Pokemon Migrating to Gen 6

[miakalina]

My friend Wiilio brought up migrating Pokemon in Gen 6. I realized that you could migrate from Gen 1 to Gen 2, but not to Gen 3. What if they make it the same way for 4/5/6. Gen 4 to Gen 5, but no transfer to Gen 6?
Would you be okay with this?
Do you have any Pokemon in the current games that you really want to bring to X an Y?

[Captain Fabio]

I am sure there will be a way. Is that not because the handhelds hardware changed a fair bit? Or I am I remembering wrong?

Either way, I am pretty confident that you will be able to migrate your Pokemon over.

[shubshub]

Yea and if we can't I'm going to throw Bricks at Nintendo
Because I Have Like 400+ Pokemon on my Pokemon Black Game...

[Snivysmiley]

I've actually never used migration, but I'd love to transfer from heartgold/soulsilver to gen 6, but I don't care about any other gen 4/5 games, I just want a chikorita in gen 6.

[Suicune™]

Well I can't see Generation III downwards being able to connect in any way with the 3DS having no GBA slot but I could imagine Gen IV & V would have no trouble, which is good because you can get a majority of the Pokemon available from DPPT-B2W2.

[Wiilio]

I dunno how much they pay attention to the fandom and things such as RNG, but if they do, maybe they'll try to blot it out. Assuming they pay attention to things like that, they know that 3DS RNG hasn't been cracked and that we have little chance to crack it as we are now. Furthermore, they know that gens 3-5 have been heavily exploited. So if they want to blot out RNGing, they will not include a way to migrate Pokemon.

On the other hand, they would also know that the fandom would be pretty upset if they can't send their favorites to the new games.

You can't count this out, folks. Remember Gen 3? No way to send Pokemon from Gen 2 to it. If they decide to change the mechanics again, they actually COULDN'T allow for a transfer. It's a definite possibility.

[Kura]

I think it actually might be stand-alone.. just because of all the animation they'd need to fill. Or have the option come after you download content. Dunno how many skeleton types there are going to be in this pokemon world, but a few might be shared like in Stadium. We'll have to see!

[shubshub]

Originally Posted by Kura

I think it actually might be stand-alone.. just because of all the animation they'd need to fill. Or have the option come after you download content. Dunno how many skeleton types there are going to be in this pokemon world, but a few might be shared like in Stadium. We'll have to see!

Well seeing as all Transferring does is Transfer the Statistics of a Pokemon and the Species Name of the Pokemon I can't see it being all that hard to Allow us to Migrate

All it has to do is Apply those Statistics to the 3D Model of the Species Name that was Transferred
And I Highly Doubt they will Revamp IV's Like they did in Gen III
(The IV Revamping was the Reason you couldn't migrate plus You Couldn't Link a GBC to a GBA)

[Wiilio]

You could put a GBC game into a GBA. That wasn't an issue.

And you can "highly doubt" it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it's always a possibility. If they can do it once, they can do it again. We have little idea of what to expect from this gen. I think it's safe to say we need to be prepared to expect the unexpected.

[SaniOKh]

Originally Posted by Wiilio

You could put a GBC game into a GBA. That wasn't an issue.

The cart slot was not the issue. The fact that GBA games could not work with GB/GBC link cables was.

[Deokishisu]

The 3DS can already read data from the current generation with the Dream Radar, so at least we've got that going for us.

I'd say that the only way we're not getting migration is if the base mechanics of Pokemon are changing. Things like how stats work, or experience, or IVs and EVs and such. Though, with how groundbreaking this generation looks, I wouldn't be surprised if we got an overhaul just like that that breaks compatibility.

Originally Posted by SaniOKh

The cart slot was not the issue. The fact that GBA games could not work with GB/GBC link cables was.

Actually, that wasn't the issue. The fact that the data structures of the Pokemon were completely different between Gen I-II and Gen III was the issue. The mechanics overhaul in Gen III that's stayed with us 'til now was the main factor in not allowing GBC to GBA transfers.

In fact, if it weren't for extra unused/redundant bytes in Gen I's Pokemon data structure, Gen I to Gen 2 trades wouldn't've happened either, as Gen 2 needed those extra bytes to save a Pokemon's hold items and splitting up the Special stat into Special Attack and Special Defense. That's why when you trade a Pokemon back to Gen I with a hold item attached to it, when it gets back to a Gen II game, it has the same item.

[shubshub]

Originally Posted by Deokishisu

The 3DS can already read data from the current generation with the Dream Radar, so at least we've got that going for us.

I'd say that the only way we're not getting migration is if the base mechanics of Pokemon are changing. Things like how stats work, or experience, or IVs and EVs and such. Though, with how groundbreaking this generation looks, I wouldn't be surprised if we got an overhaul just like that that breaks compatibility.

Even if we do I'm Sure they would make some way to "Re-Roll" the Stats that got Overhauled
People would Probably throw Bricks at Game Freak otherwise

[Wiilio]

Originally Posted by SaniOKh

The cart slot was not the issue. The fact that GBA games could not work with GB/GBC link cables was.

So put the GBC game into one GBA, and put the GBA game into another GBA, and link them with a GBA cable. Unless the GBA cables didn't work with GBC games, and I'm pretty sure they did.

The real reason was that the mechanics changed, anyway.z

[shubshub]

Originally Posted by Wiilio

So put the GBC game into one GBA, and put the GBA game into another GBA, and link them with a GBA cable. Unless the GBA cables didn't work with GBC games, and I'm pretty sure they did.

The real reason was that the mechanics changed, anyway.z

Just Remember

The GBC Link Cable did the following

Player 1 Pokemon was Sent through Cable...
Player 1 Pokemon Fully Sent
Player 2 Pokemon was Sent through Cable...
Player 2 Pokemon Fully Sent

The GBA Link Cable did the following
Player 1 Pokemon was Sent through Cable...
Player 2 Pokemon was Sent through Cable...
Player 1 Pokemon was Recieved
Player 2 Pokemon was Recieved

[Sydian]

I don't see any reason why gen 6 wouldn't be able to trade or migrate with V. I don't think they'll be making any major changes to the IV/EV or nature system, which is why we can't trade/migrate from gen I and I to anything III and beyond.

I'm hoping we can trade instead of migrate. There was no reason that gen IV and V couldn't trade honestly, and that migrating game was awful. Just let us trade and keep it simple. Of course, following gen I and II trading rules by no new Pokemon or moves or items. Not hard, really.

[shubshub]

Originally Posted by Sydian

I don't see any reason why gen 6 wouldn't be able to trade or migrate with V. I don't think they'll be making any major changes to the IV/EV or nature system, which is why we can't trade/migrate from gen I and I to anything III and beyond.

I'm hoping we can trade instead of migrate. There was no reason that gen IV and V couldn't trade honestly, and that migrating game was awful. Just let us trade and keep it simple. Of course, following gen I and II trading rules by no new Pokemon or moves or items. Not hard, really.

Yea allow us to trade like you could do with Gen I to Gen II (You could send the Pokemon forward and back at will as long as it didnt know any new moves of course)

[jsa0603]

Originally Posted by Sydian

I don't see any reason why gen 6 wouldn't be able to trade or migrate with V. I don't think they'll be making any major changes to the IV/EV or nature system, which is why we can't trade/migrate from gen I and I to anything III and beyond.

I'm hoping we can trade instead of migrate. There was no reason that gen IV and V couldn't trade honestly, and that migrating game was awful. Just let us trade and keep it simple. Of course, following gen I and II trading rules by no new Pokemon or moves or items. Not hard, really.

I honestly really REALLY hope the IV and EV system get revamped.

[Deokishisu]

Originally Posted by shubshub

Even if we do I'm Sure they would make some way to "Re-Roll" the Stats that got Overhauled
People would Probably throw Bricks at Game Freak otherwise

There was no way to reroll the stats of a Gen I-II Pokemon to make it fit into Gen III, I doubt they'd translate it for this generation shift if the mechanics are overhauled. X and Y are supposed to be an evolution of Pokemon, which could imply that we're leaving the old generations behind.

Also, I edited my previous post with more points, goodness y'all post fast!

[shubshub]

Originally Posted by Deokishisu

There was no way to reroll the stats of a Gen I-II Pokemon to make it fit into Gen III, I doubt they'd translate it for this generation shift if the mechanics are overhauled. X and Y are supposed to be an evolution of Pokemon, which could imply that we're leaving the old generations behind.

Also, I edited my previous post with more points, goodness y'all post fast!

The GBA and GBC Are also extremely Old Technology now and the 3DS is the Latest Technology I'm sure they will let us Reroll the stats if they are Revamped

[iTeruri]

I think we'll be able to transfer our old Pokémon either trough download play (as is done when transfering from generation IV to V) or trough a downloadable 3DS app (insert old gamecart, start app, select what Pokémon to transfer, these are removed from the generation IV game, switch game cards, reboot app and send the new Pokémon). If the games are indeed downloadable E-Shop titles and transfering works via an app, you might not even need to switch game cards (the app could read and write to the downloaded game, so you only have to insert your old game).

[Deokishisu]

Originally Posted by shubshub

The GBA and GBC Are also extremely Old Technology now and the 3DS is the Latest Technology I'm sure they will let us Reroll the stats if they are Revamped

It wasn't a tech issue, it was a translation issue. They've showed us that they're okay with breaking compatibility before which makes me think they won't hesitate to do it again.

Honestly, I'd be okay with it. With the way the metagame is now with the current IV and EV system, very few Pokemon can survive an assault for more than three turns. I wouldn't mind if a new system let us bulk up Pokemon a bit more. I don't want GSC stall, but it shouldn't be "whoever hits hardest and fastest" wins. A new system which slows down the metagame would be super welcome from me.

I left my GSC Pokemon behind, I can leave these behind too. (Though I was hoping to migrate my Sapphire Pokemon up into a Sapphire remake. Oh well!)

[shubshub]

Originally Posted by Deokishisu

It wasn't a tech issue, it was a translation issue. They've showed us that they're okay with breaking compatibility before which makes me think they won't hesitate to do it again.

Honestly, I'd be okay with it. With the way the metagame is now with the current IV and EV system, very few Pokemon can survive an assault for more than three turns. I wouldn't mind if a new system let us bulk up Pokemon a bit more. I don't want GSC stall, but it shouldn't be "whoever hits hardest and fastest" wins. A new system which slows down the metagame would be super welcome from me.

I left my GSC Pokemon behind, I can leave these behind too. (Though I was hoping to migrate my Sapphire Pokemon up into a Sapphire remake. Oh well!)

Well If I can't transfer my 400+ Pokemon from Black to Pokemon Y Version then I'll throw Bricks at Game Freak
Plus if we can't Migrate that will Ultimately Confirm
RGBY Remakes for 3DS
GSC Remakes for 3DS
RSE Remakes for 3DS
DPPt Remakes for 3DS
and BW/BW2 Remakes for 3DS

And they Won't do that So its Not Happening We Will be Able to Migrate our Pokemon Atleast for A Few More Generations atleast

I Can't Bear to leave my Awesome Pokemon Behind I Have too Many of them

and Plus too many fans would rage and Game Freak would have to release an Update to allow us to Transfer our Pokemon

[Mac]

Migrating Pokemon should be no problem, I'd assume though we'd have to do 4-> 5-> 6. D:

[Wiilio]

Or, it will ultimately mean they will put Pokemon from multiple gens in one region (which they do anyway).

Deokishisu, you bring up a very good point. I immediately thought about RBY EVs, where you could max out the EVs of every stat. That'd be pretty cool to see again, honestly. It would encourage people to actually level their Pokemon naturally instead of with Rare Candies.

[SaniOKh]

Originally Posted by Wiilio

So put the GBC game into one GBA, and put the GBA game into another GBA, and link them with a GBA cable. Unless the GBA cables didn't work with GBC games, and I'm pretty sure they did.

GBA cables didn't work with GBC games, because GBA and GBC had different communication protocols (basically, they didn't send the same signals to sync up the connection, send and receive data, make sure the other party is still connected etc) . The reason why GBA could use GBC cables when it had a GBC cart in it was that GBA basically had a built-in GBC, complete with a second processor and everything. The built-in GBC had the means to know it was running on a GBA (hence the bonus stores in Zelda Oracle games when the game was played on a GBA) and could use the triggers to resize the screen, but other than that it could only behave as a regular GBC and could not use any of the GBA features (including the GBA's communication protocol).

Anyways, I am one of those who doubt the EV/IV system will be revamped. I just don't see the reason why they would do that. I bet they'll release a 3DS app that retrieves Pokémon from Gen 5 and puts them on Gen 6.

EDIT: Besides, and that's the programmer in me speaking, if they technically have the means to transfer Pokémon from one Gen to the other, even if they revamp the EV/IV system, nothing prevents them from reading a Gen 5 Pokémon, converting its EVs/IVs, recalculating its stats and, if the Pokémon is egregiously hacked, reset the stats to average (or weak) values as a punishment. They have the means: the Dream Radar app proves that 3DS apps can interact with DS games and alter saves, and I bet they can do the same with 3DS games.