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Advance Generation The hallmark of sprite-based Pokémon gaming, Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald set you off on an adventure in the watery Hoenn region with tons of diverse Pokémon to discover. Fans of Kanto can reexplore their favorite region in FireRed and LeafGreen. Here you'll find other fans who enjoy talking about the Pokémon, strategy, and techniques to master this generation.

View Poll Results: Who is the hardest Hoenn Gym Leader?
Roxanne 5 1.77%
Brawly 24 8.51%
Wattson 26 9.22%
Flannery 7 2.48%
Norman 51 18.09%
Winona 22 7.80%
Tate & Liza 128 45.39%
Wallace/Juan 19 6.74%
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Old Posted November 22nd, 2012 (06:33 PM).
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Tate and Liza obliterated my Blaziken (which is my lead Pokémon) on my first try. Lucky I saved before fighting them.....
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Wattson was a nightmare for my poorly structured team.
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Old Posted December 7th, 2012 (05:51 PM).
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My poor poor Blaziken, Lairon, linoone, absol, and Pelipper...they just couldn't handle Winona's Altaria...It is so strong! Norman was a breeze and wattson was a cake walk, but I always get stuck in fortree city and by the time i leave there i'm level 50
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Old Posted December 8th, 2012 (04:34 PM).
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Roxanne: My Mudkip destroyed her
Brawly: Kadabra did the job perfectly
Wattson No problem for Marshtomp and Mudshot
Flannery: Marshtomp kicked ass
Norman: Swampert did the Job
Winona: I, Aggron + Rollout = complete destruction but I had to train my Lairon tryhard
Tate and Lisa: Somehow destroyed my team and today I still don't know why they destroyed me that much and that many times
Wallace/Juan: Hmm Electrike and Breloom did the job pretty well
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Old Posted December 9th, 2012 (03:22 AM).
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Tate & Liza most definitely. Especially in R/S. they used to obliterate my team of 35-39 levelled Pokemon, I had no chance ;.;

In Emerald though I think Norman was pretty difficult to beat. He kept using Belly Drum and I kept losing. It was awful.
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Old Posted December 15th, 2012 (03:42 AM).
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Tate and Liza that hellish pair I'm used to fighting Gym Leaders pokemon one at a time getting to the tougher ones and swapping out whenever I needed to, but these two are all of that gone. Grrr....
Here is a list of difference between levels with the previous gym Leader (Roxanne is excluded because there is no Gym Leader before her)

#1 - Tate & Liza - 9
#2/3 - Wattson - 5
#3/3 - Flannery - 5
#4 - Brawly - 4
#5 - Juan - 3
#6/7 - Norman - 2
#6/7 - Winona - 2
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Old Posted December 15th, 2012 (04:13 AM).
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Tate and Liza for sure. They always take me ages to beat, especially on Emerald *shudders*
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Old Posted December 21st, 2012 (08:38 PM).
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tate and lisa. i remember the last time i played i kept making save states when i was close to winning XD

i hated wattson as well, there didn't seem to be any ground types when i needed them

norman? as long as i have my trusty combusken it's SO easy
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Old Posted December 23rd, 2012 (06:55 AM).
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Old Posted December 23rd, 2012 (03:37 PM).
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I remember having a pretty hard time with Brawley, since I'm just not crazy about Taillow or Wingull- and so there was no real super-effectiveness in my battle with Brawley.

However, Norman could be pretty hard too, and WINONA.. That Altaria with Earthquake just... caught me WAY off guard.

And Tate/Liza were a decent challenge too. The more I think about it the more I realise how good RSE were in terms of Gym difficulty...
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Old Posted December 23rd, 2012 (09:18 PM).
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Norman was always the battle I dreaded up until him; the only time it took me less than five times to beat him was the one run I was packing a Makuhita / Hariyama (Can't remember what it was) under my belt. Tate & Liza I've also found can be difficult, because you can't exploit their Psychic typing for weakness.
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Old Posted December 23rd, 2012 (09:26 PM).
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No matter how hard I trained my pokemon, I couldn't beat Brawly! It was only after my Combusken was on lv 25 that I beat him.
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Old Posted December 24th, 2012 (01:27 AM).
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Probably Norman; his Slakings always did major damage on my Pokemon whereas none of mine could inflict barely anything on his at all.

Tate and Liza are tricky to beat too. Occasionally.
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Old Posted December 27th, 2012 (05:24 AM). Edited January 2nd, 2013 by Master Xemnas.
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Wattson with his Manectric and his Magneton , that was a pain , cause i took Treecko at the beginning
Also Norman with his Slaking , this pokemon is a beast , 680 total stats , like Ubers
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For me it was a tough decision between Tate&Liza and Norman. Norman's Slaking on Ruby absolutely would demolish my team every time, even Mightyena's Intimidate didn't offer any help. And Tate&Liza were tough for me due to it being a double battle and Surf not doing much to either of them...

But I decided to go for Norman for the sheer amount of times I had to take him on in order to beat him.
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Old Posted December 28th, 2012 (07:45 PM).
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In my opinion, RSE has the easiest gym leaders of all the Pokemon series, so I couldn't make a decision which one is the most difficult one. I think that the rival is the strongest though.
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Old Posted December 29th, 2012 (08:37 PM).
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Really depended on the starter, especially in the beginning couple gyms. Watson was really difficult with Treecko, and sometimes even Torchic. I liked to get Crawdaunt for Tate and Liza. So probably Watson was the most difficult, especially in Emerald.
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Old Posted December 31st, 2012 (10:08 AM).
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Tate & Liza, followed by either Norman or Brawly. I've always had trouble fighting Psychic-type Pokémon.
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Old Posted December 31st, 2012 (10:43 AM).
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NORMAN. I think the game makers thought that since Slaking attacked every other turn, they should make him super strong to make up for it... Well, that just gave me endless hours of frustration between losing to him multiple times and subsequently grinding up my Pokes.... ):
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Definitely Tate and Liza. They took forever to beat. Also, there are the hyper potions. They were really annoying.
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Wow, I didn't know people had so much trouble with Tate and Lisa. For me, it was actually Brawly. I don't really know why, but that Makuhita of his always killed me...
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I recently started to replay Pokemon Emerald and so far I have found Brawley to be the most difficult. I can only wait to see how many times I lose against Norman, Tata and Liza.
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I had a little difficulty with Winona, but I forget why.
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Old Posted January 12th, 2013 (11:09 AM).
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for me it was Wionna and Tate and Liza because when i challenge Wionna my strongest Pokemon was my Blaziken, but she owned it with her bird team rendering the rest of my team useless exept Manectric, but she still managed to beat it, and the Twins just went through my whole team like it was nothing about 3-4 times.
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I know it makes me sound weak but Roxanne's Nosepass was always a pain in the butt! It always used Harden, Rock Tomb and then Rock Throw. If I could jump into the game, I would right-hook it!
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