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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Four Stone Age people found in caves in China could be a entirely new species of humanoid - and the discovery 'opens a new chapter' in the history of evolution, say archaeologists.

The fossils, found in two caves, belong to a previously unknown Stone Age people and have a 'highly unusual' mixture of ancient and modern features.
Named the 'Red Deer people' because of the animals they hunted and dating from between 14,500 to 11,500 years ago, they are the youngest humanoid fossils to be found in Asia.
Previously it had been thought that early humans had little competition in the continent.

The 'Red Deer' discovery has ‘startling implications for the early peopling of Asia’, said Professor Curnoe, of the University of New South Wales.
They would have shared the land with modern looking humans at a time when China's earliest farming culture was beginning, he said.
Writing in journal PLoS One, Prof Curnoe explained: ‘These new fossils might be of a previously unknown species, one that survived until the very end of the Ice Age around 11,000 years ago.
He said: ‘The discovery of the red-deer people opens the next chapter in the human evolutionary story - the Asian chapter - and it's a story that's just beginning to be told.’

‘Alternatively, they might represent a very early and previously unknown migration of modern humans out of Africa, a population who may not have contributed genetically to living people.’

Three sets of remains were found at Maludong - Red Deer Cave' - in the Yunnan province in 1989. They were unstudied until 2008.

A fourth was found in 1979 a cave near the village on Lonling in neighbouring Guangxi Zhuang province. It was encased in rock until 2009.
The skulls and teeth from both finds are very similar to each other and show an unusual mixture of archaic and modern anatomical features, as well as previously unseen characteristics.

Scientists have named them 'red deer people' because evidence suggests that they hunted extinct red deer and cooked them in the Maludong cave.
Until the discovery, no fossils younger than 100,000 years old had been found in mainland east Asia other than those of our own species, Homo sapiens.
This suggested that Homo sapiens had the run of the area which was devoid of our evolutionary ancestors once the first humans appeared.
But the new find suggests this may not have been the case.
Professor Ji Xueping, of the Yunnan Institute of Cultural Relics and Archeology, said: ‘Because of the geographical diversity caused by the Qinghai-Tibet plateau, south-west China is well known as a biodiversity hotspot and for its great cultural diversity.

‘That diversity extends well back in time.’
In the last ten years scientists have discovered the enigmatic 'Hobbit' fossil in Asia as well as evidence modern humans interbred with ancient Denisovans, a species from Siberia.
The latest find shows there is more to learn from the continent, said Prof Curnoe.
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An entirely new species of human, only around 11k years old is insane to think about and has earth-shaking implications for our historical timetable of human evolution.


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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:43 PM
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At first I thought this thread was going to be about a new species of human they've found hiding away in caves for thousands of years.

But wow, that is incredible. Hopefully an artist will sketch an interpretation of what this human species may have looked like.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 11:44 PM
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Who bets it is a hoax? Anyway on a serious note, this is quite amazing and like previously stated, this could really shake up the theory of evolution.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 07:28 AM
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Wow, this is pretty major. You just never know what you might find, amazing how new discoveries shake up what we think we know. I think it's an amazing discovery. It is rather interesting to think that another species of human was walking alongside us 11,000 years ago.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 09:27 AM
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It's nice to see that we are making progress searching for the truth of our origins. Hopefully it is not a hoax but I guess time will tell.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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I don't think it's a hoax. We know there have been several migrations out of Africa so it stands to reason there could be more than we know about.

Kinda neat to think that we humans aren't just one long branch on the tree of evolution, but possibly something more like a vine that wraps around others.

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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:19 PM
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Oh, wow! When I read the title I was expecting a new human species living in China, but I guess this is cool too. This is really amazing. I don't really know what else to say, but I wanted to reply because I just found this to be really interesting. I hope it's not a hoax!
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Old October 9th, 2012, 10:07 PM
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Who bets it is a hoax? Anyway on a serious note, this is quite amazing and like previously stated, this could really shake up the theory of evolution.
It would be awfully hard to fake those bones they dug up. It doesn't shake the theory up, it only further validates it.
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Old October 21st, 2012, 04:52 AM
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Could this be the same species as the remains they found a few years ago in the same area?
They called it the hobbit or something similar because she was very small despite being a fully grown adult (or so they suspect).

This is very interesting, I want to know what the "Highly unusual mix of ancient and modern features" are. Anybody have any clues?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Could this be the same species as the remains they found a few years ago in the same area?
They called it the hobbit or something similar because she was very small despite being a fully grown adult (or so they suspect).

This is very interesting, I want to know what the "Highly unusual mix of ancient and modern features" are. Anybody have any clues?
The 'Hobbit' was discovered further South/Southeast, in Indonesia somewhere. Java or Borneo if I'm not mistaken.
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Who bets it is a hoax? Anyway on a serious note, this is quite amazing and like previously stated, this could really shake up the theory of evolution.
Yo it's not fake. They are made in China yo.

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Who bets it is a hoax? Anyway on a serious note, this is quite amazing and like previously stated, this could really shake up the theory of evolution.
I think this could be a possibility(The hoax part), but this reminds me of a city they are still excavating that they are saying is older than they thought civilization began.

If its real its a very exciting discovery.
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so is this the so-called missing link? I can't wait to see what else they find.

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Well that's interesting.
I agree, it certainly could change theories of evolution. I myself don't believe in it, but I'm interested to see where this discovery will lead. At this point, from what I know, there is no actual proof of evolution. Perhaps this will be used as a sort of proof in the future. Oddly enough, I haven't seen anything on the news or internet about this until now.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 10:43 PM
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Interesting.

Apparently a few scientists think they may not be a "new" historical evolution or a new species, but might be the result of interbreeding between Denisova and modern humans. Which, I think would still be something substantial since it's transitionary.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:37 AM
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so is this the so-called missing link? I can't wait to see what else they find.
There isn't a missing link, technically. There is no arbitrary point in the evolution of humans that is a perfect transitional fossil. Many small changes, over hundreds and hundreds of generations, is the real missing link.
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A new human species, interesting.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:53 AM
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That's an amazing find, I find it fascinating how much our understanding of early humans has changed in the last few decades, and even in the last few years.

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so is this the so-called missing link? I can't wait to see what else they find.
There are no true "links" in evolution, unless you were to treat every individual of a species to manifest a beneficial mutation for the first time to be a "link" - as that would include millions of individuals. This is just another branch of the human species that existed far earlier than we thought possible without becoming integrated in the modern gene pool of humans.

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