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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:32 PM
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I'll sum this up real quick.

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Idle No More is an ongoing protest movement originating among the Aboriginal peoples in Canada comprising the First Nations, Metis and Inuit peoples and their non-Aboriginal supporters in Canada, and to a lesser extent, internationally. It has consisted of a number of political actions worldwide, inspired in part by the hunger strike of Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence[1] and further coordinated via social media. A reaction to alleged abuses of indigenous treaty rights by the current federal government, the movement takes particular issue with the recent omnibus bill Bill C-45.[2][3]
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...A CN rail spokesman confirmed reports that protesters had blocked the main line in Manitoba, near Portage la Prairie. “We have stopped train traffic in the immediate area, and have obtained a court injunction,” Jim Feeny said.

A small group of people identified as members of the American Indian Movement were photographed blocking the CN rail line in Manitoba. Some members of the AIM, a militant group involved in the 1973 standoff at Wounded Knee, do not recognize the U.S.-Canada border.

Also Wednesday, VIA passenger trains in both directions were stopped by a blockade in the Marysville area, between Belleville and Kingston, where Tyendinaga Mohawks had pledged to block the line. Passengers whose itineraries require them to pass through the site of the blockade will be accommodated with ground transportation, VIA said in a statement.

The demonstrations were only a few of many planned for across the country. According to witnesses and news reports, protests were being held and roads blocked Wednesday in locations from coast to coast. ...
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So basically, Canada's First Nations are protesting to attempt to gain rights, and now they've gone as far as blocking off roads and trains. Do you think that Canada's First Nations are doing the right things by protesting in this way? Keep in mind this began as a simple hunger strike in Ottawa to get the attention of the Prime Minister, and after back-and-fourth talking, a meeting between the First Nations and Stephen Harper eventually fell apart.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 10:57 PM
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They have the right to protest. However they think will get them the most positive yet biggest attention is up to them.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 03:40 AM
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So basically, Canada's First Nations are protesting to attempt to gain rights, and now they've gone as far as blocking off roads and trains. Do you think that Canada's First Nations are doing the right things by protesting in this way? Keep in mind this began as a simple hunger strike in Ottawa to get the attention of the Prime Minister, and after back-and-fourth talking, a meeting between the First Nations and Stephen Harper eventually fell apart.
Interesting. I haven't heard about these protests, so I'll have to do some reading up, but I'll say the same thing I always say about protests: they're not supposed to be convenient for the people being protested. If their voices don't get heard, then the protest is meaningless, which is probably what happened with the hunger strike. It didn't affect anyone else, so it was easier to ignore.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 09:20 AM
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They have the right to protest. However they think will get them the most positive yet biggest attention is up to them.
That's probably the most important point right there. They have the attention, but if they're cutting off services like this to prove a point, it's just going to annoy people.
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Interesting. I haven't heard about these protests, so I'll have to do some reading up, but I'll say the same thing I always say about protests: they're not supposed to be convenient for the people being protested. If their voices don't get heard, then the protest is meaningless, which is probably what happened with the hunger strike. It didn't affect anyone else, so it was easier to ignore.
The Hunger Strike fell apart rather fast, but they're still doing it anyways. Well, it's not an entire food strike for those involved, it's just a liquid-only diet. But anyways, convenience is the key to this one. They have a good reason for protesting, it's just that the government isn't really doing much right now. In fact, the media are giving them more attention and spreading their cause than the Government is giving them in talking and whatnot.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 10:02 AM
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In fact, the media are giving them more attention and spreading their cause than the Government is giving them in talking and whatnot.
That's good news. The American media likes to gloss over a lot of political protests, like the recent Black Friday Walmarts protests (almost no mention in mainstream news outlets). Same goes for the Strikedebt, an Occupy Wallstreet offshoot.
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Well, Idle No More was actually about Navigable Waters Protection Act as a number of said waters cross through indigenous territory at some point. The movement has kind of ballooned a bit now into a native rights movement and the original founder of Idle No More isn't too fond of her movement (which was largely environmental and focused on the waterways) being piggybacked upon and the message muddied.

So, with that said there's a lot of different aspects to this movement. On the environmental protection of the waterways, I'm mixed. I'm not fond of the perceived reduction in environmental protection, but at the same time... it's more like a reduction in the Federal government's jurisdiction. The same waterways are still under the authority of the Provincial and Municipal governments and they can sort things out with the First Nations people as needed. It could be seen more as a reduction in levels of redundancy, focusing primarily on waterways that cross provincial borders. Whether that is beneficial or not is debateable. I'm not sure myself. Plus, the Federal government uploaded protection of some additional parkland onto its jurisdiction, which kinda puts a hamper into a broad-brushed "they don't care about the environment" argument.

The bigger issue, I think, even if it isn't what the movement was intended to be about, is the state of the native reservations and territory. They simply aren't acceptable. We wouldn't tolerate it for anyone else in this country. They aren't livable. What's up for debate is the potential solution. I don't think more money from the levels of government would work. They do get a lot as it is. The audit of Attawapiskat alone should make that clearly apparent. The problem isn't money, it is management and oversight. Inadequate policies and practices within these communities that prevent necessary infrastructure from being built and resources from reaching people. That's what needs to be improved. Send in project managers and knowledgeable, experienced people in city-building to get this on track.

And then there's the Chief Spence aspect. She was all for the media coverage when she stared her hunger strike... until the audit came out. Then she was against media coverage. She also doesn't seem to have a full understanding of who she should be talking to and why. Prime Minister, sure. The Governor General and the Queen though? No. (First of why would you have both the Governor General and the Queen present when the Governor General acts on behalf of the Queen?) And threatening not to meet with the Prime Minister unless the other said parties are present, just shows real arrogance on her part (and she didn't show up at a meeting of the Prime Minister and 100 other First Nations chiefs). The Governor General, if he were to partake in a meeting, legally can only act as a listener. He does not have the authority to discuss issues or negotiate. The issue resides with Parliament and the Courts, not the Sovereign. So, she can wait all she wants but she's simply doing herself and her cause a disservice.

For the protests, in addition to the blockages there were some peaceful demonstrations. I have no problem with those. But the transit blockages could potentially have an economic impact (no matter how brief or recoverable) on both Canada and the United States and should not be tolerated in such a situation. However, the blockages were very temporary and more of an inconvenience to traffic than trade, so I don't think it as large a problem. But, I don't think you should be inconveniencing people either and holding people hostage.
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They have a right to protest the rape of their lands by white men. So do the native tribes in the lower 48 United States. Only problem is that the damage is done, and has been for over a century now.
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