Research: The 4th gen class split in 3rd gen

[shinyabsol1]

Originally Posted by zabimaru1000

Are you sure I'm searching for HEX values? It still says the specified search string was not found even when I did not add 08.

You misunderstand. You don't search for the bytes in the ROM, you goto the specified location. That's where you would remove the 08. So use your hex editor's "goto" function to find the place at which you need to change the bytes.

So for the first one, goto offset 03ED54 and change the bytes there to 80 7A.

[zabimaru1000]

Originally Posted by shinyabsol1

You misunderstand. You don't search for the bytes in the ROM, you goto the specified location. That's where you would remove the 08. So use your hex editor's "goto" function to find the place at which you need to change the bytes.

So for the first one, goto offset 03ED54 and change the bytes there to 80 7A.

Thanks mate. I've got the "go to" part down, but I can't really find the exact bytes I need to change. When I go to 03ED54, I find 0003ED52 instead. Am I supposed to find those exact digits?

EDIT: I've found the exact offset in 0003ED52, I'm at 03ED54 and where do I change the bytes to 80 and 7A? I can only change either 80 or 7A, do I have to change both at one offset?

[shinyabsol1]

Originally Posted by zabimaru1000

Thanks mate. I've got the "go to" part down, but I can't really find the exact bytes I need to change. When I go to 03ED54, I find 0003ED52 instead. Am I supposed to find those exact digits?

EDIT: I've found the exact offset in 0003ED52, I'm at 03ED54 and where do I change the bytes to 80 and 7A? I can only change either 80 or 7A, do I have to change both at one offset?

When you goto 03ED54, the cursor will move to the place where you need to start changing bytes (or it might be highlighted or something depending on what hex editor you're using -- I'm using HxD). From that point,overwrite bytes with the specified bytes (80 7A).

So in an unmodified FR ROM, 03ED54 should take you to an 80 byte, followed by 78 81 46 etc...

So put the 80 7A bytes there. You will end up with 80 7A 81 46 etc...

[zabimaru1000]

Originally Posted by shinyabsol1

When you goto 03ED54, the cursor will move to the place where you need to start changing bytes (or it might be highlighted or something depending on what hex editor you're using -- I'm using HxD). From that point,overwrite bytes with the specified bytes (80 7A).

So in an unmodified FR ROM, 03ED54 should take you to an 80 byte, followed by 78 81 46 etc...

So put the 80 7A bytes there. You will end up with 80 7A 81 46 etc...

Okay, so I've entered all of the bytes. Is that all there is to it? If so, then are the moves in 3rd gen split into Physical and Special moves? Like Shadow Ball is special and Waterfall is physical?

[tajaros]

Originally Posted by zabimaru1000

Okay, so I've entered all of the bytes. Is that all there is to it? If so, then are the moves in 3rd gen split into Physical and Special moves? Like Shadow Ball is special and Waterfall is physical?

No, you have to edit it manually you can use either a hex editor or PGE.

[zabimaru1000]

Originally Posted by tajaros

No, you have to edit it manually you can use either a hex editor or PGE.

So I basically did this on HEX editor and saved it:

0803ED54: 80 7A
0803F226: 00 29
0803F228: 00 D0
0803F38C: 02 2F
0803F38E: 00 DB
0803F394: 01 28
0803F396: 00 D0

I've changed the following bytes. Do I have to manually change the moves I want to Physical/Special? What do I do next?

[shinyabsol1]

Originally Posted by zabimaru1000

I've changed the following bytes. Do I have to manually change the moves I want to Physical/Special? What do I do next?

Like tajaros said, you have to manually edit which moves are physical/special/status with either a hex editor or PGE.

So if you want to use PGE, load your ROM and go to the Attack Editor under the Internal Programs tab. Then, for every move, go through and change the Category to physical/special/status.

[Agastya]

is there a good reason that none of you pointed him towards the physical/special patch posted by doesntknowhowtoplay that actually works instead of turning this thread into a hex editing tutorial if you were just going to say "use pge" when he got to move class?

[zabimaru1000]

I applied the patch. Gyarados' Waterfall became physical, but Dragonite and Gengar's Dragon Claw and Shadow Ball are still special for some reason. I tried the moves on Pokemon with equal and even weaker levels than my team. It took less than half HP even for STAB moves.

[Jambo51]

Originally Posted by zabimaru1000

I applied the patch. Gyarados' Waterfall became physical, but Dragonite and Gengar's Dragon Claw and Shadow Ball are still special for some reason. I tried the moves on Pokemon with equal and even weaker levels than my team. It took less than half HP even for STAB moves.

You need to manually reassign all the moves and their categories. With the patch in place, all moves will be treated as physical, as the patch adds the necessary code to execute the split, but doesn't change the move data itself to recategorise them.

[zabimaru1000]

Originally Posted by Jambo51

You need to manually reassign all the moves and their categories. With the patch in place, all moves will be treated as physical, as the patch adds the necessary code to execute the split, but doesn't change the move data itself to recategorise them.

Do I use HEX Editor or PGE with the patch applied? How do I know if I'm reassigning the moves?

[Jambo51]

You can just use PGE. The move editor (on the internal tools tab) has a drop does box which lets you select the category of the move.

[Noossab Blue]

Originally there was work on a ruby patch for this...is there a working version of that or is it just emerald and firered?

Also, by chance has anyone posted a patch that has the moves changed already?

[LCCoolJ95]

Is this possible in Emerald? I was thinking about making my own Emerald remake, and the use of a real physical special split system would help a lot.

EDIT: Never mind, found it

[11bayerf1]

Does this version of the split also come with the boxes in
the move window on the sprite screen? Or was that exclusively
on Jambo's 649 patch.

[Garuga17]

Originally Posted by 11bayerf1

Does this version of the split also come with the boxes in
the move window on the sprite screen? Or was that exclusively
on Jambo's 649 patch.

yeah, i'm wondering that too, that must be looks cool, anybody know how to do it?

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Darthatron

I want to find a better place to put it. Right now, the image showing if it's physical/special/status appears a frame before the rest of the screen is loaded. :\ I mean, it's not that bad. I just don't love it.

Change these bytes:

@0813A130: 0x2F
@0813A17B: 0x47
@0813A1A0: [Pointer to Routine, plus 1 (one).]

Here's the source:

.align 2
.thumb
Start:
	push {r0-r4}
	ldr r0, .CurMoveIndex
	ldrb r1, [r0]
	lsl r1, r1, #1
	ldr r0, .Move_List
	add r0, r0, r1
	ldrh r3, [r0]
	lsl r0, r3, #1
	add r0, r0, r3
	lsl r0, r0, #2
	ldr r1, .MoveBase
	add r0, r0, r1
	ldrb r4, [r0, #10]
	lsl r0, r4, #1
	add r4, r4, r0
	lsl r4, r4, #6
	
	ldr r0, .SplitImages
	add r0, r4
	ldr r1, .VRAM
	mov r2, #0x30
	swi #0xB
	
	ldr r0, .SplitImages
	add r0, r4
	add r0, #0x60
	ldr r1, .VRAM
	mov r2, #0x1E
	lsl r2, #0x04
	add r1, r1, r2
	mov r2, #0x30
	swi #0xB
	
Finish:
	pop {r0-r4}
	ldr r4, .Some_Offset
	ldr r0, [r4]
	ldr r1, .Return_Addr
	bx r1

.align 2
.MoveBase:		.word 0x08250C04
.CurMoveIndex:	.word 0x0203B16D
.Move_List:		.word 0x02003268

.VRAM:			.word 0x06001800
.SplitImages:	.word 0xYYYYYYYY

.Some_Offset:	.word 0x0203B148
.Return_Addr:	.word 0x0813A17C+1

Change the .SplitImages (0xYYYYYYYY) pointer to where ever you have the images.
The images are uncompressed. And should look like this:
They need to be in this order. Use TileMolester or something to insert them.
They use the same palette as the Types, which is located at 0x08E95DBC in a clean FireRed ROM.

Bump.... How do you insert this into the fire red rom?

[DoesntKnowHowToPlay]

So if you grabbed version 1.3 of the Emerald split from me on the previous page there's a rather subtle bug that you'll need to fix- at x4814E, there is an 00 that should be an 08. This causes the game to treat damage as an address and fails various checks for arbitrary amounts of damage- the main effects are Counter, Rough Skin, and Focus Punch acting as if no damage was dealt.

I've updated the patch I posted, but don't try to fix this bug by just applying 1.4 on top of a ROM with 1.3 as the byte was 08 in vanilla, so it won't work.

[Uikri]

Alright, I'm confused. Out of the countless patches posted, which one(s) do I use, which games do they work for, what bugs are still around, what, if anything, do I have to do after applying the patch, and what do I need to do so? Can I run a patched ROM through pokehacks(DOT)dabomstew(DOT)com(SLASH)randomizer(SLASH)acks(DOT)php to randomize and have the Phys/Spec split at the same time? Also, which program should I use to apply the patch? The only one I know of is LunarIPS, but my copy of that is bound to be ancient and outdated, and I've no idea if Lunar can do GBA patches.

[nyczxjay]

So after I apply DoesntKnowHowToPlay's patch to the ROM, I just use PGE Attack Editor and simply toggle all the moves as Physical/Special/Status? I'm not adding any new moves at the moment into the game so I can just leave the "Effect Table" as 0 right?

EDIT: One more question just as a confirmation: The patch also adds the Sandstorm Sp. Def boost into the game as well right?

[Uzumaki Naruto Jr.]

Okay, I want to use this patch, but I would like to know if the previously stated bugs are in it, like electric/fire moves restarting the game, etc. If yes, then I might not use the patch. And is this patch already have moves pre-set to if they are physical or special. Also, is this compatible with FireRed. And where do I get a updated download link, or is the download link provided int he first post updated.. Thanks. =3