Never say never... except when describing NeverUsed! [NU Discussion] (PotF #2 posted)

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Red_Star_Chris

I personally don't call these Pokemon NU (Neverused). I think NOU (Not Often Used) suits them better. Don't you agree?

Not really, given that NeverUsed is what it's officially called according to Smogon :( It's true that your description is accurate but I'd much prefer calling it NeverUsed given that it's the official name. However, as this thread is for discussing stuff in the tier - how often do you play NU/what are your thoughts of it? :)

Originally Posted by RandomTrainerWhoCould

lol. And that will be the entire message

Cacturne is a "high risk- high reward poke". Its offensive stats are unrivaled, but its bulk is ****. You need to predict and get it in on a double or get it in after something died. It can't take hits for crap(even against psychics), but if you do manage to get it in safely, and you are good at predicting, then IT WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN. You can also lead w/ it because it makes an excellent check to lead golems because of bullet seed. Treat it as something like Deoxys-Attack(except cacturne's bulk is not that terrible). It's meant to be an OFFENSIVE spiker, but if you want a DEFENSIVE spiker, use Garbordor

lol good at predicting and bad player doesn't add up tho. ;( So no not always good. Also it can play offensively too and not just as a spiker!!

Also idts, it's obvious that it'd have something to take down Golem, like with Cinccino. I'd rather use Fraxure (which I have been using), with CB and Aqua Tail to take down Golem with Mold Breaker, defeat Probopass and Bastiodon w/ Superpower, so p good.

[RandomTrainerWhoCould]

Yes cacturne can be a p good wallbreaker or even a sweeper, but shifty is a better sweeper because of nature power and better speed(I used to use shifty, it's so cool :]) Too bad cacturne didn't get leaf storm, if it did it would've been a good mixed attacker, simar to MIXMENCE. And yeah the NFE dragons are pretty underused, and cb fraxure is really cool, too bad it has bad bulk without Eviolite.

[Forever]

HELLO PEOPLE I HAVE TERRIBLE NEWS.

Amoonguss, Emboar, Snover, Cinccino and Absol are GONE. From NeverUsed, that is. WHAT WILL WE EVER DO? But ya, feel free to discuss how you think this will change EVERYTHING without them and if it affects you etc, I shall update the first post later okay??

Oh and I'll post POTF later, toooo.

[Tackle]

They're gone? That's terrible news. =(
My NeverUsed team without them... Oww...

But I might find some Pokémon instead of them.

[Forever]

Well the Smogon server isn't updated yet and my team is catered to what the new metagame will be, and because of that I'm glad Absol/Amoonguss are gone actually lmao. I miss Emboar but Amoonguss I'm okay with it being gone.

Also considering using four dark moves Skuntank idk. :( Considering MUSHARNA and all.

[RandomTrainerWhoCould]

Good thing they're gone because I don't use any of them and they're annoying :]
YES YOU'RE FINALLY USING FOUR DARK MOVES SKUNTANK DO IT POISON JAB SUCKS. Oh, use spooky plate as well! Crunch 2hkos musharna after spooky plate and it doesn't 2hko with lefties :]

[Zeffy]

No woohoo Spooky Plate doesn't boost Dark-type moves what are you talking about. It's Dread plate fool! But yeah, Dread Plate > Black Sludge since Musharna's are idek. I'm actually indifferent about the Pokemon that moved up. I don't use them, they're pretty annoying at times, but really idc. My teams can handle them and I guess without Amoonguss we can only worry about the less-accurate Sleep Powder (which a lot of NU grass-types run iirc). NU gets Roselia and Stoutland, not quite sure about the latter but I guess TSpikes and Spikes will be more common now due to Roselia.

Also lmao Snover moved up.

[RandomTrainerWhoCould]

Stoutland? o.0
you can't be serious smogon, STOUTLAND MOVED TO NU? It used to be one of the best sand sweepers in OU ever since the mighty excadrill moved to ubers, and now it's NU.
*speechless*

[Forever]

At least people might try it out for a while. Roselia though will probably be used quite a bit tbh, hopefully not just to replace Amoonguss though. As for replacements, it's hard as far as fire-types are concerned. There's just not that much really "great" compared to Emboar, but imma use Camerupt again for a while given that Tangela, Roselia, Vileplume and Cacturne will "maybe" increase in usage, plus it can also use Earth Power on Skuntank too. :3

Nevertheless,

Pokemon of the fortnight #2: 5/1/13 - 19/1/13


This Pokemon is able to scare Ludicolo off, with a great STAB in Air Slash, and can recover with the expected Surf or Hydro Pump, while for Samurott it can take on the special sets while the physical sets can do very little back to it, given that it resists Megahorn! While those water types aren't going to be as big now with the coming psychic-domination, they're still things you should prepare for in your teams, and Mantine can be something that can fill that spot. Now due to that, discussion should be based around this Pokemon/success with it, flaws with it and so on for the next two weeks, while you may still discuss other things. Feel free to also try it out and battle with it, and fully get to know the benefits it can have in this metagame. Soooo, discuss!

[Miss Doronjo]

Mantine can be quite the special sponge beast - I mean, yeah, it's a great check to Ludicolo, and it has other properties too, like, special sweeper (I've seen one with choice specs w/ Hidden Power Fire or.. I think it was Flying, and it was AMAZING). Well, of course, it's typing can be tricky to work with - it's also a flying type, so you can't switch it in against rock users like Regirock, Golurk, Golem, or I dunno, Relicanth? So chalantly. Plus it's weak to SR, so, maybe you'd have to work it between switching it in water users. (but I'd watch out for toxic though, unless maybe it can utalize a rest/sleep talk moveset?).

[Zeffy]

imo the only thing that's holding back people from using Mantine is the stealth rock weakness, given there's not much spinners in NU :(

[shnen2]

I'd say that its bad movepool is also a big factor: relying on restalk is a killer with this gen's sleep rules, and even it's in it can't really do too much other than hoping to burn something with scald or do some damage with air slash (or toxic I suppose) - it's really crying out for some of its cousin's (skarm that is) moves, i.e. spikes and roost.


then again an offensive rain dance set is also viable, but that is more hindered by its weak Special Attack and the presence of competitors. It's still a very good set though, give it a shot


oh and I like this idea of potf nica

[Miss Doronjo]

Sooooo the new statistics from smogon are up:

The top 15

Spoiler:

1 | Sawk | 17.78465% | 19339 | 15.146% | 15203 | 14.564% |
| 2 | Golurk | 16.84148% | 19313 | 15.125% | 16852 | 16.144% |
| 3 | Gardevoir | 14.92398% | 17715 | 13.874% | 13974 | 13.387% |
| 4 | Alomomola | 13.53445% | 16299 | 12.765% | 13115 | 12.564% |
| 5 | Musharna | 12.28431% | 12719 | 9.961% | 9871 | 9.456% |
| 6 | Braviary | 12.13323% | 14317 | 11.212% | 11206 | 10.735% |
| 7 | Skuntank | 11.88707% | 12653 | 9.909% | 10124 | 9.699% |
| 8 | Ludicolo | 11.73000% | 13035 | 10.208% | 10531 | 10.089% |
| 9 | Armaldo | 11.52568% | 14678 | 11.495% | 12435 | 11.913% |
| 10 | Samurott | 9.38705% | 10210 | 7.996% | 8146 | 7.804% |
| 11 | Haunter | 8.94716% | 10630 | 8.325% | 8272 | 7.925% |
| 12 | Miltank | 8.94473% | 11110 | 8.701% | 9131 | 8.747% |
| 13 | Golem | 8.36428% | 9634 | 7.545% | 8902 | 8.528% |
| 14 | Zangoose | 8.22367% | 10099 | 7.909% | 7674 | 7.352% |
| 15 | Charizard | 8.21628% | 11686 | 9.152% | 9303 | 8.912% |