Infraction system information and questions

[bobandbill]

So I suppose that is the meaning behind your latest blog.

At any rate; no, infractions are not reversed just because you may leave PC or don't want to get banned (which only happens if you break more rules on top of that, so). You can contest the infraction if you don't think you used someone else's images or whatnot without permission, but not because of that reason.

[Wobbachomp]

Originally Posted by Hikari10

Guys, I just got a 4 point infraction for content theft after I used an avatar/signature that was similar to one that Leaf Storm used and I don't want to get banned again.

Can you help me reverse this infraction cos I'm considering quitting PC for good.

You got infracted for using an avatar that was similar to someone else's? I am sorry but I say that's ********.

[bobandbill]

So she should bring it up for that reason in some more detail (say via PM to myself or another higher staff, or the one who infracted and give one more of an idea of what the two avatars/signatures looked like in the first place in the case of asking someone else) and bring up said reasons if that is the case, rather than say 'I might leave PC forever'. That's not a reason to overturn any infraction.

[Razor Leaf]

Originally Posted by Wobbachomp

You got infracted for using an avatar that was similar to someone else's? I am sorry but I say that's ********.

Actually, no. If someone creates the images and the layout used in a theme and someone else uses it without permission, then intended or not, that's content theft. However in this case we aren't 100% certain of the circumstances and we're looking further into it.

[Wobbachomp]

Originally Posted by Razor Leaf

Actually, no. If someone creates the images and the layout used in a theme and someone else uses it without permission, then intended or not, that's content theft. However in this case we aren't 100% certain of the circumstances and we're looking further into it.

Oh I thought she got infracted just for using a Gangnam Style avatar.

[XanderO]

If the image is from another source and not created from scratch, then the original owner should also be infracted as they stole the content to make the gif or avatar image. So anyone using say Marlon's VS sprite like the Seven members during B2W2's Japanese release (who all had the same signatures as well.) should have been infracted. I'd have to be for editing a sprite made by nintendo. If your Gif. is from a TV show or taken from any other source that isn't you doing that dance, you technically stole content that wasn't yours to use for your own personal use.

Bobandbill stole the Wes dance sprite if its from Earthbound/Mother or who ever created it, if he didn't make it himself.

Everyone using official music video gifs of Gangnam Style stole content from the video.

By copyright laws and regulations we are all stealing if we don't make every last detail from scratch.

Theft should ONLY be considered if there is actual theft and not when two people have identical or the same Avatar/Signature

Which this honestly does look like. Especially since when this was done to Hikari nothing was done to the person "stealing" from her.

[Wobbachomp]

Originally Posted by XanderO

If the image is from another source and not created from scratch, then the original owner should also be infracted as they stole the content to make the gif or avatar image. So anyone using say Marlon's VS sprite like the Seven members during B2W2's Japanese release (who all had the same signatures as well.) should have been infracted. I'd have to be for editing a sprite made by nintendo. If your Gif. is from a TV show or taken from any other source that isn't you doing that dance, you technically stole content that wasn't yours to use for your own personal use.

Bobandbill stole the Wes dance sprite if its from Earthbound/Mother or who ever created it, if he didn't make it himself.

Everyone using official music video gifs of Gangnam Style stole content from the video.

By copyright laws and regulations we are all stealing if we don't make every last detail from scratch.

Theft should ONLY be considered if there is actual theft and not when two people have identical or the same Avatar/Signature

Which this honestly does look like. Especially since when this was done to Hikari nothing was done to the person "stealing" from her.

This is the exact point I wanted to make, but you worded it much better than I would have. :/

[Patchisou Yutohru]

So are you guys handing out infractions for people who have the same avatar as someone else now, or? Is this going to be a thing?

[bobandbill]

Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru

So are you guys handing out infractions for people who have the same avatar as someone else now, or? Is this going to be a thing?

I would have thought the obvious answer is that no, having the same avatar as someone else is not infractable, but using an avatar that is made by someone else (say it is a picture someone drew, for sake of an example) without giving credit/asking for permission is against the rules (content theft).

Anyways, the case is still being looked at. Don't think there's a need on a public commentary here on this case on it given it only involves Hikari, so let's drop that please.

[PokémonShinySilver]

Originally Posted by Hikari10

Guys, I just got a 4 point infraction for content theft after I used an avatar/signature that was similar to one that Leaf Storm used and I don't want to get banned again.

Can you help me reverse this infraction cos I'm considering quitting PC for good.

Did you know that I acted very much like you did when I got my first ever infraction for copy and paste welcomes back in 2008. And hey... I now admit that I did the wrong thing. And often when it's our first time... we often would overreact, it's only a learning curve for us. 'Cause when we do get infracted... it's something we just something we have to learn about, after all... no one's perfect.

And like pretty much everyone has already said, there's no way for the staff to reverse your infraction unless the avatar was proven to be not used by someone else. At least we're learning to be careful when using other people's avatars, 'cause anyone has the right to complain about their content being used.

I do have to admit though, I do wish that people could share their stuff rather than have control over it.

[Thomas Wiencek]

My apology, but I can't believe that they should never use such bad language, such as the slang term "sucks", which sometimes don't put them in infraction of their rules.

[Twilight Sky]

Originally Posted by Thomas Wiencek

My apology, but I can't believe that they should never use such bad language, such as the slang term "sucks", which sometimes don't put them in infraction of their rules.

....What are you even referring to? o_O

[Sydian]

My apology, but I can't believe that they should never use such bad language, such as the slang term "sucks", which sometimes don't put them in infraction of their rules.

...I'm sorry, what? What are you trying to say? If you got in trouble for saying the word "sucks" then I don't see why that was a big deal. Surely it was something else? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask though.

[Sweet Smoochum]

Can my account be deleted please? I like the infraction system, and I want to know why I was really infracted, becauise I want'ed to know before I get banned permanently with this username for going off t-oicp when the computer's shutting down, and I acceidentally click send without chercking who did what with my profile. I 'm undcertain that the point cogt across, no hallucinations, upon me. I'm on meds, now.

[Yusshin]

If I had seven yellow cards and three red cards, would I be suspended due to this:

Earning 18 points or more or at least 10 infractions, whether expired or not will result in a three month suspension.

Or do you physically need ten red cards to provoke this?

Also, say you're on PC for five years and you rack up ten 2pts infractions for double-posting or "spamming." Is that user permanently banned regardless how spaced out these infractions were (under the following)?

You will be banned permanently if you accumulate 20 points or more.

Just wondering if time and the actual "badness" of the infractions is taken into account. I'd say a person who in five years is receives infractions for double-posting should be allowed leniency compared to a user who's around for three years and receives ~20 points for posting illegal content, content theft with a few double-posts tossed in there. Especially if typically the former person's posts are informative, helpful and they had no intention of actually doing any harm.

[Lightning]

I'm pretty sure you'd need the full 10 infractions (red) to provoke that 3-month ban. Generally staff tends to stop giving warnings [edit: and default to infractions] once someone's accumulated so many anyway, though, unless it's over a very long time in which case...

The system automatically bans you after 20 points but if it were over a really long time, you could probably appeal it and the hstaff would look over your case to see if you deserve a second chance. Usually if it's at that point, though, the person should really know better, but if they're usually a really good member and they've just slipped up enough times over many years, it's not unheard of for leniency to be shown. Generally by that time they should just know better though.

(Points are only given out if there's an actual infraction applied and after so many years and enough warnings/infractions, there's really no reason someone shouldn't know the rules or shouldn't know to be careful of what they say/do if they're prone to controversial posts.)

[Yusshin]

Thanks for the clarification, Lightning. I'm not personally at risk for it imo, but I was curious about how it works in general.

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