Supporter
Bebe’s Search
Bianca
Black Belt
Buck’s Training
Castaway
Celio’s Network
Cheren
Cilan
Copycat
Cynthia’s Feelings
Cynthia’s Guidance
Felicity’s Drawing
Fisherman
Holon Adventure
Holon Lass
Holon Mentor
Holon Scientist
Interviewer’s Questions
Judge
Lady Outing
Lanette’s Net Search
Looker’s Investigation
Mr. Briney’s Compassion
Mr. Stone’s Project
N
Pokémon Collector
Pokémon Fan Club
Prof. Oak’s Research
Professor Birch
Professor Elm’s Training Method
Professor Juniper
Professor Oak’s New Theory
Professor Rowan
Relic Hunter
Rival
Roseanne’s Research
Sage’s Training
Seeker
Scott
Steven’s Advice
Twins
Volkner’s Philosophy
Other
Computer Search
Energy Removal
Energy Retrieval
Gust of Wind
Level Ball
Life Herb
Luxury Ball
Misty’s Wrath
Pokémon Breeder
Pokémon Breeder Fields
Pokémon Catcher
Pokémon Communication
Pokémon Trader
Potion
Professor Elm
Professor Oak
Random Receiver
Rare Candy
Revive
Super Energy Removal
Switch
Technical Machine TS-1
VS Seeker
Windstorm
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Old September 12th, 2012 (12:54 AM).
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You should probably add spoiler tags to your list so it doesn't stretch the page so much. But anyway, I'm curious as to how you've gone about creating this list. Could you explain your approach and give reasons as to why you've chosen to include the Pokemon families you did? Basically what process did you utilize to get the list as it currently stands?
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Old September 13th, 2012 (11:32 AM).
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You should probably add spoiler tags to your list so it doesn't stretch the page so much. But anyway, I'm curious as to how you've gone about creating this list. Could you explain your approach and give reasons as to why you've chosen to include the Pokemon families you did? Basically what process did you utilize to get the list as it currently stands?
One of the biggest influences in the Cube was to have no card appear more than once. For the Pokemon chains this meant they had to have a certain number of printings before they could even be considered. Right now for Stage 2 lines the break down is 8 Basics, 6 Stage 1, and 4 Stage 2. For the Stage 1 lines it is: 6 Basics and 4 Stage 1. We were interested in playing with Infernape, but because there haven't been 8 different Chimchar printed, the line wouldn't fit with the Cube. These numbers were chosen to make sure there was a critical mass of certain Pokemon to make sure players could draft enough to build decks where they hit their evolutions.

After we had these numbers, we started looking for lines that shared a relative power level and would be strong/fun enough to play. We have made changes as we have played and tweaked the Cube to what lines are in based on this criteria. For example, Charizard, Blastoise, and Ledian were all in the Cube at one point, but have been changed out for different lines.

We also decided to include 1 Stage 2 chain and 1 Stage 1 chain to diversify what Pokemon where included in the Cube as well as give players different options when drafting. We then included some Basic Pokemon in each type that don't evolve to help round out decks and also add some diversity. We also included Eevee because it provided a unique option to evolving, provided six different types the line can branch into.

The rest of the spots were filled with powerful Trainers/Supporters/Stadium/Item cards. These cards help the decks flow and work, while also providing some powerful effects. This is also a way to be able to play with some of the most powerful cards from the Pokemon TCG game, putting Super Energy Removal with Reshiram.

We ultimately decided to leave ex/EX Pokemon out of the Cube for power balance reasons. Ex would unbalance many of the lines in the Cube, while further skewing the power level between Basics and Stage 1 and 2. Also, many of the Trainer/Supporter cards don't work or work different with Exs, making some cards worse or situational. Ex and EX are treated as different things in the rules, but function as the same. This means that cards that don't work with ex Pokemon work with EX Pokemon, creating further confusion.The power level of some of the new EX Pokemon is so high that they are better than many Stage 2, which would warp the Cube.
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Old September 13th, 2012 (12:43 PM).
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Except for the Dark Type which only has stage one guys, haha. While I do agree that EX cards are pretty OP, just as there are OP trainers in the cube there should be some EX cards as well in my opinion. You can treat EX and ex as the same for the purpose of trainer / supporter cards and such. You don't have to include the best of the best EX cards though but I do think a couple should be thrown in. Stuff like Regigigas, Registeel, Groudon, Raikou Giratina, Shaymin are possible ones to throw into the cube. But otherwise I think you guys have done a real good job in constructing this cube.
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