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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:03 PM
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I wasn't in the least bit surprised that this didn't end up being Hoenn remakes - that's what I had come to expect anyway. And, if anything, I'm relieved.

The thing is - Pokemon had to make the switch to the 3DS. There was no way they could not do that. Switching to a new platform creates a bunch of new opportunities AND a bunch of new problems. It's pretty much guaranteed that the first game(s) on the new platform are going to have at least some problems, and it's likely that they'll be a bit short on content, since GF is going to have to invest much more time and resources than usual into bug-squashing and is going to have that much less time and resources left over for extensive gameplay elements. There's just really no way around that.

It wouldn't do anybody any good - either GF or the fans - if they pushed out RSE remakes as the first titles on the 3DS. They have to get something out just to get a feel for the platform, and the obvious thing to do is a new generation of main series games. THEN, in whatever order, they can do the third (or third and fourth, or whatever) versions of those games AND the long awaited, much anticipated and absolutely guaranteed to be immensely profitable Hoenn remakes.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:08 PM
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Yeah, plus I'm sure if they ever get to the remakes that it would look absolutely stunning by that point since they would have played around with the 3DS for a while to be able to make it look really good.

I mean just look at Gen IV for an example, comparing the graphics from D/P to HG/SS. HG/SS looked much better IMO, so if remakes are potentially to come later in the generation then it would look even better. I wasn't even sure of how to react imagining running around Hoenn in full 3D like this, but it will just make it look even more beautiful. It'll allow us to look at Hoenn from a different perspective.

Either way, I haven't really thought of these much since Z and Y were revealed. I'm just really excited for X and Y now. Once they are out and finished with is when I will probably start getting back into thinking about the remakes, there is really no point now because the EARLIEST we will see them is 2014 (though, I think 2015 is a better estimate). They aren't coming this year though, to those who were saying that. That's a pretty absurd statement.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:38 PM
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Alright, I'll break character for a moment. With the reveal of X and Y, I'd actually be interested in seeing an R/S remake. Don't gasp too hard, now.

I mean, Generation 3 is where I stopped playing the trainer games, but it had nothing to do with the games themselves. I really loved the 3rd generation of Pokemon, and I thought Houen was a really cool region. I just burnt out, is all. But to see my favorite region again in 3D would at least make for interesting video watchin'. Hopefully they polish up the polygons, though. Yeesh.

I still think endless remakes and sequels are at best a seedy money grab, but I dunno. I wouldn't even want to see Kanto/Johto in 3D. But there's something about Houen that has a lot of potential to me. Unless X/Y covers a lot of the same environmental territory, then I guess that's that.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 03:14 AM
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Hoenn has so much potential in 3D, with all those Watery Routes and with it being a Tropical region it would just be a dream to see in today's graphics.

Also, X and Y haven't even been finalized in terms of graphics so it can only improve from here on out and based on what I've seen so far, I'm really impressed with the 3DS graphics so I can only imagine how much I would admire Hoenn in those graphics.

With X & Y being the first released for generations, that puts Remakes in a better position because now, these games can act as testing grounds and for any problems that occur they can sort them out for any future releases on the 3DS.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:05 AM
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Exactly. I always imagined revisiting Hoenn in a top view overworld view, not in complete 3D but now that it sunk in I am totally glad we haven't got the remakes yet because Hoenn in a fully 3D environment would be stunning. And yes, the graphics can only improve from here on out.

Hoenn has A LOT of potential in 3D, more than any other region IMO.

But now I'm just going to focus on X and Y, there is no point of focusing on these remakes that are still a few years away now.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:39 AM
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Old January 9th, 2013, 11:27 AM
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(Gen II and I may have been cut off from Gen III and on but it is as just as much of a hassle to have to trade through 3+ gens to get your old to what the current may be; if somehow it retained backwards compatibility up until 6 and beyond)
I wish that HG/SS had brought back the Time Capsule system from GSC so that Pokémon imported from FR/LG could be returned there and then traded to RSE like Pokémon (probably only Kanto ones, though; I haven't really played Gen. II…) found in GSC can be traded back to RBGY. That would have solved a lot of problems, don't you think?
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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:56 PM
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Of course, there is also the technical question of if that's even possible? As far as I'm aware, it wouldn't have been... but then again, when you use Pal Park, the game erases the Pokemon from the old game, so who knows?
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Old January 9th, 2013, 07:30 PM
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I hope that they happen, but It seems to me that Nintendo's past the remake phase. We had two great opportunities for RSE remakes and instead we got sequels to B&W and Generation VI. If they don't make Hoenn remakes after X&Y, I don't think they'll ever happen.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 11:09 AM
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I'd give it until 2014/15 after we've had the "third" game for X & Y assuming there is one but if they move onto Generation VII without any remakes, I wouldn't hold out much hope. I know it's jumping ahead but now that we've moved onto the 3DS it's impossible to migrate from RSE to what will be the current games. Anyway I'm more focused on learning about new information on X and Y right now.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 01:23 PM
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The games may come out before the third game, it happened with emerald, i wouldn't give up hope yet, their not too far out of range to release these the games
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Old January 14th, 2013, 10:19 AM
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I guess we just have to wait until next year or the following, at least we'll have new mons and a new region to keep us busy in the mean time.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 11:33 AM
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Does Hoenn even need remakes? In a few years people who like Sinnoh will keep bugging everyone for remakes as well and of course it won't make any sense because Sinnoh is already made in semi-3D and looks pretty damn good.

I could argue some points for a Hoenn remake:

- Graphics.
- Playing through Hoenn with 6th gen mechanics.

That's basically all there is to it, and IMO, that's too little for a remake.

For a remake to be worth it, they have to add something. FRLG had the Sevii Islands. HGSS had the Safari Zone, rematches with gym leaders and E4, many ways to catch Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokémon, new Viridian Forest, ability to catch the legendary birds, Battle Frontier... It was a ton of stuff. HGSS was the game I believe Gamefreak would've made if they had the resources back in 1999.

Hoenn, I believe, was fully fleshed in Emerald. It's a quite long game and there's a lot to do, because of the long routes and very long gaps between badges (from second to third, and from third to fourth, you have to do much traveling). The post-game isn't as extensive as in other games because of it. There's the Sky Pillar, the Regis (which I think you can catch before the E4), ability to catch both Groudon and Kyogre, Latios and Latias, and the Battle Frontier. That's not a lot to do, compared to Platinum (which has a new island to explore) and HGSS (the whole of Kanto, as well as tons of legendaries), and even FRLG (Four Island and beyond, E4 rematch). But it's what they could add to the world without making an exceedingly long game. What else could they add to Hoenn? An island to catch Sinnoh Pokémon?

Plus there's the fact that, after starting another playthrough of it, I realized it really wasn't that good of a game... It has some glaring difficulty issues. For example, the third gym uses Electric Pokémon, but the only Ground Pokémon you can find before Wattson is Geodude. In FRLG, for example, you can find Geodude, Sandshrew, and naturally Diglett. Before Flannery you can have Geodude, maybe fish for a Tentacool, or Gyarados (although Gyarados sucks in 3rd gen because it can't do crap with Water moves). It's quite ironic that the generation that introduced the most Water Pokémon has so few options before the Fire gym... It seems like they wanted to force you to start with Mudkip.

Also, many of the new Pokémon introduced at the beginning of the game learn worthless moves by level up. Seedot and Lotad are very hard to raise (if you want a Grass type you have to catch a Shroomish, which is redundant if you started with Torchic), Ralts is stopped dead by the ever so common Poochyena, both evolutions of Wurmple are horrible, Marill has incredibly poor attacking stats... I see people complaining about Purrloin in BW, heck I'd rather have Purrloin than some of the Pokémon they give you at the beginning in Hoenn. You only find good Pokémon after the first badge (Taillow becomes more common and Abra is introduced), but Abra is annoying to raise until evolution. I got to a point in the game where I literally didn't know what to use because everything would become worthless later on, and I always end up with Taillow, Aron/Geodude, Electrike, maybe Ralts. Considering they give you the ability to choose between 200 Pokémon in Hoenn, that's a real lack of variety, either that or all the good Pokémon come really late into the game.

I don't know, I just don't find Hoenn very enjoyable to play through... It seems the game wasn't very well thought out and they wanted to make a beautiful landscape but didn't make it very accessible.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 12:14 PM
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If Game Freak makes those RSE remakes we all want (and need), they should extend the Hoenn dex, just like how they extended the Sinnoh dex in Pokemon Platinum. And if they do, they should add the Gen 4 evos/prevos of the Hoenn dex Pokes (Chingling, Rhyperior, Roserade, Gallade, etc.) as well as other interesting lines, like those of Gastly, Elekid, Magby, Tangela, Houndour, and Togepi.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:58 PM
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I could pretty much say the same for HGSS. All we really got were some updated graphics and a few new things such as the Safari zone. We could get all the Johto Pokemon through Generation 3, it would have been a lot of work but it is possible.

The same goes for Hoenn Pokemon. It's a lot of work to capture all the Hoenn Pokemon, nearly as much work as is it was to get Johto Pokemon during Gen 4.

Of course getting Remakes all depends on what Pokemon are made available in X and Y.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 05:35 PM
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I don't know, I just don't find Hoenn very enjoyable to play through... It seems the game wasn't very well thought out and they wanted to make a beautiful landscape but didn't make it very accessible.
Wouldn't that be a perfect reason to give it a second playthrough(ala remakes)? Though they were my favorites of the series to date, even I felt like the Hoenn story was flawed in some areas(one of the obvious things being their motives to a degree) and could do with some touching up. Along with the visuals being updated(which would serve Hoenn exceptionally well because of it's natural feel; Fortree City treehouses, Sootopolis City inside of a crater, the soot falling near Fallarbor Town, etc.) this could be an opportunity to erase (some of) that odd hate towards Gen III and for it to be more of an improvement than just visuals(which remakes should be anyways).

Just as Johto got some new areas(though I agree with others on that argument about HGSS not being needed but...yea), Hoenn also had plenty of inaccessible islands/areas located on the map that they could throw in some extras with.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 06:07 PM
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I was really disappointed that they announced X and Y instead of R/S/E remakes. I really loved 3rd gen and I wanted remakes so badly
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Old January 18th, 2013, 06:52 PM
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Maybe they will give a Hoenn remake for the 3DS?

Because the remakes went like this, so maybe this could be a pattern?

Gen I remake = Gameboy Advanced
Gen II remake = Nintendo DS
Gen III remake = Nintendo 3DS?

I sure hope they will do this. Hoenn would look AMAZING with the graphics of Gen VI.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 07:17 PM
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Maybe next its the next game, cos...

Gen I remakes: after Gen III game
Gen II remakes: after Gen IV game
Gen III remakes: Suposedly be after Gen V game, but I sense Game Freak trolling us and so its after the Gen VI game?

But then again... the're already some kind of connectivity between all of the games, Pal Park and all that Pokemon transfer good stuff.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 01:37 PM
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Once X & Y have been released, RS Remakes will be high in demand, higher than any point infact. It was pretty split in the lead-up to the Jan 8th Announcement between a Remake & Gen VI, so once these two games have been released and people are anticipating the next games I can only assume 90% will be demanding Remakes. I'm hoping that's the way it goes, I would love remakes but I'm looking forward to X & Y right now.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:09 AM
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The fact that X/Y were announced is not trolling. Sure, it may have seemed like R/S remakes were next in line, but they clearly weren't, especially with Game Freak being in the awkward transitory phase between the DS and 3DS even long after the 3DS' release.

I think it would be more accurate to say that remakes come every new console generation, hence there being none in the fifth generation, I'm betting that R/S remakes come out 2014/2015, honestly.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:08 PM
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The trailer was awesome! It took me by suprise especially the names! X and Y.
Couldn't those just be codenames? Not that they aren't cool; they're just very unconventional for the Pokémon series. Weren't 'precious metals' next after 'colors' because of the BW1/2 reset?
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Couldn't those just be codenames? Not that they aren't cool; they're just very unconventional for the Pokémon series. Weren't 'precious metals' next after 'colors' because of the BW1/2 reset?
Pokemon X and Pokemon Y are the official names and the names they will be upon release. Gold/Silver are also "colors" as well as Metals. Gen 2 cannot be called the "Precious metals" generation due to Crystal, which is a mineral. Gen 3 was all Gemstone/Birthstones. Gen 4 was 1 Metal, 1 Inorganic Mineral, and 1 Organic Mineral. Gen 5 were hues as Black and White are not colors themselves. They are known as Tints (lighteners) and Shades (darkeners).

Really other than Gens 2 and 4, there aren't centered themes. And to keep with the discussion, there was no pattern set. They names just happened to come out like that. Yes B/W Reset the Pokemon world, but not the release or other unofficial patterns (almost all of them are broken thanks to B/W so it doesn't matter anyway.)

The Reset was for the Meta Game and the "Pokemon World" in a sense. The Gameplay changed pretty drastically with B/W's addition of 3 new battle formats AND Hidden Abilities, not to mention B2W2's new Breeding system.

Gen 6 is the "Evolution" series as they are to evolve what we have experienced with Pokemon to another level.

With this evolution, its kinda hard to see us going backwards. Only time will tell, but we may have seen the last of Remakes for now. Maybe if they do something completely knew that breaks connection with Gen 5 in Gen 6 we'd be able to expect Gen 3 remakes.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:21 PM
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With this evolution, its kinda hard to see us going backwards. Only time will tell, but we may have seen the last of Remakes for now. Maybe if they do something completely knew that breaks connection with Gen 5 in Gen 6 we'd be able to expect Gen 3 remakes.
I really hope this is the case, or else Gamefreak will have to make remakes of remakes in the future.

Don't see why Hoenn would need a remake, it already started on a decent console like the GBA, unlike GSC which was on the old thing called the *ugh* GB.

I personally thought Gamefreak handled the 5th gen very intelligently. They gave us two games with no old Pokémon before the end of the story mode, and then direct sequels of those games. The absence of remakes was the icing on the cake for a generation that puzzled many people, although, truth be told, 5th gen was more like Generation 4.5 IMO, so remakes were really unlikely to come out during this gen anyway.

If they ever make an RSE remake it will be in 2014 which is the 10th anniversary of Emerald. Not likely, but possible.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 03:21 AM
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I think it's safe to say that they aren't sticking to the 10th anniversary rule, it was a good opportunity for HGSS being the right timing, a new-ish console etc but to put another remake on the same handheld as the previous set of remakes would really go down well IMO.

I think it seems more logical to stick to the new handheld, new remake theory. We had the GBA and soon after we got FRLG, we then had the DS which was followed by HGSS, now that GBA games are incompatible with the 3DS and the fact that the 3DS is considered a new handheld, I think Ruby & Sapphire Remakes would fit in well around the 2014-2015 time slot following Pokemon X & Y. Comparing the GBA graphics with the 3DS graphics is similar to comparing GBC graphics to GBA graphics... they're due for an overhaul.
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