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  #626    
Old December 28th, 2012, 04:22 AM
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OK then!Bye bye staryu!And can you tell where do i get a good rod?I also already have an Exeggcute and slowpoke,btw.
Update #3 is here!!!
Started game and loaded from last save.
Released stare since it is not allowed.
Trained jungle and speedy to level 24
Beat the gym(took three tries)
Got badge and squirt bottle and caught a sudowoodo.
Saved game and closed(duh)
Olivine City Pokemon Center I believe. Its not exactly in an obvious location in that game for whatever reason.

Also, make sure that you look for it at night. Thats the only time you can catch them.
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Last edited by Necrum; December 28th, 2012 at 05:17 AM.
  #627    
Old December 28th, 2012, 12:28 PM
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update 1-

The Mono Type Water Adventure Begin...

booted up my Pokemon Leaf Green Rom
picked Squirtle as the starter named him Grubby after a friend
Battle Rival and won
We ventured to Viridian City got Oak's Parcel and went back and delievered it
Got some poke'balls...continued went to Viridian Forest into Pewter City
Defeated Brock with no problem Grubby leveled to 16 and evolved into Wartortle
Off to Mt. Moon

TEAM WATER-

Name: Grubby
Gender: Male
Nature: Bold

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  #628    
Old December 28th, 2012, 01:51 PM
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Type: Water
Challenge: Single
Game(s): Diamond
Water Pokemon Fanboy!
Challenges
Monotype Water - D + HG
Monotype Poison - HG
Monocolor Blue - D + HG

  #629    
Old December 28th, 2012, 02:33 PM
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I've been busy with Christmas and enjoying the cold-snowy weather, but I guess it's time to stop pushing this update away and just get it done:

Mono-Ice challenge: Crystal

- Started game, named myself Ethan and chose Chikorita so rival would choose Cyndaquil
- Did Elm's errand and encountered ??? then named him Silver
- Hacked in a Lv.3 Wild Sneasel and nicknamed him "Sly"
- Made my way to Violet City and defeated Falkner with ease
- Hacked in a Lv.4 Wild Swinub and nicknamed him "Pumba"
- Climbed up Sprout Tower, then beat the Elder and received Flash
- Made my way south to Union Cave
- Cleared Union Cave and arrived in Azalea Town
- Met Kurt, then kicked Team Rocket's asses out of the Slowpoke Well
- Entered Azalea Gym and battled the gender confused leaderBugsy
- Showed Silver whose boss, then ventured in to Ilex Forest
- Hacked in a Lv.7 Shellder and nicknamed her "Pearl"
- Made it to Goldenrod City and entered the Pit of Hell known as Goldenrod Gym
- Made my way to Whitney, then put that annoying-cheap ass-crybaby in her place
- Hacked in a Lv.10 Lapras and nicknamed him "Plesio"

Well, I don't know when I'll update next, I'm to busy enjoying "Ratchet & Clank" on my new PS3 right now. Oh, and it's a little late but have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone!

Yellow: 8/8l Crystal: 4/16

Ultimate Fairy-Mono Challenge
Kalos: 6/8

Ultimate Mono-Challenges finished:

On Hold:
Dark - on Gen IV lll Flying - on Gen IV lll Ground - on Gen IV
Psychic - on Gen IV lll Steel - on Gen IV
  #630    
Old December 28th, 2012, 02:44 PM
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- Hacked in a Lv.3 Wild Sneasel and nicknamed him "Sly"
- Hacked in a Lv.4 Wild Swinub and nicknamed him "Pumba"
- Hacked in a Lv.7 Shellder and nicknamed her "Pearl"
- Hacked in a Lv.10 Lapras and nicknamed him "Plesio"
I realize that Ice is one of those types that are pretty rare early, but the rule only allows you to hack in one Pokemon in the event that your type can't be found before the third Gym. But hacking 4 is a little excessive, especially since most of those can be caught before the E4. Sneasel is certainly a good choice for your hack, since he can only be found at Mt Silver. But I gotta ask you to stop using 3 of your hacked mons. If you go to Olivine right away you can get a Good Rod and catch a Shellder for your party. The other two you have to wait to catch. Sorry.
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Old December 28th, 2012, 08:20 PM
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Update on Ultimate Monotype Challenge (Psychic).

Update #2 on White 2.

  • Beat the rest of the trainers in the Relic Passage, then defeated Team Plasma on their ship.
  • They ran away like cowards, so I continued from Driftveil City to Route 6, where Cheren gave me Surf.
  • Explored Mistralton Cave and some other areas with Surf, then went through Chargestone Cave to Mistralton City.
  • Astrodoll evolved into Claydol!
  • Headed north to the Celestial Tower, where I caught Gemini the Elgyem.
  • Trained her up on trainers I skipped before, then scaled the tower.
  • Took on the gym, and beat Skyla without much difficulty thanks again to the bulk of Limey.
  • Headed to Lentimas Town on the cargo plane, then went to the Strange House.
  • Gemini evolved into Beheeyem, and Limey evolved into Reuniclus!
  • Explored Reversal Mountain with Bianca and arrived in Undella Town.
  • Caught my fifth team member, Ruby the Staryu.
  • Beat all the trainers I could find in the Bay and on Route 14, then continued on to Route 13 to Lacunosa Town.
  • Bought the Thunder and Blizzard TMs and taught them to Ruby, then moved on to Opelucid Town.
  • Did some vitamin shopping at Shopping Mall Nine, then took on the Opelucid Gym.
  • Drayden was a tough fight, but I eventually prevailed with Gemini as the last one standing.
  • Team Plasma showed up again and froze the city, then the DNA Splicers were stolen.
  • I went back to Undella Bay and dove for the treasure with a Wailord I caught as a Wailmer, then leveled to 41 to learn Dive.
  • More vitamin shopping ensued, then I went through the Marine Tunnel to Humilau City.
  • Took on the gym right away, and Marlon was easy with Limey's Thunder and good bulk.
  • I am saved in Humilau City.
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Team Psy:

Ruby the Calm Staryu - L51 @ Amulet Coin
Ability: Natural Cure
Moves: Surf, Blizzard, Psychic, Thunder

Astrodoll the Relaxed Claydol - L50 @ Soft Sand
Ability: Levitate
Moves: Psychic, Strength, Drill Run, Earth Power

Nazca the Quirky Sigilyph, ♀ - L50 @ TwistedSpoon
Ability: Magic Guard
Moves: Air Slash, Shadow Ball, Psychic, Fly

Gemini the Rash Beheeyem - L50 @ Expert Belt
Ability: Synchronize
Moves: Psychic, Recover, Energy Ball, Calm Mind

Limey the Modest Reuniclus, ♀ - L51 @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Moves: Psyshock, Thunder, Flash, Recover

Former Members:

Tootsie the Adamant Swoobat, ♀ - L29 [boxed]
Ability: Unaware
Moves: Air Cutter, Fly, Heart Stamp, Calm Mind

HM Slaves:

Psyduck - Surf, Strength, Flash, Dig [boxed]
Active Challenges:

FireRed - HeartGold - Emerald - Platinum - Black 2

Completed Ultimate Challenges (through Gen V):
Ultimate Monotype:

Ultimate Monocolor:


Fireheart: L88, L88, L71, L76, L100; Palin: L98, L92, L86, L100, L100
Excalibur: L75, L88, L87, L84, L100; Nagini: L100, L96, L100, L100, L100
  #632    
Old December 28th, 2012, 08:41 PM
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It's already been four days since my last update, and I've made a little progress. I chose Snivy and made my way through the opening, quickly making my way through Acumula and to Straiton, where I had a little trouble defeating Chili but eventually managed and earned my first badge. I kept on going and arrived in Nacrene, evolving Snivy into Servine on the way. I defeated Lenora fairly easily and went on my way. Next I went through the Plasma quest and caught and trained the next two members of my team: Cottonee and Sewaddle. Sewaddle quickly evolved into a Swadloon, and eventually arrived in Castelia. There, I explored some of the city before continuing with the storyline. I was having trouble defeating Burgh's gym so I decided to go back to Pinwheel Forest where I trained some more and evolved Swadloon into Leavanny. I went back and had less trouble with Burgh, defeating him then continuing north to Nimbassa. After I rode the Ferris wheel with N I went on to take on Elesa at her gym. I defeated her with a little trouble and earned my fourth badge. Next I crossed the Driftveil bridge and arrived in Driftveil, where I did some exploring before saving on route 6, where I plan to catch and train my next team member, Deerling, before continuing with the Plasma storyline or the gym challenge.

Servine / Lv31 / Tackle, Mega Drain, Slam, Leaf Tornado
Leavanny / Lv32 / Tackle, Slash, Bug Bite, Razor Leaf
Cottonee / Lv31 / Giga Drain, Leech Seed, Razor Leaf, Mega Drain

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  #633    
Old December 28th, 2012, 09:32 PM
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Would it be okay if I did a Mono-Colour challenge but because I am only going to use Bugs could i count it as Mono-type aswell?
No time to waste, but make your pace It's okay to remove copy and paste
I'm doing my way, you do it your way Don't just follow your left, find the right way.

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  #634    
Old December 28th, 2012, 09:48 PM
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Would it be okay if I did a Mono-Colour challenge but because I am only going to use Bugs could i count it as Mono-type aswell?
I see no reason why not. That seems perfectly reasonable.
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  #635    
Old December 29th, 2012, 03:02 AM
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Olivine City Pokemon Center I believe. Its not exactly in an obvious location in that game for whatever reason.

Also, make sure that you look for it at night. Thats the only time you can catch them.

OK!Thx!Anyway,heres update #4!

Started game and loaded from last save.
Went to Ecruteak and got surf from dude in kimono girl area.
Went to burned tower and battled Soul and fell down and saw suicune.
Got out of the tower an trained speedy and Jungle to level 30.
Battled gym and won!
Saved game and closed(duh)
  #636    
Old December 29th, 2012, 03:59 AM
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Old December 29th, 2012, 05:49 PM
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Heres a question: If I did a Fire Red run with Snorlax would it count for:

Solo
Mono-Colour
Mono-Type?
No time to waste, but make your pace It's okay to remove copy and paste
I'm doing my way, you do it your way Don't just follow your left, find the right way.

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Old December 29th, 2012, 05:53 PM
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Heres a question: If I did a Fire Red run with Snorlax would it count for:

Solo
Mono-Colour
Mono-Type?
Solo and monocolor black, yes. Monotype, no, since there are many normal types available, although he is a great team member for a normal monotype run.
Active Challenges:

FireRed - HeartGold - Emerald - Platinum - Black 2

Completed Ultimate Challenges (through Gen V):
Ultimate Monotype:

Ultimate Monocolor:


Fireheart: L88, L88, L71, L76, L100; Palin: L98, L92, L86, L100, L100
Excalibur: L75, L88, L87, L84, L100; Nagini: L100, L96, L100, L100, L100
  #639    
Old December 29th, 2012, 05:56 PM
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Solo and monocolor black, yes. Monotype, no, since there are many normal types available, although he is a great team member for a normal monotype run.
BUt in the Mono-type it doesn't say I have to used more than 1 pokemon so surely it should?
No time to waste, but make your pace It's okay to remove copy and paste
I'm doing my way, you do it your way Don't just follow your left, find the right way.

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  #640    
Old December 29th, 2012, 06:43 PM
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BUt in the Mono-type it doesn't say I have to used more than 1 pokemon so surely it should?
In order to play a Solo with Snorlax, you would have to hack, which is not allowed in the Monotype challenge unless Pokemon of your type are unavailable before the 3rd gym. Since Ratatta is right outside your front door in that game, hacking would result in disqualification. Sorry.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 03:59 AM
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Update #5 is here!!!! :D

Started game and loaded from last save.
Taught speedy surf.
Went to rock cave and went through using surf and caught a natu,named him Pele.
Went to ecruteak and healed.
Went to route 38 and taught pele shadow ball and then trained pele.
Got pele to level 27 and evolved.
Went to route 39 and then to olivine city.
Searched around and got a good rod!
Went around fishing in goldenrod and found a staryu!(nicknamed it stare)
Trained team to around level 42.
Saved game and closed(duh)

Last edited by razor8771; December 30th, 2012 at 04:09 AM.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:19 AM
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Ok, I started my Fighting Type Challenge back up today. I figured out why my game was acting all f***ed up, it does what mine was doing because, when you hack or cheat the game before you fight the first two trainers, the game will freeze.

^Started HG
^Named myself Locdown
^Went downstairs
^Got all my stuff
^Went to go see Prof. Elm
^Got a Totodile as my starter
^Went to go meet Mr. Pokemon
^Got taken around Cherrygrove
^Got the running shoes
^Got the Map Card
^Went to the berry dudes house
^Got the Apricorn Box
^Met Mr. Pokemon
^Took his egg
^Got the Pokedex
^Went home, skipping as much grass as possible
^Gave the egg to Prof. Elm
^Named my Rival Free


All I had time to do today.

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LG G E P White
LG G E P White

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  #643    
Old December 30th, 2012, 10:16 AM
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Type: Bug
Challenge: Ultimate
Game(s): FireRed, Gold, Emerald, Diamond, White
  #644    
Old December 30th, 2012, 01:55 PM
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Okay I'm gonna start a ground type umc starting in black. I'm gonna go WAY out of my comfort zone and choose ground type. Don't know how well this will go

The games I am playing will be blue,crystal,emerald,platinum,black

Username: Umbreon3055
Type: Ground
Challenge: Ultimate
Games: Blue,C,E,Pt,Black
Catch an Umbreon. You NEED an Umbreon

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  #645    
Old December 30th, 2012, 07:58 PM
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Challenge: (Single or Ultimate): Going for the Ultimate
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  #646    
Old December 30th, 2012, 08:03 PM
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Fighting Ultimate Challenge Johto Update #2
^Watched Lyra catch a pokemon...TWICE.... (Why do we ALWAYS have to watch this?? It lowers my self confidence...... not really, but its boring.)
^Got the Pokeballs
^Checked my map to see how close I was to route 42..... next route please. (Meaning that I am nowhere near it.)
^Checked to see if I was anywhere near any fighting type pokemon. The only close one was Heracross which I have to have Headbutt to get to.....
^Finding a Fighting Type is going to be hard.
^If I can get a Drowzee, and teach it Headbutt then I can get Heracross
^HYPERSPEED-TO-CATCH-A-DROWZEE TIME!!!!
^Got past were my game froze when I cheated in Heracross.
^Went into Violet City
^Went on to Route 36
^Went through the Ruins of Alph
^Went to Route 32
^GAME FROZE WHEN I GOT INTO A BATTLE!!!!
I dont think I can do this challenge anymore in Johto...... Johto hates me, so I will hate it.
Going to skip Johto and come back later. It is my least favorite region after all.
____________________________________________________________________________________
Fighting Ultimate Challenge Hoenn Update #1
The Johto update above explains itself.
Ahhhh. Feels good being in my favorite region, Hoenn!!


^Started Emerald on my VBA
^Went through all the beginning stuffs (ALL of it as you'll see next)
^Chose Torchic as my starter (Combusken and Blaziken are Fighting Types!!! YAY no more hunting for years for one.)
^Beat down Zigzagoon
^Went to the Lab
^Nicked Torchic BlazinFury
^Set out to go meet May
^Lost to May??????????????????????
^That was the most shameful battle of my life.
^Headed back to her to WIN THIS TIME
^Lost again.... (Mudkip hit twice in a row?????)
^Went back to defeat her once and for all!!
^Trained a bit first
^Won
^Went back to the lab
^Got my Pokedex
^Got 5 Pokeballs
^Got my Running Shoes
^Headed out towards Petalburg
^Talked to my dad
^Met Wally
^Taught Wally to catch a Pokemon
^Brought Wally back to the Gym
^Went out to Petalburg Woods
^Made my way through Petalburg Woods
Challenges

K J H S U



Solo
LG G E P White
LG G E P White

Click it if you dare--->Do you dare?
  #647    
Old December 30th, 2012, 09:49 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Route 214
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Nature: Hasty
Username: ShinyHoundoom
Type: Fire
Challenge: (Single or Ultimate) Ultimate
Game(s): Fire Red, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, White 2

I'm starting in Fire Red.
Current Challenges

None

Completed Challenges
Fire Red


Cerberus the Houndoom Solo Challenge Fire Red
  #648    
Old December 30th, 2012, 11:02 PM
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Water mono-type for Pokemon Gold complete! :D

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No time to waste, but make your pace It's okay to remove copy and paste
I'm doing my way, you do it your way Don't just follow your left, find the right way.

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Last edited by Lost Christmas; December 31st, 2012 at 12:02 AM.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 01:06 AM
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STATUS UPDATE #1

Started game
Chose snivy
Did all the prof. J stuff
Went to accumula town
Battled N
Went to striaton city
Got the panpour
Put panpour in pc
Beat gym #1
Did all the fennel stuff
Went to wellspring cave
CAUGHT DRILLBUR party member#1
Put snivy in pc
Went to nacrene city
CAUGHT TYMPOLE party member #2


Team Quake:

Drillbur (Toshiba) Lv. 16
Scratch
Fury swipes
Metal claw
Mud slap

Tympole (Marinus) Lv. 14
Growl
Supersonic
Round
Bubblebeam
Catch an Umbreon. You NEED an Umbreon
  #650    
Old December 31st, 2012, 01:20 AM
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Can I try this?
Username:Ellipsai
Type: Ice
Challenge: Single
Game(s): Platinum

(also, If anyone has any reccomendations for this, It would be appreciated, I might have to AR a poke in maybe?)
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