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Old December 12th, 2012 (04:01 AM).
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Whitney.
Why?
That Miltank.

Sure maybe Clair is hard but Whitney is hard because..
1)Miltank;the rollout combo with milk drink.attract also
2)Fighting is the only weakness and Machop from a trade is the only way you can get one
3)Takes advantage of being a hard gym at low levels
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Old December 12th, 2012 (07:15 AM).
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Whitney?
Okay maybe in the SS/HG version, but I didnt have that much of a trouble with her. (do hate scrappy though. Back in the day before abilities she couldnt stand against my gasthly!
(to be honest she gave me quite a trouble in crystal since I wasnt so knowledgable back in the day)

But for me? I had a real hard battle against Norman (funnily also a Normal type Leader) and Clay.
But I am not sure in clays case since my Group wasnt really effective against fighting Types.
Norman on the other hand was just cheap. At least to me (dont remember if it was Saphire or emerald though)

In anyway I think Normans Pokemons are doped (one hit kill in every round? WTH?)
And the sitrus-fruit was just plain unfair. That thing had enouhgh HP, it didnt need that too!
After all the surfers I spammed it still was alive and kicking ready to mash me up!
I hate slaking
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Old December 12th, 2012 (07:50 AM).
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Well as of now, that I'm a lot more experienced from playing it for 14+ years I don't have any problems really. But back when I had Crystal, which was around 12 years I always had a hard time with Whitney, also in Sapphire I had a problem with Tate & Liz, but that's about it. Norman was a little difficult cos of that Slacking but other than that he was easy. Well actually I had a hard time with a couple of the Kanto leaders in SS. I didn't have an electric Pokemon so Misty's Lapras swept my team... Crobat - Ice Beam, Dragonite - Ice Beam, Typhlosion - Surf, Lapras - Body Slam (mine didn't have Body Slam), Espeon - Body Slam/Surf... But I beat her when I stocked up on full restores lol. Surge was pretty difficult as well, and Brock was a little bit of a challenge.. His Kabutops somehow beat my Lapras and swept half my team. Good thing Dragonite had Aqua Tail.
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Old December 12th, 2012 (11:53 AM).
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Really? Tate and Liz were easy (at least in sapphire. In emerald it was a pain)
WIthney I can only say the same about that. But honestly she was also fun when she tried to roll out against my stone pokemons)

I really didnt play the HG/SS game since..I have sadly only the rom and my comp is so sloooooowpoke...Even a slowpoke could outrun it 10 times! I might give it a try when I get the real deal. Funnily Nobody mentions the dragon leaders Dragan and sandra(I dont know her english name but she was the last leader in GenII and GenIV)
In anyway Clay was strangly hard, maybe because my partners were too slow for Onehitkills.
Man I would be a bad Gym-leader xD

I am kind of interested now, since there really isnt a overall hard Leader.
So how about telling the opinion of who is the hardest leader in their corresponding region
(Taking the younger generation, since lets face it: Gen II was the easiest Generationm ever)
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Old December 12th, 2012 (08:26 PM).
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Thinking back, while I didn't really have a problem beating him at all, Blue (both in GSC and HGSS) would have to be one of the toughest Gym Leaders. He's the only one that doesn't rely on just one type of Pokemon, causing you to need a little bit of strategy going in rather than just sweeping through with one Pokemon with a type-advantage. And aside from rematches, Blue has the highest leveled team when you first face him, which also poses more of a challenge. And while it wasn't the case in the second gen, HeartGold and SoulSilver's version of the Gym was frustrating with all of the floor tiles that moved you in different directions, so you had to put in some effort just to get to the point of battling him.
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Old December 12th, 2012 (09:29 PM).
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Clair was a nightmare for me, especially in SS. No dragons on my team, and the only Ice move I had was Ice Fang on my Feraligatr, which did practically nothing.
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The GSC Whitney was probably the hardest leader. I also had quite amount of trouble with Burgh in White 2.
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I've had a fair share of nightmarish Gym Leaders but the one who takes the cake for me is definitely Clair in HG/SS.

That Kingdra of hers only has a single weakness to Dragon, pretty darn good stats and moves that are able to massacre your whole team due to a combination of high base power and STAB. Also, there is a highly likely chance your team would be lacking a Dragon-type attack at this point meaning you have to just whittle away at her team's health unless if you land a lucky critical hit on her.

Trust me, she always makes me shiver, and I hate battling strong Dragon-types in the game.
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I remember Whitney in GenII being very hard back in the day. Setting the attract, and then rollout was always the way she got me. Clair was tough too back then, but that was somewhat do to my inexperience at the time.

Norman from III was tough too, and I remember getting schooled pretty bad the first time I challenged him
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Old December 13th, 2012 (03:05 AM).
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THANK YOU!

Norman sure knows how to make his children feel bad xD
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Old December 13th, 2012 (04:04 AM).
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I still have nightmares about Whitney´s arceus-forsaken Miltank.

I never been a good grinder so everytime i meet her i am usually a couple levels below her pokémon, and that always made it frustratingly hard for me to beat her.

I hate you, Whitney D:
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Old December 13th, 2012 (04:56 AM).
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Did you try cheating and using the old couple for a while? ;3
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I've always found the normal type gym leaders to be particularly annoying to defeat. Especially the likes of Whitney in GSC and HGSS, and Norman in RSE. Whitney's Miltank dominated my poorly developed team, while Norman's Slakoth/Vigoroth/Slaking (can't remember which ones he had), crushed me.
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Old December 13th, 2012 (05:51 AM).
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I always had trouble with Whitney back in the day; her Miltank is pretty much what transformed me into the grinder I am today (I made it a rule to always have a Lv. 30 starter by the time I reached Goldenrod).

Pokémon was really the franchise that taught me the meaning of patience as a child.
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Old December 13th, 2012 (12:21 PM).
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In terms of the gym puzzle, it's a tie between the Snowpoint and Blackthorn Gyms. In terms of the Leaders themselves, I'd say that Norman was the hardest because of his Slaking.
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Brock in Pokemon Yellow. Quick Attack Pikachu was just not good enough. ;P Koga was pretty hard too in that game, considering he had like a lv. 50 Venemoth.
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Blue rematch in HG/SS. He has a TYRANITAR and RHYPERIOR Lv 70!
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The hardest overall gym for me would have to be Whitney. Oh my god, that Milktank! It used to pummel my team all the time, it took me a good 2 days to complete.
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Old December 16th, 2012 (05:42 AM).
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Whitney and that Miltank of course! 2nd place goes to Brock in Yellow, where in my first run, totally unexpectedly, only had a low level Pikachu went to fight Brock, I lost of course.
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Sabrina in R/B/Y as I stupidly had a Gastly to fight her as Ash had a ghost pokemon in his battle agsinst her. So I lost against her.
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Quote originally posted by Sassy Milkshake:
Brock in Pokemon Yellow. Quick Attack Pikachu was just not good enough. ;P
Early Mankey fixes Brock into his place. Or early Double Kick on Nidoran.

For me, probably the hardest gym was Elesa in BW. her freaking Emolgas just kept Volt Switching around annoying me and dealing damage, and they were double teaming every other second to make sure I couldn't do anything to them! And then I somehow killed them and Zebstrika came out and... Need I say more?
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Quote originally posted by TaichiWind:
Early Mankey fixes Brock into his place. Or early Double Kick on Nidoran.

For me, probably the hardest gym was Elesa in BW. her freaking Emolgas just kept Volt Switching around annoying me and dealing damage, and they were double teaming every other second to make sure I couldn't do anything to them! And then I somehow killed them and Zebstrika came out and... Need I say more?
I feel you man.I caught a roggenrola...Im not really patient when it comes to grinding withought the lucky egg or strong wild pokemon.She still crushed me.

In Black 2,I crushed her with my Sandile.
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I don't think Whitney is bad as long as you've got a plan to go about Miltank. I always paralyze it and then Machop it to death.

For hardest I can't pick one in particular but I'd have to say either...
Norman (R/S) - Dual Slaking Destruction
Tate & Liza (E) - I'm terrible at double battles
Claire (HG/SS) - Stupid Kingdra
Elesa (B/W) - Dual Volt Switch Emolgas, very bad things can happen.
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Sabrina's psychic gym because it had portals and was like a maze. Also, Sabrina episodes from anime had an effect like psychological pressure. You remember those episodes? In one episode Pikachu finally were able to hit her Kadabra then it used Recover :0 And there was a part where Ash got trapped in a doll house iirc. That was creepy too.
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Whitney, Norman, and Clay are real tough trainers, but I am going to have to go with Blue. Good ole Gary Oak who uses all kinds of types. He was the elite four champion shortly, after all.
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